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Yeah, there are many genres either not represented on Nintendo handhelds or very, very poorly represented. If you don't like Japanese or Nintendo games, there's no real reason to pick one up.

Both of you are utterly mental.
Also I didn't know 'Japanese' was a genre - but sure!

The only genre not really backed is FPS, and even then theres a number on the DS.
Other than that the DS probably has the widest reach and variety of any console.
 
Both of you are utterly mental.
Also I didn't know 'Japanese' was a genre - but sure!

The only genre not really backed is FPS, and even then theres a number on the DS.
Other than that the DS probably has the widest reach and variety of any console.

FPS, sports, racing, 3D action adventure, etc.
 
Both of you are utterly mental.
Also I didn't know 'Japanese' was a genre - but sure!

The only genre not really backed is FPS, and even then theres a number on the DS.
Other than that the DS probably has the widest reach and variety of any console.

I'm not calling "Japanese" a genre but whatever. Hack-and-slashes, action-adventure and sandbox games, RTS games, various WRPGs, SHMUPs, stealth games, cover shooters, and any racing sub-genre that doesn't have karts in them... the DS lacked quite a bit.
 
FPS, TPS, Sim Racers, RTS, WRPG

Even stuff like Sports games aren't well represented IMO. Online play is also not as prevalent as it could be.

And I would say that the PS2 had the widest variety in genres of any console.
 
oh for sure, never probably lol. it's not really tomb raider i was speaking to... just, changing the general attitude of the aging corporate to be more progressive and open minded.

If the aging corporate thinks that allowing the player to rape somebody in a game is different than seeing it portrayed in a film then I believe perhaps that aging corporate isn't the one whose attitude needs to be more progressive and open minded.

It clearly is different and anybody with any level of corporate responsibility has to carefully consider such things if they want to market their products in America.

An AO rating is still a death sentence in the US market.

If you think such portrayals don't merit an AO rating I'd say your beef is with the ESRB.
 
"Nintendo knows its target audience, because it has really narrowed that down; and itÂ’s pretty much defined by a boy or girlÂ’s ability to admire Pokemon."


the legendary Phil Harrison
 
It's funny seeing what sticks in public consciousness. Sony really is bad at PR, they've had some terrible quotes over the years. Nintendo has some silly, but not quite as outright hostile quotes (usually just puffy). 360 seems lower on the totem pole. Less characters sadly.
 
TPS are on there, FPS in some forms; but I won't shout about any (personally I thought Hunters was great and Renegade Kid did some greats); Real Time Strategy is something I would love for, but it was never to be - but turn based is there.
 
So I guess this topic is now "people justifying not owning a DS by being oblivious to it's library"
I owned a DS since the launch of the DS Lite up until 3DS launch. How about you tell us how some of the genres listed on this page were well represented on the DS.
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Same applies to the 3DS, tons of gamers can easily overlook it if it so your original statement was unfounded.
 
I'm surprised no-one's mentioned Tretton's 'the 3DS is a babysitting tool' remark.

Also regarding the whole DS/3DS and being a 'gamer' discussion. IMO the DS has the best lineup of any platform and the 3DS is shaping up a very good platform as well. The PS2 is really the only platform I consider even rivalling both the DS' quantity and quality of games. While I would never disregard someone's right to be a 'gamer' if they don't own a DS/3DS and certainly wouldn't ask what is wrong with them, but due to the fact that it has so many fantastic games from every genre (except WRPGs and RTS) I would be very surprised if someone who enjoys gaming enough to watch a internet broadcast by the head of a US branch of a Japanese company doesn't own either of them (same with PSX and PS2)..
 
TPS are on there, FPS in some forms; but I won't shout about any (personally I thought Hunters was great and Renegade Kid did some greats); Real Time Strategy is something I would love for, but it was never to be - but turn based is there.
You were the one calling us utterly mental and when we name some genres not well represented and that's the best you can come up with? In some form?

Face it, not all genres were there. No shame in that.
 
There really is not a gaping whole in the DS library.
Compared to any console I just don't think its something worth complaining about.

Those genres are on the DS. Is this a problem for you?

What is it with you guys and selective quoting?

The original statement is that some genres are not well represented on either the DS or 3DS. Do you deny that?
 
The original statement is that some genres are not well represented on either the DS or 3DS. Do you deny that?

