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James Cameron sets 'Avatar' 2 & 3 as next films

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Willy105 said:
Why do I read these threads? The hate here is ridiculous.
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Popular movies receive backlash. The most mainstream and popular film was always going to draw the hate of NeoGAF. Yet, like Titanic, every GAF member and their mother will see it 2 or 3 times.
 
BobLoblaw said:
Will you be making any box office predictions for these two? :lol
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People won't be tricked again. I think the next Avatar films will play out closer to what happened to the Matrix sequels than the LOTR sequels. They'll be hyped but ultimately by 2014 the technology will have done more interesting things (hopefully) and be familiar to the average movie goer; Avatar will no longer be an originator - well at least as far as a Dances With Wolves in Space farce can be an originator.

Each LOTR film grossed more than the last because people liked the films. Avatar has nowhere to go but down once people realize it's just an average adventure series with great visuals.
 
Solo said:
Thats a bingo!
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sort of.
Popular movies receive backlash. The most mainstream and popular film was always going to draw the hate of NeoGAF. Yet, like Titanic, every GAF member and their mother will see it 2 or 3 times.
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Ask anyone that has any grasp of storytelling and they'll tell you Avatar was shit. Visually stunning but shit plot, character development...you know, stuff that actually matters in a narrative.
 
Busty said:
Fixed.
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Where is it?

There's only one or two, and they back their posts up.

Scullibundo said:
Popular movies receive backlash. The most mainstream and popular film was always going to draw the hate of NeoGAF. Yet, like Titanic, every GAF member and their mother will see it 2 or 3 times.
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I guess you are right.

But it should be something that should not happen. It's infantile.
 
PhoenixDark said:
People won't be tricked again. I think the next Avatar films will play out closer to what happened to the Matrix sequels than the LOTR sequels. They'll be hyped but ultimately by 2014 the technology will have done more interesting things (hopefully)
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I see Tin Tin being a way more entertaining film already. It's actually got great/entertaining writers behind it.
 
PhoenixDark said:
People won't be tricked again. I think the next Avatar films will play out closer to what happened to the Matrix sequels than the LOTR sequels. They'll be hyped but ultimately by 2014 the technology will have done more interesting things (hopefully) and be familiar to the average movie goer; Avatar will no longer be an originator - well at least as far as a Dances With Wolves in Space farce can be an originator.
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If people were suckered into seeing Avatar, why did they go see it multiple times in droves?

For what it's worth, I saw Avatar three times in the cinema. First time in my life I did that but I just had to see it again. The first time I saw Avatar was one of my best movie experiences ever. I felt like a little kid again. Wonderful experience.
 
Right towards the climax of the film where they glossed over all the different societies that Jake had to round up - that is where the new films could pull from. I really wanted to learn about all those different cultures.
 
Fantastic news.

To anyone who thinks that AHBUHDAR 2 is gonna out-gross AHBUHDAR (2.7 Billion dollahs) , needs to have their heads examined.

Even IF you account for 5 years of inflation, I just don't see it but if anyone can pull it off, it's Jimmy C.
 
PhoenixDark said:
People won't be tricked again. I think the next Avatar films will play out closer to what happened to the Matrix sequels than the LOTR sequels. They'll be hyped but ultimately by 2014 the technology will have done more interesting things (hopefully) and be familiar to the average movie goer; Avatar will no longer be an originator - well at least as far as a Dances With Wolves in Space farce can be an originator.

Each LOTR film grossed more than the last because people liked the films. Avatar has nowhere to go but down once people realize it's just an average adventure series with great visuals.
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If you don't think that Avatar 2 & 3 will be the pinnacle of movie technology at the time of their release, you clearly don't know James Cameron. And you should know him pretty well by now considering how often you must see his face these days.

I think that with the world of Pandora now officially set up by the first film, there will be a lot more time dedicated to plot. So much of the first film was explaining the world of Pandora that, as I've always said, Pandora was pretty much the lead character in the film.
 
ymmv said:
Because he had to make Avatar a sure fire hit, that movie absolutely **had **to be a crowd pleaser in order to make a return on that incredible investment. Cameron took a risk with 3D, not with the story. He knew exactly what he was doing.
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You Sir, do not know James Cameron very well. If you think that Avatar 2 is going to be some involved piece of sci-fi film making you are going to be painfully disappointed.

Willy105 said:
But it should be something that should not happen. It's infantile.
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You are entirely too sensitive to be allowed anywhere near the internet.

Man alive.
 
