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[The Stealth Fox]

Honestly, this sounds really fake.

 

[jett]

Atheist lol. The epitome of stupid people. I gauge them right there with people who follow a religion.

agnostics ftw.

 

[PhlegmMaster]

Color me skeptical. First, that Cameron is making this documentary. Second, about his claims.

Still, this might be interesting. I disagree that this turn of events (if Cameron does have any evidence) won't have any effect on Christians. Some of them aren't entirely stupid, and others haven't been indoctrinated too badly, and are only Christians out of habit. Some of them might stop believing.

The truly devout believers probably won't be affected, of course. As always, the fundies will simply deny the evidence. The moderates will alter their beliefs slighty ("Jesus DID come back to life... but only spiritually!"). You can't break people out of a delusion with evidence.








EverSoTrendy,

Don't be an idiot. Thanks.

 

[happyfunball]

Atheist lol. The epitome of stupid people. I gauge them right there with people who follow a religion.

Exactly, with all the evidence out there for some crazy supernatural being, they gotta be some kind of idiots.

 

[DaMan121]

agnostics ftw.

Hmm.. Abrahamic religions make claims about the REAL world that are flat out untrue, heck LIES, which leads to the wonderfull world of theology - twisting the text to make them fit given new discoveries. Agnostic about an undefined, unknowable, controller of the universe? Fine. Agnostic on ridiculous claims from over 2000 years ago? Cognitive dissonance.

 

[Oldschoolgamer]

Atheist lol. The epitome of stupid people. I gauge them right there with people who follow a religion.

lol

Won't this be the umpteenth time that someone has found "the tomb of jesus", said that they had "DNA evidence", and tried to support their side with it? I can almost remember seeing something on tv when I was a kid, talking about how they pushed over random boulder A, found a piece of cloth, and said they had DNA evidence that it belonged to Christ.

LOL @ the first sentence of the article. It makes it seems like they are starting a speech at some type of religion hate seminar.

 

[Beezy]

EverSoTrendy,

Don't be an idiot. Thanks.

Exactly, with all the evidence out there for some crazy supernatural being, they gotta be some kind of idiots.

Seems like some feelings have successfully been hurt.

 

[MaddenNFL64]

To me, all religions, and the various deities connected to them are bullshit, but people can believe whatever they want. Live & let live.

 

[qcf x2]

As always, the fundies will simply deny the evidence.

What evidence? The bogus DNA testing that will prove that the tomb contains the remains of a person? :lol Don't be an idiot.

 

[Comfort_Eagle]

If only we could get rid of Christianity, man would the world be better. Sadly, the people that believe in that bullshit wouldn't actually follow reason anyway. They are far too ****ed up for that.

 

[Ulairi]

If only we could get rid of Christianity, man would the world be better. Sadly, the people that believe in that bullshit wouldn't actually follow reason anyway. They are far too ****ed up for that.

How does it feel to be so open minded and accepting of other peoples view points?

 

[Chiggs]

If only we could get rid of Christianity, man would the world be better. Sadly, the people that believe in that bullshit wouldn't actually follow reason anyway. They are far too ****ed up for that.

I agree with you. Time to dump the training wheels, humanity.

 

[Wollan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbDUKYfrkF4

Edit: Arg, beaten.

 

[unifin]

Come on, terrene. You don't think it's proper to have healthy skepticism about Mr. King of the World finding the King of Kings and being able to prove the veracity of his claim? How on earth can someone do comparative DNA analysis with a dead guy from 2000 years ago of which there is no sample of anything with which to compare?

heh - exactly. One of the main arguments people use against Jesus' existence, in fact, is that there were a friggin' ton of "Jesus"es in his time. There's no way this has any veracity.

 

[karasu]

I honestly wish I could be an atheist sometimes.

 

[Chiggs]

heh - exactly. One of the main arguments people use against Jesus' existence, in fact, is that there were a friggin' ton of "Jesus"es in his time. There's no way this has any veracity.

BUT THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUE GOD!!!!!

 

[Pikmindictator]

Jesus DNA? Now all we need is some raptor DNA and we can have:

JurrasicJesus Park

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

1) I doubt Cameron found the coffin.

2) We will never know what happened around Jesus's time. Everything has been translated and handled by so many people that the truth will have been altered, even some of it entirely made up.

3) These types of films do no good. These churches grow because of their presence (sp?) in the social communities. If everyone follows, the small amount of nonbelievers will just claim to follow anyway. Cameron will not undermine this.

