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James Cameron sets 'Avatar' 2 & 3 as next films
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Anton Sugar
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:lol :lolBlair said:
I know it is. And not just the original series (9 books).TekkenMaster said:
That's precisely why I don't want Cameron to make that movie. Ever. The guy obviously knows little to nothing about the series and only sees it as an opportunity for yet another technological demonstration. Fuck that project.
And I'm sure that's all there is to it, as far as he's concerned.Scullibundo said:
AceBandage
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There's only one Avatar that's coming out that I'm interested in.
Femmeworth
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What have you done!?AceBandage said:There's only one Avatar that's coming out that I'm interested in.
WyndhamPrice
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Erigu said:
Holy jesus wow I know you like to shit up the LOST thread but to say Cameron knows little to nothing about a series he's been trying to turn into a film for the better part of 15 years really is fucking nonsense. What would ever give you that idea?
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Erigu said:
I like how you edited out his other description of the movie's themes to fit your own argument. Had I not remembered what I had written, that might have been a stinger.
Eh, he's probably right though. Cameron is so wrong for the material. He has no interest or ability to manipulate time and space in his films, and that's exactly what Battle Angel Alita needs to shine. The combat and action sequences are going to need more than just fancy effects and straight-up slow motion. I stand by the Wachowskis being the best shot the manga has at an adaptation. If they pushed what they did with Speed Racer a bit farther, we'd get a ridiculously cool and kinetic Battle Angel Alita that didn't neglect the speed, infinitesimal details and precision of the action. The racing bits of Speed Racer could almost directly translate to Alita's motorball section.WyndhamPrice said:
For good reasons.WyndhamPrice said:
Just how hard has he been trying? You really think he spent "the better part of 15 years" on that?
Yeah, thanks for telling them about the "other nine books" (???), Laeta! It's not like you could expect the guy who bought the rights to actually go and read the fucking series he's supposed to be adapting, after all.Jon Landau said:
Hu-huh.James Cameron said:
And sure, you "love" the character... just not to the point of actually reading the damn books (well, he was "familiar" with "one of the main ones", supposedly! or maybe that was just Landau?).
But the OVA (which Kishiro Yukito despises) was so cool! A cyborg girl! Whoa! Let's make a movie!
And of course, Kishiro isn't involved at all, and has never heard from them since...
Damnit, del Toro! Couldn't you keep that to yourself?!Jon Landau said:
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Erigu said:
Dude, that's Landau. Years ago, before Avatar was greenlit, Cameron was saying the movie was going to be based on the first 3 books. Also, if you kept up to date with the all-important WHAT T-SHIRT IS JAMES CAMERON WEARING ON SET TODAY? updates, you would know the dude has frequently sported nerdy as shit t-shirts of Alita. Cameron is a huge fan.
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Kibbles said:
No, that still hasn't been confirmed. Will probably be some green environmental awareness project for California.
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nib95 said:
Shot as one continuous film
Dreams-Visions
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LoTR was shot all at once. not movie #1 shot...then #2 and #3 shot consecutively some number of years later.nib95 said:
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Erigu said:
So you're being willfully ignorant then? Everything I typed before that comment you quoted explains that he had read the series and planned to base the first movie on the first 3 volumes of the manga, whilst he was planning to do an entire Battle Angel trilogy.
Funnily enough however, it's pretty easy to make the case that Fellowship is the best of the three by significant margin.nib95 said:
By all means point out the ancient news that had was planning a trilogy loosely based around three volumes a movie, but let's be clear. Wearing t-shirts isn't evidence of anything more than an awareness of the character and a belief they look cool. Otherwise there'd be a whole lot less people wearing Che shirts.Scullibundo said:
No, it doesn't.Scullibundo said:
You just said the movie was supposed to be based on the first three volumes (which makes little sense, as that's half-way through the Motor Ball arc... but then again, Cameron also thinks that Gally is "this little girl that everybody kind of ignores", so he was probably confused yet again, no biggie!).
Oh, and you also said he had Gunnm t-shirts, but...
... Yeah.Dan said:
That should give him enough time to read the rest of the series. Maybe that's what's taking him decades. Huge fan but slow reader?Scullibundo said:
(just kidding, obviously: he didn't read the other books because he didn't even know they existed!)