Xater said:
The action was fine, too bad you have to sit through all that other shit to get to it. I still think Avatar as a whole is not well paced at all. I was already bored with it by my second viewing.
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Well, they did have to add a lot of filler into a story that's only 81 minutes with musical numbers throughout. :lol
 
Avatar 2 will have the 48fps 'gimmick', then 3 will be closing the series probably, there isn't anything as shiny and new as someone taking 3D serious for the first time, but there is a lot reasons these films could do very well.

People went to see Avatar for that experience I think, something they couldn't get elsewhere, and they still won't be getting it elsewhere at that time I imagine.
 
Willy105 said:
Why do I read these threads? The hate here is ridiculous.
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I wonder if all the Twilight hate-fests are as funny to Twilight fans (urgh) as the Internet´s constant bitching about Avatar.

Personally I loved the Avatar experience (it really is an experience), even though I went into it the first time just to see smurfs getting killed by humans Warhammer 40k style. I didn´t expect to like Avatar as I ended up doing. Same with my brother.

Both my mother and my father love it as well, hell, my mother went to see it several times with us and she usually NEVER goes into a cinema, because she hates it. I think the last movie she saw there before big A was The Lion King, because my sister and I were to young to go alone and my dad was working 24/7.

Cameron is really a great director and he just hits the sweet spot for a impossibly diverse crowd. Beatifully shot action, perfectly framed images, characters that might be cardboard thin but still kinda lovable, enough loooove for the girls, enough pew pew, bang boom for the boys. I saw one dude walking out during the break, but he was old as hell and probably didn´t realize the movie wasn´t over and the lights were just going on to allow people to spend money on crappy food after being bombarded with a not very subtle "care for the environment and don´t consume that much, yo" message :lol

The internet, however, has to be cool and hate it. I get it, geeks (I´m posting on tabletop wargaming boards, they´re even worse than GAF) wanted this to be more gritty or less accesible for the mainstream. I´d have loved a more faithful to the older script version of Avatar as well, with humans getting fucked up by the local flora and faune for just being there, an earth destroyed by nuclear terrorism (that´s what caused earth´s flora to die, right?), humans being more or less in a do or die situation, less black and white characters etc. I really want that movie. But let´s be real, that´s not a movie I could´ve enjoyed with my whole family, so I love Avatar the way it is and just watch Aliens or Preadator for kick-ass human on alien action.
 
Scullibundo said:
If you don't think that Avatar 2 & 3 will be the pinnacle of movie technology at the time of their release, you clearly don't know James Cameron. And you should know him pretty well by now considering how often you must see his face these days.

I think that with the world of Pandora now officially set up by the first film, there will be a lot more time dedicated to plot. So much of the first film was explaining the world of Pandora that, as I've always said, Pandora was pretty much the lead character in the film.
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Couldn't agree more.

I have maintained this from the start to everyone that poo pooed the first film's plot. James Cameron was very smart in that he took a tried and true story structure and simplified it so as to not be overbearing to the viewer--to make it, along with introducing a new world with 9 foot tall blue people very palatable for moviegoers all over the world.

Now that he has the audience, he will spread his wings, plot-wise, and take a LOT more risks.
 
Binabik15 said:
I wonder if all the Twilight hate-fests are as funny to Twilight fans (urgh) as the Internet´s constant bitching about Avatar.

Personally I loved the Avatar experience (it really is an experience), even though I went into it the first time just to see smurfs getting killed by humans Warhammer 40k style. I didn´t expect to like Avatar as I ended up doing. Same with my brother.
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The first viewing was an experience, but after I got over the tech I could see alot of flaws in it. So do alot of other people. Personally I don#t think the pacing is great (it clearly is too long), the core story is simplsitic and real characters are nowhere to be found.

Part of the too long problem is that Cameron is way too much in love with his own ideas and packs way to much shit into it he wants to show/explain. That's probably one of the main complaints from me. For such a simplistic story the movie spends way to much time explaining all that stuff that really has no bearing on what is important.
 
Discotheque said:
No offense dude, but you suck.
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Oh god, I think I´m going to cry.

Can someone hand me a hankerchief?

Xater said:
The first viewing was an experience, but after I got over the tech I could see alot of flaws in it. So do alot of other people. Personally I don#t think the pacing is great (it clearly is too long), the story is simplsitic and real characters are nowhere to be found.
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It IS seriously flawed in some regards, no question. I´m not saying it´s the best thing ever or something. People are free to dislike or even hate it, but some people take it to pathetic lows. On the internet. That´s surprising, isn´t it?
 
Discotheque said:
No offense dude, but you suck.
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He gave a well-written post with a reasonable explanation of why he and everyone he knows loved Avatar.

No my friend, seems like it is you and your fucking stupid one-liners the ones that suck. dick. big dick.
 