 

[Verano]

I honestly wish I could be an atheist sometimes.

Be an atheist for a week and see how does that turn out.

 

[EverSoTrendy]

Jesus DNA? Now all we need is some raptor DNA and we can have:

JurrasicJesus Park

 

[tsef]

How on earth can someone do comparative DNA analysis with a dead guy from 2000 years ago of which there is no sample of anything with which to compare?

I think the point was to compare the DNA of the corpse identified as jesus with those of the corpses identified as mary and joseph to see if there was a link ( particularly with joseph)

 

[Hooker]

I think Cameron is right in his bid to make sure only one saviour has the initials JC.

He won't. Europe's best fooballer, and a huge legend and icon for every football loving country; Johan Cruijff

 

[robertsan21]

man what I would give for this to be real!

 

[Deleted member 1235]

People still believe jesus was resurrected? :lol

worst post I've ever read on GAF.

 

[Seth C]

I think the point was to compare the DNA of the corpse identified as jesus with those of the corpses identified as mary and joseph to see if there was a link ( particularly with joseph)

Which proves...what exactly? That the random people in that tomb are related? That they are buried together seems to suggest that anyway.

Prof Kloner said there was no way the tomb housed the family of Jesus. "It is just not possible that a family who came from Galilee, as the New Testament tells us of Joseph and Mary, would be buried over several generations in [Occupied] Jerusalem."

 

[hooded pitohui]

I think Cameron is right in his bid to make sure only one saviour has the initials JC.

 

[MIMIC]

*is surprised to learn that no one wants an atheist president*

 

[zon]

So, if not from THE LORD, where did that Y chromosome come from?

Chuck Norris, fool.

 

[Monk]

Faith healing is something that most people dont get.

Benny Hinn nor anyone else like him doesnt have power. They have the ability to preach. But that is it. Healing comes from the idea that God wants you to be healthy. So all these people running to he likes of Benny Hinn are in for a rude shock when hey get home as anything that ever comes from these events are most likely temporary.(ie it is a well known fact that in the height of euphoric sensations that people can temporarily walk etc).

Some times it can be evil spirits that cause affliction on people. And those are the ones that can realy be instantly healed. Like what you find in Africa etc.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Some times it can be evil spirits that cause affliction on people. And those are the ones that can realy be instantly healed. Like what you find in Africa etc.

oh.

phew.

 

[Monk]

oh.

phew.

African people who practive voodoo/vodoun do ritauls where they do various things like animal sacrifices to swallowing human blood to get a blessing from divine spirits, and allow them selves to be possessed in the process.

 

[Deleted member 1235]

African people who practive voodoo/vodoun do ritauls where they do various things like animal sacrifices to swallowing human blood to get a blessing from divine spirits, and allow them selves to be possessed in the process.

definitely not hypnosis or self hypnosis, just the evil spirits?

 

[terrene]

Come on, terrene. You don't think it's proper to have healthy skepticism about Mr. King of the World finding the King of Kings and being able to prove the veracity of his claim? How on earth can someone do comparative DNA analysis with a dead guy from 2000 years ago of which there is no sample of anything with which to compare?

Without knowing what type of "DNA evidence" is being referred to, who it might belong to, when it was from, or pretty much anything about Cameron's claims, I have no idea. Neither does Alucard. But that aside, even if there is truth to his findings, it will be denied tooth and nail by "counter-evidence" (specious, fabricated, or otherwise) until there's a mental "safety net" that makes believers feel comfortable again. So, whether it's shoddily-researched agitprop or the hard truth, it doesn't matter - this doc will have no impact at all.

I don't appreciate the idea of treating scientific research of any kind with "skepticism" rather than with an open mind.

 

[Monk]

definitely not hypnosis or self hypnosis, just the evil spirits?

Hypnosis or self hypnosis? They are hypnotised into doing what exactly? believing that x is going to happen and as a result something completely different happens?

 

[Deleted member 1235]

Hypnosis or self hypnosis? They are hypnotised into doing what exactly? believing that x is going to happen and as a result something completely different happens?

look, if you drink human blood while doing a crazy dance, you aren't going to be alright. It has nothing to do with 'evil spirits' and everything to do with being ****ing crazy.

 

[Monk]

look, if you drink human blood while doing a crazy dance, you aren't going to be alright. It has nothing to do with 'evil spirits' and everything to do with being ****ing crazy.

Because physical symptoms are cause by mental problems? While i dont care for these debates any more becuase it usually ends up with too many assumptions being made, thinking like yours requires as much faith as those that believe everything in a book.

