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James Cameron sets 'Avatar' 2 & 3 as next films

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gdt5016 said:
I can't imagine how gigantic Avatar 2's opening weekend will be.
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It will be huge, but neither movie will make overall what Avatar did. But that should go without saying.
 
BattleMonkey said:
Cameron makes fun action movies. You're not going to get any hard sci fi out of him.
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Aliens was fun. Terminator 2 was fun. True Lies was fun. This was boring. Most of the movie was just showing off the pretty world they made. Ok, it's a nice world. How about something more this time? Like a character with any kind of characteristic. People compare it to the original star wars but that movie was able to have a rich, interesting universe, great iconic characters, an amazing music score and heaps of memorable scenes. This had great visuals where they showed off the world, bland characters, bland music, and nearly no memorable scenes that didn't involve pretty CGI.
 
Solo said:
It will be huge, but neither movie will make overall what Avatar did. But that should go without saying.
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I agree. I don't think anyone is expecting that either.

It'd be cool to be surprised, though.
 
GitarooMan said:
Man, I couldn't disagree more. BttF is a truly exceptional movie and deserves a place among the all-time greats IMO. The other two are watchable, but can't hold a candle to it. Neither of the sequels has even half the quality of the charm, pacing, writing, and directing of the first, which is a classic.
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Any proof? How were the charm, pacing, writing, and directing not as good as the first?

The first is a classic, but the sequels are no slouch, and improve upon many parts of the original, including time travel.

The writing is excellent and tightly knit, full of great lines and plot points. The directing was also great, with many great shots, like the DeLorean being slid into the railroad tracks, finding out when someone has died, and the believability of the alternative timelines. Especially how straight forward and easy to understand it all is, despite having a deeper time travel story than others in the genre.

All three of them were masterpieces. There is no reason to only call the first one good.
 
Solo said:
It will be huge, but neither movie will make overall what Avatar did. But that should go without saying.
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Actually, Avatar 2 should pass Avatar 1 in overall gross. Avatar 3 probably won't though.
 
Hmm, this sucks. Would rather have seen the man doing something interesting. Pandora looked very convincing, but everything else about the film was bland and uninspired. If 2 and 3 are about how the marines are going to start nuking sites from orbit I'm in though.



Darklord said:
Aliens was fun. Terminator 2 was fun. True Lies was fun. This was boring. Most of the movie was just showing off the pretty world they made. Ok, it's a nice world. How about something more this time? Like a character with any kind of characteristic. People compare it to the original star wars but that movie was able to have a rich, interesting universe, great iconic characters, an amazing music score and heaps of memorable scenes. This had great visuals where they showed off the world, bland characters, bland music, and nearly no memorable scenes that didn't involve pretty CGI.
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Agreed, compared to his other sci-fi work, Avatar was a huge, steaming pile of shit.
 
I really have no interest in paying the $20 its going to cost for a single 3D movie ticket by the time these come out. Saw the first and without a far better story, it's a been there done that situation.

Willy105 said:
Any proof? How were the charm, pacing, writing, and directing not as good as the first?

The first is a classic, but the sequels are no slouch, and improve upon many parts of the original, including time travel.

The writing is excellent and tightly knit, full of great lines and plot points. The directing was also great, with many great shots, like the DeLorean being slid into the railroad tracks, finding out when someone has died, and the believability of the alternative timelines. Especially how straight forward and easy to understand it all is, despite having a deeper time travel story than others in the genre.

All three of them were masterpieces. There is no reason to only call the first one good.
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Stop trying so hard to get a tag quote.
 
Painraze said:
Actually, Avatar 2 should pass Avatar 1 in overall gross. Avatar 3 probably won't though.
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Avatar is on an entirely different level than those movies you posted, so that rule probably won't apply.

Edit: Saw your edit Solo!
 