Binabik15 said:
. I get it, geeks (I´m posting on tabletop wargaming boards, they´re even worse than GAF) wanted this to be more gritty or less accesible for the mainstream
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Huh? The major complaint I hear and agree with, is that the story was derivative.
 
ymmv said:
If people were suckered into seeing Avatar, why did they go see it multiple times in droves?

For what it's worth, I saw Avatar three times in the cinema. First time in my life I did that but I just had to see it again. The first time I saw Avatar was one of my best movie experiences ever. I felt like a little kid again. Wonderful experience.
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I completely agree with this sentiment. It was awe inspiring for me. A cinema experience I'll never forget.
 
Yeah he bashes us 'geeks for just hating to be cool' yet goes on to mention enjoying Alien vs. Predator for the kick ass aliens on human action.

This mentality that people only hate on popular films because they're popular is about as offensive as me saying he sucks. I'm just going to do my part and avoid threads for shit films like this on Gaf from now on. Because I'm only hating because the movie made so much movie.

If it flopped I clearly wouldn't hate it and it'd probably be my favorite movie of all time because nobody else liked it....right.

EDIT: Oh my Gooooood after looking at Sculli's post I just realized I misread that as Alien vs. Predator :(. Well my second and third paragraphs still apply here.

And yeah Predator is one of the best action films of the 80s. John Mctiernan really let himself go after the Die Hard films though :/

And also go to hell jett.
 
Teh Hamburglar said:
Only on GAF can a movie get a pass because it was simply setting the stage for the REAL movie in Part 2.
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Because as everyone knows, only DA INTARNETS likes Avatar.

Discotheque said:
Yeah he bashes us 'geeks for just hating to be cool' yet goes on to mention enjoying Alien vs. Predator for the kick ass aliens on human action.

This mentality that people only hate on popular films because they're popular is about as offensive as me saying he sucks. I'm just going to do my part and avoid threads for shit films like this on Gaf from now on. Because I'm only hating because the movie made so much movie.

If it flopped I clearly wouldn't hate it and it'd probably be my favorite movie of all time because nobody else liked it....right.
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He said Aliens or Predator.

Aliens = badass action movie
Predator = badass action movie

Dat dyslexia.
 
Discotheque said:
Yeah he bashes us 'geeks for just hating to be cool' yet goes on to mention enjoying Alien vs. Predator for the kick ass aliens on human action.

This mentality that people only hate on popular films because they're popular is about as offensive as me saying he sucks. I'm just going to do my part and avoid threads for shit films like this on Gaf from now on. Because I'm only hating because the movie made so much movie.

If it flopped I clearly wouldn't hate it and it'd probably be my favorite movie of all time because nobody else liked it....right.
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Alien or Predator is not Alien vs Predator. You suck.
 
Blair said:
Huh? The major complaint I hear and agree with, is that the story was derivative.
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Well, that might be the case, but that´s not what I´m talking about.

I´m talking about people who hate on Avatar to ridiculous levels because it´s not R-rated, to mainstream or more popular than the fictional backgrounds THEY enjoy. Dudes that paint little plastic or metal space marines to use against plastic space orks and read books about incredible cheesy and cliché´d and, strangely enough, highly derivative (sometimes tounge in cheek, sometimes not) backstories for their little soldiers.* I guess it´s one of those "You´d have to be there" situations, I can´t quote pages of discussion here.

The only people I know IRL that are really down on Avatar are my cousin and his siter´s BF. They both loved Iron Man 2 and called it the best movie of 2010 and my cousin paid full price for Uwe Boll´s Dungeon Siege...

*Hey, I do that as well and I really love it, but I can embrace my inner child as well as my inner man-child and enjoy all kinds of entertainment.

Discotheque said:
Yeah he bashes us 'geeks for just hating to be cool' yet goes on to mention enjoying Alien vs. Predator for the kick ass aliens on human action.

This mentality that people only hate on popular films because they're popular is about as offensive as me saying he sucks. I'm just going to do my part and avoid threads for shit films like this on Gaf from now on. Because I'm only hating because the movie made so much movie.

If it flopped I clearly wouldn't hate it and it'd probably be my favorite movie of all time because nobody else liked it....right.

EDIT: Oh my Gooooood after looking at Sculli's post I just realized I misread that as Alien vs. Predator :(. Well my second and third paragraphs still apply here.

And yeah Predator is one of the best action films of the 80s. John Mctiernan really let himself go after the Die Hard films though :/

And also go to hell jett.
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So the vague generalization of "geeks" (something I´m pretty sure I am myself) was directed only to you and everything you´ve said. The broad strokes I´ve used to have a chance at comparing Avatar haters and Twilight haters were aimed at you. Okay. I´m so sorry. Or something. I´ll never embellish a statement again to make myself or my opinion look more acceptable, lest I hurt anybody feelings with a sweeping generalisation

Geez, movie-GAF is serious business.