For some very specific genres? Your right, there are other systems.
But thats only if you only like one genre, otherwise the DS/3DS is a great investment, you will find something that is one of the very best of its genre's.

RTS? No, but you'll find some fantastic strategy games - Days of Ruin for example.
 
I'll never understand why the DS library is so incredibly overrated on GAF. It's good for a handheld, but yes, there are lots of types of games and even whole genres that are completely missing.
 
I'll never understand why the DS library is so incredibly overrated on GAF. It's good for a handheld, but yes, there are lots of types of games and even whole genres that are completely missing.

All gaming devices are better and worse represented in specific genres.
The DS just has a better spread of decent coverage than anything except a PC with emulation being included in its available titles.
 
For some very specific genres? Your right, there are other systems.
But thats only if you only like one genre, otherwise the DS/3DS is a great investment, you will find something that is one of the very best of its genre's.

RTS? No, but you'll find some fantastic strategy games - Days of Ruin for example.
It's not just RTS games though, it's WRPG, Sim Racers, Sand box, online multiplayer shooters, TPS and even some sports games. Online play in general was also lacking. Saying some genres were represented "in some form" is also not the same thing as well represented.

Utterly mental? I think not.
 
Jack Trentons thoughts on fans reaction to certain PS2 and PS1 games having problems being played on early PS3's:

"I would like my car to fly and make me breakfast, but thatÂ’s an unrealistic expectation"

:/
 
"We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games. That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version," John Carmack
 
Geeeeeezz start a new topic or something to proceed with the DS talk? Ugh

The "things break" explanation for the RROD fiasco still cracks me up, I know things break.. But in a matter of months?
 
It's not just RTS games though, it's WRPG, Sim Racers, Sand box, online multiplayer shooters, TPS and even some sports games. Online play in general was also lacking. Saying some genres were represented "in some form" is also not the same thing as well represented.

Utterly mental? I think not.

Online multiplayer shooters are not a genre; but there is Kid Icarus and then RE co-op.
Third Person Shooters are on both.

WRPG isn't something I know enough about or what counts as WRPG; but the RPG list is long ofc. Aren't they just...western produced...rpg's?


Online play? Its a handheld. There is online anyway.
 
Online multiplayer shooters are not a genre; but there is Kid Icarus and then RE co-op.
Third Person Shooters are on both.

WRPG isn't something I know enough about or what counts as WRPG; but the RPG list is long ofc. Aren't they just...western produced...rpg's?


Online play? Its a handheld. There is online anyway.


I'm starting to think you're being obtuse on purpose. How many times do I have to bring up "well represented" as an argument to some people not owning the DS or 3DS, which another poster stated was reason enough to question someone's gamer credentials.

And before you call anyone "utterly mental" you might want to educate yourself about some genres.

And "online play? It's a handheld, anyway there was online". Is that supposed to be some kind of response to the argument?
 
Ian Livingstone, 62 year old president of Eidos Life regarding Tomb Raider sexual content


http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-27-livingstone-tomb-raider-reaction-quite-extreme


A reminder that some old people still don't understand the narrative power and freedom of video games as a progressive art form, and some of these old people are still in control of many publishers, thus limiting the range of the art form.

These people with outdated ideas need to be ousted from their positions so the art form can progress and mature and tackle issues of varying weight and importance.

boooooo to you

This isn't a soapbox thread get off it
 
So I guess this topic is now "people justifying not owning a DS by being oblivious to it's library"

Or maybe those people simply *gasp* don't find DS interesting enough to buy it, don't have time to play on yet another platform, already have a huge backlog, don't really play outside their homes and don't want to play on a tiny screen at home...?

And what's with the justifying thing? Why should I even justify not owning a certain console?
 
And before you call anyone "utterly mental" you might want to educate yourself about some genres.

Its a phrase...thats not even about knowledge...okalydokely!

And "online play? It's a handheld, anyway there was online". Is that supposed to be some kind of response to the argument?

Its suppose to say I don't really care.

PS: The 'gamer' thing wasn't made by me, I was simply pointing out my own feelings on the DS.
 
I'll never understand why the DS library is so incredibly overrated on GAF. It's good for a handheld, but yes, there are lots of types of games and even whole genres that are completely missing.

If you like dungeon crawlers or graphic adventures, owning one is practically mandatory.

Same like SRPGs and traditional RPGs with the PSP.
 