Willy105 said:
Any proof? How were the charm, pacing, writing, and directing not as good as the first?
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Reviews:
Back to the Future 96% (45 reviews)
Back to the Future Part II 63% (38 reviews)
Back to the Future Part III 71% (35 reviews)

Box Office:
Back to the Future $210,609,762
Back to the Future Part II $118,450,002
Back to the Future Part III $87,727,583

Audience lost a lot of interest by part 3.
 
I really enjoyed Avatar. It was an epic experience overall. I even liked the characters.

That said I don't know what else there is to do on Pandora. Maybe Cameron has got a whole new plan in mind.
 
Ceres said:
Stop trying so hard to get a tag quote.
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It is usually expected to have a discussion here, you generally can't win an argument without proving me wrong.

Painraze said:
Reviews:
Back to the Future 96% (45 reviews)
Back to the Future Part II 63% (38 reviews)
Back to the Future Part III 71% (35 reviews)

Box Office:
Back to the Future $210,609,762
Back to the Future Part II $118,450,002
Back to the Future Part III $87,727,583

Audience lost a lot of interest by part 3.
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Because they were back to back sequels released almost half a decade after the original came out. It felt like a total cash in.
 
Willy105 said:
Because they were back to back sequels released almost half a decade after the original came out. It felt like a total cash in.
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If they were as good as you claim, that wouldn't have mattered. There is a reason why a good bit of the audience didn't care enough to come back to part 3, they sucked.
 
gdt5016 said:
Avatar is on an entirely different level than those movies you posted, so that rule probably won't apply.

Edit: Saw your edit Solo!
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My intent was to :lol at Willy, as my edit shows. However, a :lol could still have been applied to the post I ended up following - anyone thinking either of these movies will top Avatar 1's box office take is crazy.
 
2014??? Holy shit.

The tech is all there so wtf is going to take so long? Rendering? Surely it won't be story...


And Hard R, Cameron! Who am I kidding? sigh
 
Solo said:
My intent was to :lol at Willy, as my edit shows. However, a :lol could still have been applied to the post I ended up following - anyone thinking either of these movies will top Avatar 1's box office take is crazy.
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There is a (admittedly small) chance Avatar 2 will. I'm glad you are so sure of the opposite. I guess we'll see who's right in 2014! Google bookmark this. :lol
 
Painraze said:
If they were as good as you claim, that wouldn't have mattered. There is a reason why a good bit of the audience didn't care enough to come back to part 3, they sucked.
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That's not how the real world works though, as the usual whining film and TV GAF members in this board will show you.

Marketing is the biggest power behind the success of films. A bad film can be popular with great marketing, a good movie can be a total flop with terrible marketing. Nothing new.
 
chase said:
2014??? Holy shit.

The tech is all there so wtf is going to take so long? Rendering? Surely it won't be story...


And Hard R, Cameron! Who am I kidding? sigh
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It's because he's doing 2 movies at once.
 
Solo said:
All the bitchers in this thread will still end up seeing the movie(s) a minimum of three times :lol
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Well, duh. :lol Only if it ends up really boring we wouldn't watch it, and Cameron knows how to make exciting movies.
 
Dyno said:
I really enjoyed Avatar. It was an epic experience overall. I even liked the characters.

That said I don't know what else there is to do on Pandora. Maybe Cameron has got a whole new plan in mind.
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I read somewhere that the sequels would incorporate more of the moons around the gas giant planet as well as Pandora. There was also talk of exploring the Pandorian oceans. I suspect that some kind of ancient connection between earth and the Pandorian system will be discovered. Arnold is probably gonna have a part in the movies.

I dunno. The concept for the first movie sounded uninspiring but, for me, Cameron's direction made the experience of watching a somewhat cliched and bland story a really memorable one. Also, the final battle is a master class in how to direct spectacular, coherent and exciting action. It is, however, the only part of the blu-ray that I regularly rewatch. No Cameron has established the universe, I hope he takes more risks with the story and takes more time to develop the characters.
 
Willy105 said:
That's not how the real world works though, as the usual whining film and TV GAF members in this board will show you.