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Dan said:
So basically his planning a films around several volumes of the novel aren't enough to convince you he's a fan and has read them? Look, I know you want the Wachowski's to make it and are butthurt that it won't happen. That's understandable - they would make a great Gunnm adaptation, but to be as upset as you appear to be that its in the hands of Cameron seems silly to me. Cameron is incredibly capable of bringing a story like Battle Angel to the screen and one would think that you're lucky its not in a number of other possible directors' hands.
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Erigu said:
Jesus fucking christ. Manga/Graphic Novel. I'm sorry if I offended you by misrepresenting the origin of the tightly bound pages. I suppose nobody will please you with your set of expectations.
TekkenMaster
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Isn't the older, larger, flipped English version of the original Battle Angel Alita 9 volumes, while the 2nd Edition is only 8 volumes?
In any event Cameron said he likes how the character of Alita starts as a 14 year old girl, and how her personality matures and changes when she switches bodies, effectively "growing up".
He also really likes the themes about family, and what it means to be human.
In any event Cameron said he likes how the character of Alita starts as a 14 year old girl, and how her personality matures and changes when she switches bodies, effectively "growing up".
He also really likes the themes about family, and what it means to be human.
TekkenMaster
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Arnold and James Cameron live webcast any moment now!!!
http://twitter.com/#!/schwarzenegger
http://twitter.com/#!/schwarzenegger
Arnold said:
:lolScullibundo said:
What? All I said was don't be stupid and pretend that wearing t-shirts are a meaningful indicator of anything. Which they're not.
You're the one "butthurt" that others don't worship at Cameron's feet.
You might also notice I haven't touched on Cameron's handling of stories in this thread at all, just my firm belief that he doesn't have it in him to do Alita's action sequences properly. He has never shown an ability or interest in doing the sorts of time/space manipulations that are so often so important to manga, and most certainly to Battle Angel Alita. At most he'll throw a film into slow motion so viewers can marvel at the special effects he's throwing on the screen. So sure, maybe he'll neuter it and redesign that stuff to fit his sensibilities, but that's not something I want to see. I don't care if it's Cameron or some third tier director, I don't want that.
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Arnold as the new badass military guy? WANT.TekkenMaster said:
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My prediction: Arnold is the star of Abudah 2. After the events of Abudah, the Navi go insane, and one of them kidnaps Arnold's daughter. Arnold ventures to Pandora, solo, to get his kid back.
Box office draw: $5 billion
seriously if Arnold is in this in any way I'll be watching day one :lol
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Dan said:
Not butthurt at all. I just don't see why you would imply that his t-shirt wearing was the only means of fandom I was suggesting when it clearly wasn't. But to wear a t-shirt of an obscure manga is pretty damn geeky. And Cameron is a geek.
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Erigu said:
Actually it is the original Japanese series that is 8 volumes. I got that mixed up with the old Viz books (the ones that are flipped for American readers);
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"The CG is soo good."
"But this movie is sooo bad!"
"But the CG is soo GOOD!"
"But this movie is sooo bad!"
"But the CG is soo GOOD!"
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Erigu said:
So since you're just going to continue to selectively read and omit dialogue, I'm just going to reply to Dan, who is at least reasonable in his responses, rather than go around in circles with you.
TekkenMaster
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Anth0ny said:
No video for me...just the logo. Can hear talking though.
edit: video is up now.
Nope, it's 9 volumes as well.TekkenMaster said:
(and it will be 7 volumes for the new edition)
I've read a bunch of interviews and been following Kishiro's blog for a good decade. The guy obviously knows very little about the series.icecream said:
Again, how could he be a "huge fan" who spent "the better part of 15 years" working on that adaptation and not even know about the existence of nine books of the series until the writer mentioned them?
Heh. Bull.Scullibundo said:
Or I would very much like you to show me what I omitted that was so important/relevant, exactly.
I explicitly said it wasn't your only defense. But wearing t-shirts still doesn't inherently demonstrate anything more than an awareness of the character. You can read into it what you will, but it doesn't track logically.Scullibundo said:
I don't think it's particularly obscure.
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