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The gif is better than the quote.
 
"We do not see the PC as the leading platform for games. That statement will enrage some people, but it is hard to characterize it otherwise; both console versions will have larger audiences than the PC version," John Carmack

Carmack has crushed my heart a few times this gen. I remember him even saying there wont be new quake arena like games because they are terrible on console controllers. If its not on a console controller than it cant be AAA.

Fuck AAA and console controls.. I want fun games damnit. Its like developers have totally forgoten the point.
 
If the aging corporate thinks that allowing the player to rape somebody in a game is different than seeing it portrayed in a film then I believe perhaps that aging corporate isn't the one whose attitude needs to be more progressive and open minded.

It clearly is different and anybody with any level of corporate responsibility has to carefully consider such things if they want to market their products in America.

An AO rating is still a death sentence in the US market.

If you think such portrayals don't merit an AO rating I'd say your beef is with the ESRB.

it's a discussion for another time for sure, but that quote from the Eidos Suit just hit me hard after last years United States Supreme Court Decision threw out some thought provoking and encouraging ideas,

excerpt from current United States Law:
"Video games qualify for First Amendment protection. Like protected books, plays, and movies, they communicate ideas through familiar literary devices and features distinctive to the medium. And “the basic principles of freedom of speech . . . do not vary” with a new and different communication medium."

so, it's just a shame to see such a restrictive ceiling on the medium right now coming not from the government, but within the industry. i understand the market, but i'm asking for the market to change lol. esrb, devs, pubs, retailers, and audience... they should all accept and encourage difficult subject matter. we never know what games can do until we try.

but anyway...
do you ever wonder what the bottom of an avatar's shoe looks like? (if that counts, the introduction to kinect was marred with gaffes lol)


boooooo to you

This isn't a soapbox thread get off it

lol just saw this, double sorry.
i'm done. but hey i put a quote and gave reasoning.
 
The quote where the guy said he wouldn't hire anyone who didn't have at least 20,000 gamerscore is probably my pick for dumbest.

Worst quote ever is when Stolar said, "The Saturn is not in our future."
 
The quote where the guy said he wouldn't hire anyone who didn't have at least 20,000 gamerscore is probably my pick for dumbest.

Worst quote ever is when Stolar said, "The Saturn is not in our future."

Who said hiring people based on gamerscore?

I know this is apparently a minority opinion but achievements have harmed games in a way that cannot be repaired.
 
Its basically listing all the games available, MGS3 isn't very good based on the demo I played; but I think if you have the circle pad pro its...playable.

Much like any system you'll have to read up on games and whether their for you; if your just starting out, theres enough content across the DS/3DS to make the purchase well worth it imo; start of with one or two games and grow from there.

OOT/Kid Icarus/Mario 3D Land/Resident Evil Revelations are all great choices for 'starting out'.

Thanks. My friend is going to let me borrow their DS as they have a 3DS, and I'm going to give Pokeman: Black a shot to see if I'll play the thing enough to warrant a purchase. I'm excited to finally play a portable and a Pokemon game again!
 
I also would say that.

You see it's not really the point of agreeing with the statement or not, but it's more relative to the fact that maybe you can see it from his perspective.

I will never play games on an iOS device and therefore putting that into your line of thought wouldn't make sense to me. I can live perfectly fine without iOS games. My options are vast and I prefer my games on other devices. So while I don't agree saying "what's wrong with you" just because you don't have a DS, I can at least understand where he is coming from to be irrated by such a dumb quote from Reggie.
 
"Cybertron is an all metal world, so you're going to see a lot more metal than any other game you'll play this year" - Transformers: Fall of Cybertron developer during an E3 demo.
 
Can that "etc" include a random gaffer? If so:

"If you call yourself a gamer and don't have a DS or 3DS yet (which is where that came from) that's a pretty damn valid question." (Referring to "What's wrong with you?")

It is a valid question. Along with the indie scene, it's pretty much the only place you can go for some originality nowadays. No wonder so many people on here seem convinced that Japanese gaming is dead.
 
If you call yourself a gamer and don't have a DS or 3DS yet (which is where that came from) that's a pretty damn valid question.

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If this isn't sarcasm I'm in awe.

Some people either aren't interested in the damn thing nor do people have spare money to invest in yet another console/handheld. You are officially a Nintendo Scout, be proud I guess.
 
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