 

[Patrick Bateman]

Here's the link:

http://time-blog.com/middle_east/

Basically, Cameron is producing a documentary in which it's revealed (among other things) that Jesus wasn't resurrected, that his burial cave was discovered near Jerusalem, and that he had a child with Mary Magdelene.

Wow, did he read the DaVinci-Code?


Edit: No, it's not a re-make of "The Da Vinci Codes'. It's supposed to be true. :lol :lol

 

[Iceman]

I don't appreciate the idea of treating scientific research of any kind with "skepticism" rather than with an open mind.

As a scientist, I think you should rethink this statement. Maybe read about the David Baltimore case. Even we are supposed to treat our findings with skepticism. We are constantly being reminded that most everything we think as fact will be proven false within 10 years.

But, yeah, back to the topic. James Cameron finding Jesus' coffin? (1) I don't think James Cameron got a single finger dirty digging for anything and (2) DNA evidence? Probably just means that all three of the coffins, found together, are from related people. If they think that's enough to suggest that Jesus of Christian and Muslim fame/faith was not resurrected then that's quite a claim - wouldn't pass for enough evidence in any other scientific field as far as I know. But sensationalism is sensationalism: Gotta sell DVDs.

 

[Monk]

As a scientist, I think you should rethink this statement. Maybe read about the David Baltimore case. Even we are supposed to treat our findings with skepticism. We are constantly being reminded that most everything we think as fact will be proven false within 10 years.

Thank you. Assuming the past knowledge is always true can never lead us into the future.

 

[fortified_concept]

I honestly wish I could be an atheist sometimes.

Read the bible. That'll do the trick.

 

[Mute]

Agnostic about an undefined, unknowable, controller of the universe?

Well duh.

 

[karasu]

Be an atheist for a week and see how does that turn out.

I can't. If I were to pretend I didn't believe in anything tomorrow it wouldn't be real. It would just be a way to circumvent the challenge of spirituality.

 

[Hitokage]

Without knowing what type of "DNA evidence" is being referred to, who it might belong to, when it was from, or pretty much anything about Cameron's claims, I have no idea. Neither does Alucard. But that aside, even if there is truth to his findings, it will be denied tooth and nail by "counter-evidence" (specious, fabricated, or otherwise) until there's a mental "safety net" that makes believers feel comfortable again. So, whether it's shoddily-researched agitprop or the hard truth, it doesn't matter - this doc will have no impact at all.

I don't appreciate the idea of treating scientific research of any kind with "skepticism" rather than with an open mind.

Having an open mind has little to do with skepticism or credulity.

 

[BarneyBP]

Forget about the Christians. Man, what does this do to scientology? I thought Jesus and all the other root sources of world faiths were taught to us in a 3D movie theatre? If he's buried, that hardly bodes well for the supposed Alien Film Festival.

... And what of Cameron's penchant for 3D cinema in the first place? I fear I've stumbled upon something terrifying here.

 

[unifin]

Read the bible. That'll do the trick.

HUR HUR HUR

 

[terrene]

As a scientist, I think you should rethink this statement. Maybe read about the David Baltimore case. Even we are supposed to treat our findings with skepticism. We are constantly being reminded that most everything we think as fact will be proven false within 10 years.

There's a difference between intellectual skepticism borne from being consistently proven wrong (which is more like keeping track of statistics than an outlook/philosophy) and an emotional need for "skepticism" due to a fear of having your beliefs trodden upon. Try to guess which one I'm talking about.

 

[Shogmaster]

Religious = delusional
Atheists = closed minded h8rz
Agnostic = wishy washy pussies

We all lose. :lol

 

[Monk]

There's a difference between intellectual skepticism borne from being consistently proven wrong (which is more like keeping track of statistics than an outlook/philosophy) and an emotional need for "skepticism" due to a fear of having your beliefs trodden upon. Try to guess which one I'm talking about.

So just because someone claims scientific research it should not be greeted with scepticism? IMO flawless methodology is needed to prove something is fact. As soon as you make assumptions no matter how reasonable they are, it no longer becomes fact, it becomes a theory which may or may not be true. It is why when you want to prove something is true, you try to prove it to be false in every possible condition.

 

[big_z]

I must know the origins of this gif because i think my dick is being resurrected in my pants...

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Holy crap. I just saw someone compare Jesus to Dragonball Z... and they were serious!

Jesus, Superman, and Goku are all too similar.