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Jaffe on GOW3 - "Looks like a painting come to life"
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DeathbyVolcano
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Kintaro said:
Err, Jaffe?
BrandNew said:
Maybe they did, at least graphically. You don't know anything at all about GOW3's development history, you don't know when this teaser was put together, you don't know what the final product will look like:
The bottom line is: You're complaining about the failure to live up to an abstract description of a game as a "painting come to life" based on about 10-15 seconds of a teaser which the description apparently doesn't apply to. Why? :/
Please don't expect to be able to do that kind of stuff in-game, or "free-form" as you call it. God of War has never had any of that kind of combat in the game, it is more about button presses to form combos and the animations that fleshed out those combos. Anything that looks that cool would have to be QTE, I can't say 100% obviously but I'm trying to be realistic. I think the most complex shit I've seen in an action game would be Ninja Gaiden, and God of War is quite different.TheExodu5 said:
About the frame rate, if it is not 60fps, I will be hugely disappointed. I hope it's unrealistic to expect 720p@60fps when it has been done and this is one of the best studios in the world, and this is possibly 3+ years into the PS3's life. Also considering this is an action game where animations are key.
I bet if any of you guys showed this to your buddies that play games, but don't argue on message boards, they would be blown away (that is if they don't hate God of War or action games in general).
DeathbyVolcano
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EschatonDX said:
Because it was a ridiculous statement to make in the beginning. IT LOOKS LIKE GOD OF WAR ON PS3 is all I would say.
Schrade
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Wat.Ploid 3.0 said:
Killzone 2 has always looked fuck-awesome as long as the video/images were not overcompressed. The fact that it looks better now is a good sign for God of War 3 since that will get a polishing just like Killzone 2 got its polishing.
God of War 3 needs some better textures and perhaps some additional shaders and it should be fine. All I'm saying is the footage isn't drop-a-shit impressive yet.
Guys attempting to troll this game or ridicule Jaffe somehow conveniently didn't hear when Jaffe said, "The footage that looks like a painting isn't what they're showing. However, it still does look very good."
And guess what, the footage does look very good.
This same phenomena existed in God of War 2. Some of the normal fights looked pretty good, but not mindblowing, such as this scene:
And then you had scenes like this or especially Atlas that were mindblowing for the time:
It's obvious we haven't seen the more well-crafted portions of the game, yet we'll still have several here try and take liberties and say "LOLS JAFFE STUPID JAFFE, WHERE'S THE PAINTING?"
And guess what, the footage does look very good.
This same phenomena existed in God of War 2. Some of the normal fights looked pretty good, but not mindblowing, such as this scene:
And then you had scenes like this or especially Atlas that were mindblowing for the time:
It's obvious we haven't seen the more well-crafted portions of the game, yet we'll still have several here try and take liberties and say "LOLS JAFFE STUPID JAFFE, WHERE'S THE PAINTING?"
H.Cornerstone
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Raist said:
No kidding, this game probably won't come out till March of 2010 at the earliest. We have a long way to go.
Stumpokapow said:
Sums up my thoughts exactly. Ignoring other systems, I wouldn't even put this in the top 5 PS3 games visually - stuff like KZ2, Heavy Rain, MGS4, and Uncharted (1&2) all look much better to me. This footage looks more on the level of DMC4's graphics. It's not bad, just a bit underwhelming especially considering the pedigree of the franchise.
Still early yet though so I'm sure the final product will look quite a bit better.
UntoldDreams
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Guys... Let it go. And I mean that for the few sane people in the thread.
Really... For all intents and purposes Killzone2 has delivered "a lot". Honestly? Far more than anyone thought possible. And yet most Killzone2 threads are just a big ugly System War filled with people complaining and defending.
God of War 3 will be trolled ridiculously no matter how well it delivers (or fails to deliver) as has already been proven by the various threads on Killzone 2 (which DID deliver).
The only proper response to someone who is trolling or wearing such hate filled eye goggles that they can't let it go... is this:
"You are entitled to your opinion though I think you are really REALLY off base."
Trust me you'll have a happier life.
Really... For all intents and purposes Killzone2 has delivered "a lot". Honestly? Far more than anyone thought possible. And yet most Killzone2 threads are just a big ugly System War filled with people complaining and defending.
God of War 3 will be trolled ridiculously no matter how well it delivers (or fails to deliver) as has already been proven by the various threads on Killzone 2 (which DID deliver).
The only proper response to someone who is trolling or wearing such hate filled eye goggles that they can't let it go... is this:
"You are entitled to your opinion though I think you are really REALLY off base."