PS: I´m in a light-hearted, half sleeping state of aching muscles, so don´t take me serious, in case I come off as serious, even though I try really hard to make it clear that I´m not really serious. I´m not that much of a cunt.
 
Its a shame these movies couldn't be completed a couple of years earlier if you know what I mean.

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Binabik15 said:
Well, that might be the case, but that´s not what I´m talking about.

I´m talking about people who hate on Avatar to ridiculous levels because it´s not R-rated, to mainstream or more popular than the fictional backgrounds THEY enjoy. Dudes that paint little plastic or metal space marines to use against plastic space orks and read books about incredible cheesy and cliché´d and, strangely enough, highly derivative (sometimes tounge in cheek, sometimes not) backstories for their little soldiers.* I guess it´s one of those "You´d have to be there" situations, I can´t quote pages of discussion here.

The only people I know IRL that are really down on Avatar are my cousin and his siter´s BF. They both loved Iron Man 2 and called it the best movie of 2010 and my cousin paid full price for Uwe Boll´s Dungeon Siege...

*Hey, I do that as well and I really love it, but I can embrace my inner child as well as my inner man-child and enjoy all kinds of entertainment.
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It's been pointed out before, but it's kinda funny how most gaffers have shittastic standards on the gaming side but become Mr. Joe Elitist when it comes to movies. :lol
 
Infact, i would say 'geeks' were NOT looking for a gritty sci fi film, but clamouring for a big budget, big action mainstream sci fi film, because all that had been offered to us in the way of big budget mainstream action where the piles of shit that were the transformers films. Everyone was frothing at the mouth at the thought of James Cameron making a new action film, nobody gave a shit about how gritty it would be.
 
I thought Stephen Lang was a more impressive CG creation than anything else in Avatar. Was it just weird makeup or something? Because he looked waxy at times.
 
Well 2014 is a bit of a bummer. Hopefully my father is still around and doing well by then, as he and my mother loved the first one.

Is Cameron still working on the novel?
 
Binabik15 said:
The internet, however, has to be cool and hate it. I get it, geeks (I´m posting on tabletop wargaming boards, they´re even worse than GAF) wanted this to be more gritty or less accesible for the mainstream. I´d have loved a more faithful to the older script version of Avatar as well, with humans getting fucked up by the local flora and faune for just being there, an earth destroyed by nuclear terrorism (that´s what caused earth´s flora to die, right?), humans being more or less in a do or die situation, less black and white characters etc. I really want that movie. But let´s be real, that´s not a movie I could´ve enjoyed with my whole family, so I love Avatar the way it is and just watch Aliens or Preadator for kick-ass human on alien action.
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So just because you're okay with settling for this garbage, I'm not alllowed to yearn for some quality in the sci-fi genre? I mean, what the fuck do we have, three films that actually matter? Blade Runner, Alien and 2001. That's it.
 
jett said:
It's been pointed out before, but it's kinda funny how most gaffers have shittastic standards on the gaming side but become Mr. Joe Elitist when it comes to movies. :lol
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I wonder if it is ever the same posters. I have this image of someone praising the story telling in Halo over at the gaming side then coming here and writing a huge post about Godfather Part 3 was an abortion and Sofia Coppola ruined her father's legacy.

As run of the mill as Avatar's story and story telling is, it's still better than 98%+ of all video games.
 
Snaku said:
Well 2014 is a bit of a bummer. Hopefully my father is still around and doing well by then, as he and my mother loved the first one.

Is Cameron still working on the novel?
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Yes. Should complete it by Feb or something.
 
avatar was one of the duller cheesier movies i've ever payed to see, i'm not lying. "teh experience" doesn't mean ANYTHING if the dialogue sucks, the characters suck, the story sucks. that = not a good experience for me. THAT SAID, i will most likely be going to see Abadah 2 and 3. Make that money Cameron! Unobtainium! hahah.


edit: also, this thread rules. some people appear to be truly offended that others didn't love Avatar. love starting my day off with some good chuckles, thanks GAF.
 
Wii said:
Does anyone still think Avatar is one of the best films of all time?
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it's the most awesome movie ive ever seen. in the truest sense of the word. i said it then, ill say it again.
 
Kagari said:
So two more movies of cliche story held up by pretty special effects?
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Pretty much. The story and writing in Avatar were pretty laughable. It does have some amazing creature designs, battles, and of course, effects (although even these were a little wonky in a FEW scenes).
 
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