Marketing is the biggest power behind the success of films. A bad film can be popular with great marketing, a good movie can be a total flop with terrible marketing. Nothing new.
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You asked:

Any proof? How were the charm, pacing, writing, and directing not as good as the first?
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Since there is really no way to prove something so subjective, I gave you some statistics.

If the BTTF sequels were just as charming as the original, why the drop off from 1->2 and then again from 2->3? Marketing might explain the first but not the latter.

Also reviews were also lower for the sequels as well.

So basically, the sequels had roughly half the audience of the original and the reviews were a lot lower than the original. Besides that, what proof are you looking for?
 
Enosh said:
no...

why would they?
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Avatar is the highest grossing movie all time. You don't attain that status without tons of people having seen the movie multiple times. Including people who obviously liked the movie but have an e-persona to maintain.
 
These are going to be complete shit, just like every back to back set of sequels. Matrix, Pirates, BTTF, they were all dreadful films as was the first Avatar movie. Still, I'm sure they will look and sound great, worth seeing but not worth remembering.
 
Fallout-NL said:
It was never any good, so there's no need to worry about that.
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I wasn't a fan of it either, but it has a huge fanbase, and two "meh" sequels can do a lot more damage than one good one.
 
Painraze said:
You asked:

Since there is really no way to prove something so subjective, I gave you some statistics.

If the BTTF sequels were just as charming as the original, why the drop off from 1->2 and then again from 2->3? Marketing might explain the first but not the latter.

Also reviews were also lower for the sequels as well.

So basically, the sequels had roughly half the audience of the original and the reviews were a lot lower than the original. Besides that, what proof are you looking for?
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Marketing won't stop influencing after the first sequel. It influences every time something is released.

The first Back to the Future was part of the culture when it first came out. Since they failed to capitalize on it while it was still popular (they went on to do Roger Rabbit after it, and that was three years later), by the time they announced the sequels four years after the original came out, interest was simply gone.

Not to mention having a trailer for the third movie right as the second movie ended made it seem less exciting and genuine.

Either way, as the box office and critical reaction show, they were still both popular and critically acclaimed (except maybe BTT2).

Although it's harder to debate quality, we do it all the time here, so I asked specifically about the movies themselves. Opinions on why they thought that.
 
I really hope it's in the same universe but a different planet. I would prefer to see them using the Avatar technology on another planet with different looking aliens. Perhaps this time make it so the mineral humans are mining is actually essential to humanity's survival so there is an actual moral dilemma when it comes to wiping out the natives, and isn't just a matter of greed. Then maybe for the 3rd installment, have the aliens be more advanced and use the Avatar technology for covert ops or something.

That would provide more variety in aliens/scenery/plot than just revisiting Pandora again and again.
 
Solo said:
Avatar is the highest grossing movie all time. You don't attain that status without tons of people having seen the movie multiple times. Including people who obviously liked the movie but have an e-persona to maintain.
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A lot of it also had to do with people who never go to the movies actually going to see what the hype was about. I had a bunch of friends, who rarely go to movies or the few times they do its to see a shitty romcom, go and see Avatar.

Oddly enough, the sequel I'm most looking forward to is coming from Dreamworks. Never thought I'd see that day. :lol
 
I've seen the first one twice so, in a way, it's like I've already seen the sequel.

But really, when has Cameron ever made an acceptable follow-up to anything?

If you can't see that I'm joking, you have problems.
 
Willy105 said:
Marketing won't stop influencing after the first sequel. It influences every time something is released.

The first Back to the Future was part of the culture when it first came out. Since they failed to capitalize on it while it was still popular (they went on to do Roger Rabbit after it, and that was three years later), by the time they announced the sequels four years after the original came out, interest was simply gone.
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Matrix 2 came out 4 years after Matrix 1 but made more money..... You're acting as though there was 20 years between the BTTF fims.
 
Avatar's story and characters were just fine. Music was spectacular.

Too many contrarians on this forum, but whatever.
 
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