Trust me you'll have a happier life.
DeathbyVolcano
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Whatever, you guys won't even admit anything. I'll play the game when it comes out and I'll love it. Jesus christ
Boss Man
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I think a lot of defenders are getting the wrong impression.
I will probably be there day one for God of War 3, enjoy every minute of it, and lick its shiny underbelly. The footage I saw today was just...not impressive. It didn't live up to the expectations I had both from the previous two games and Jaffe's remark.
Really high expectations, decent delivery. It's not like there's no way it'll look better by the time it releases... The only two things that caught my eye were the entrails when he tore that big group apart and the animation when Kratos was running up the wall. The former is sort of a technical achievement, but the latter just looks fun. It looks like an HD version of God of War 2 to me. Maybe it's simply the art direction that's holding it back, because I feel the same way visually about this as I did about Halo 2 -> Halo 3.
Seeing some movement on Kratos might have helped. Some clothes/jewelry bouncing around would have added a lot I think. I can see where the "dull" comment was coming from. The game looks great, but I can see how it's dull visually. There's not enough...life to it.
I will probably be there day one for God of War 3, enjoy every minute of it, and lick its shiny underbelly. The footage I saw today was just...not impressive. It didn't live up to the expectations I had both from the previous two games and Jaffe's remark.
Really high expectations, decent delivery. It's not like there's no way it'll look better by the time it releases... The only two things that caught my eye were the entrails when he tore that big group apart and the animation when Kratos was running up the wall. The former is sort of a technical achievement, but the latter just looks fun. It looks like an HD version of God of War 2 to me. Maybe it's simply the art direction that's holding it back, because I feel the same way visually about this as I did about Halo 2 -> Halo 3.
Seeing some movement on Kratos might have helped. Some clothes/jewelry bouncing around would have added a lot I think. I can see where the "dull" comment was coming from. The game looks great, but I can see how it's dull visually. There's not enough...life to it.
I'm guessing that Jaffe saw the most up to date form of the engine they are using, and that this is using an early build. I really hope that this is the case, because I was expecting at least KZ2 quality, not to say that this looks bad. I was expecting more from Santa Monica is all. Please say that you saw the most up to date engine of this game, David. Please.
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
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BrandNew said:
Jaffe said parts of the game "look like a painting come to life", he then said they wouldnt be showing those parts......... constitutes hyping to no end? c'mon guy, your trying to hard.
artredis1980
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anddo0 said:
but graphics dont change
akachan ningen
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Truant said:
Here it came, you mean. He said that a few days ago.
Callibretto
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artredis1980 said:but graphics dont change
yeah.. but setpieces do change. are people ignoring what kevm3 posted? I think he's spot on, and he even provide pictures.
normal encounter don't look super impressive even in GoW2. the set pieces are what we all love about GoW series. when they xoomed out the camera where you can see the really amazing background, or giant boss battle like Hyda and giant statue.
now in GoW3, even the normal encounter already look really really good with imo very impressive lighting. if that's not enough for you, at least wait until they show their signature setpieces like the first boss battle or some zoomed out environment stuff.
EatChildren
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I don't see how its unfair or trolling to be a little bit disappointed by the graphical presentation.
Sure, it looks really quite nice, but when compared to the likes of God of War 2 it's really not the leap some people were probably hoping for. GoW2 is such a fucking amazing looking game for the PS2 that it seemed to be really pushing the system. Easily one of the best looking titles for that platform.
So you've got the foundations of a franchise that is renounded for looking absolutely gorgeous, and the original creator claiming that God of War 3 blows away Gears of War 2 on a visual level.
GoW3 undoubtedly looks great, will no doubt look even better as development progresses, and Jaffe claims the footage he saw was not show, but come on; what we're seeing is a game that visually doesn't look any more impressive than GeoW2, at least in my opinion.
It looks great, but its not the "OH MY CHRIST HOLY SHIT" mind-blown visual impact many of us expected, even if our expectations were foolish.
Sure, it looks really quite nice, but when compared to the likes of God of War 2 it's really not the leap some people were probably hoping for. GoW2 is such a fucking amazing looking game for the PS2 that it seemed to be really pushing the system. Easily one of the best looking titles for that platform.
So you've got the foundations of a franchise that is renounded for looking absolutely gorgeous, and the original creator claiming that God of War 3 blows away Gears of War 2 on a visual level.
GoW3 undoubtedly looks great, will no doubt look even better as development progresses, and Jaffe claims the footage he saw was not show, but come on; what we're seeing is a game that visually doesn't look any more impressive than GeoW2, at least in my opinion.
It looks great, but its not the "OH MY CHRIST HOLY SHIT" mind-blown visual impact many of us expected, even if our expectations were foolish.
I see no reason to doubt Jaffe in this case. His initial comment of "looking like a painting" was made before it was announced that GOW3 would be at the VGAs. He made the comment of "that's not what I saw" prior to the actual VGA footage. If he's privy to the VGA footage before the VGA's, then there's no reason to believe that he wasn't also able to see more than that.
I'd like if the bags-of-shit people could explain exactly what objective standard "painting" references. Starry Night is a painting. So is The Scream. And so is Der Blaue Reiter. And so is a brown square I made by wiping a random brush on a piece of paper. What is this crap about "O IT IS NOT A PAINTING". You're so stupid.
I'm really impressed with how they showed in game footage and all we've seen were pretty much encounters with normal enemies.
I wasn't blown away, but the fights with the normal enemies are typically the blandest looking parts of the God of War games... and even those looked very good. Look at how smooth the animation is. The self-shadowing is also amazing.
Awesome lighting.
I wasn't blown away, but the fights with the normal enemies are typically the blandest looking parts of the God of War games... and even those looked very good. Look at how smooth the animation is. The self-shadowing is also amazing.
Awesome lighting.
Lion Heart
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Its tremendous how people think graphics make or break a game. Just imagine the epic shit you will be going through in this game...the set pieces...nothing but epic.
UntoldDreams
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The problem (or maybe not a problem just human behavior) is that it is enjoyable to have deviant behavior about things for many people. Its what some people enjoy.
1) Some people want to raise a point of concern genuinely
2) Some people simply like to argue and debate on any topic
3) Some people feel better complaining about things... adding "value" by bitching
--Some cavemen feel its their Civic Duty (someone actually said this to me earlier)
4) Other people feel good by making other people angry or upset
5) And some people want to "p0wn" others to feel better about themselves
Of all those categories listed... Only #1 is a guy worth talking to because everyone else is simply trying to make themselves feel good by wasting your time.
So try to understand what someone is really saying. If they are anything other than Category#1 above... You "lose" by spending any time with them.
Wasting your time to feel better (or have fun) is their objective.
Don't waste your time. Disagree politely and move on.
1) Some people want to raise a point of concern genuinely
2) Some people simply like to argue and debate on any topic
3) Some people feel better complaining about things... adding "value" by bitching
--Some cavemen feel its their Civic Duty (someone actually said this to me earlier)
4) Other people feel good by making other people angry or upset
5) And some people want to "p0wn" others to feel better about themselves
Of all those categories listed... Only #1 is a guy worth talking to because everyone else is simply trying to make themselves feel good by wasting your time.
So try to understand what someone is really saying. If they are anything other than Category#1 above... You "lose" by spending any time with them.
Wasting your time to feel better (or have fun) is their objective.
Don't waste your time. Disagree politely and move on.
Revolutionary
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jesus christ...aerofx said:
are you people purposely ignoring the fact that Jaffe said LAST WEEK that the Spike trailer wasn't what he was referring to or what?
Nathan Rain
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I'm not going to come in here and make some stupid post about how this game won't live up to expectations, or that God Of War isn't one of the greatest action franchises to ever hit gaming...because those would be lies. It absolutely will be great and GOW is an incredible franchise.
That being said, this clip was below expectation, below technological innovation (between two gens) and quite frankly; was no where near what I was expecting for a reveal, especially after hearing Jaffe's fanboyistic exclamation of "OMGWTFITSAMAZING" later retracting it because the footage was either doctored or he had shot a load and needed to get out of the sight of the camera to clean himself off.
Either way, it just was not that great of footage, but I have no doubts that Sony will pull it off, and I can't wait to see more.
That being said, this clip was below expectation, below technological innovation (between two gens) and quite frankly; was no where near what I was expecting for a reveal, especially after hearing Jaffe's fanboyistic exclamation of "OMGWTFITSAMAZING" later retracting it because the footage was either doctored or he had shot a load and needed to get out of the sight of the camera to clean himself off.
Either way, it just was not that great of footage, but I have no doubts that Sony will pull it off, and I can't wait to see more.
Future PhaZe
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Wasn't to impressed by the footage on any level. Pretty much the same gameplay stuff we're used to seeing, and the graphics are about what I expected.
Probably has to do with me being completely burnt out on the series lately though after having played through both games in the last year.
Probably has to do with me being completely burnt out on the series lately though after having played through both games in the last year.
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