The other scene he mentions is the Quaritch/Selfridge confrontations.Scullibundo said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXLv1-BgStU
The way he talks about it makes me wonder why he didn't just put it in the Extended cut.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXLv1-BgStU
The way he talks about it makes me wonder why he didn't just put it in the Extended cut.
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Scullibundo said:
Ribisi is my favorite actor in Avatar. By far. By farrrrr.
No you didn't, you were too busy looking at the monitor!
I don't have a problem with the Terminator, far from it. It had a nice little time travel plot.Puddles said:
If anything, I'm baffled that the guy behind that plot then went ahead and shat all over it with the sequel. 'Guess he really loves them special effects. Again, 'goes to show where the guy's priorities lie.
I can't say I really care about the Abyss.
And Aliens was entertaining on its own. Just not a very good sequel (better than most of what followed, sure, but that's not saying much).
brandonh83
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Blader5489 said:
I know. He's sooooo good in it.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Dead said:
Keep going keep going kee - stop - STOP - Jesus.
brandonh83
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Scullibundo said:
:lol
See. He moved!
Avatar 2 will be start with Jake being asked to lead the Na'vi, but some other Na'vi who thinks he's more worthy will kill the queen and have Jake think he did it. Jake runs away only to return and help the tribe fight off some evil.
Avatar 3 is actually Avatar 1 1/2 where we see Jake spend his time with two lovable Pandorian animals.
Avatar 3 is actually Avatar 1 1/2 where we see Jake spend his time with two lovable Pandorian animals.
SCULLIBUNDO
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brandonh83 said:
LOOK AT ALL THAT CHEDDAR....UHAUHAHUHA!
SCULLIBUNDO
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Yes, that was in the press release. I'm really hoping he doesn't pull some deux em and brings back Lang's character somehow - as much as I love him. Its pretty much confirmed already that
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Either get Arnold or the Biehn machine in that bitch. Though I do hate it when Biehn is a bad guy.
Grace will make an appearance through Eywa
Either get Arnold or the Biehn machine in that bitch. Though I do hate it when Biehn is a bad guy.
InfiniteNine
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So what is this Battle Angel thing? Is her name Alita?
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Terminator 2 is one of the few 'better than the first movie' movies.
I don't care much about Avatar 2 and 3, but I saw a post trashing T2 and had to throw in my two cents.
I don't care much about Avatar 2 and 3, but I saw a post trashing T2 and had to throw in my two cents.
SCULLIBUNDO
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Dead said:
Its more that I love rooting for Biehn's character. He plays a better hero than bad guy.
InfiniteNine
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Well holy shit he is actually going to work on a Battle Angel Alita movie and it got pushed back for this crap? )<
Wii said:
Never did. Modern copy of Dances With Wolves but with more special effects and less content. 7.5/10. Solid movie, but not worth owning (maybe if I had kids).
Business wise why wouldn't you make sequels. They'll probably suck, but like Star Wars episodes 1-3 they'll make hundreds of millions. And the technology engine is basically 100% reusable is it not? Basically free money.
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aceface said:
I bet Na'vi would be quiet during a movie at a theater.
Humans text, answer their cell phones, laugh at everything, talk loudly, and generally very rudely interrupt the film.
As far as I'm concerned, humans are villains. It's just that Avatar isn't afraid to say it.
So are we coming back with some Agent Orange in the second one or what? I was pretty psyched along with most folks when Avatar came out, caught it in 3D and when it didn't utterly alter my life as Cameron kept assuring me it would I sort of...got over the whole Avatar thing. I gave it another watch at home and fell asleep through several bits of it.
Humans bad, blue people good, mech with giant knife. I get it already. Put your directorial talents to some better use now...
Humans bad, blue people good, mech with giant knife. I get it already. Put your directorial talents to some better use now...
I was reading earlier in this thread and I saw people shitting on Back to the Future 2 & 3.
This makes me sad.
Also to answer this question:
I thought the CG and 3D were amazing, the story not so much. For this reason I think the movie won't be able to stand the test of time. It'll be remembered more for being the movie that ushered in 3D than actually being a good movie.
This makes me sad.
Also to answer this question:
Wii said:
I thought the CG and 3D were amazing, the story not so much. For this reason I think the movie won't be able to stand the test of time. It'll be remembered more for being the movie that ushered in 3D than actually being a good movie.
The original theatrical cut made the Na'vi out to be too docile, but the Special Edition goes a ways to changing the notion thanks some of the additional scenes, especially the scene where the Navi retaliate and massacre a troop of humans in retaliation for the willow glade being bulldozed. The added hunt scene also helps by better establishing them as Warriors.
So yeah, in the theatrical cut, the Na'vi get their sacred ground torn down and just stand around doing nothing until the Humans attack (without provocation), while in the Special Edition they straight up obliterate the Humans they find simply due to those trees, while in the process giving the humans the excuse they needed to attack the tree.
Its kinda funny, its not even that long of a scene, but removing/including it fundamentally changes a key part of the movie.
So yeah, in the theatrical cut, the Na'vi get their sacred ground torn down and just stand around doing nothing until the Humans attack (without provocation), while in the Special Edition they straight up obliterate the Humans they find simply due to those trees, while in the process giving the humans the excuse they needed to attack the tree.
Its kinda funny, its not even that long of a scene, but removing/including it fundamentally changes a key part of the movie.
SCULLIBUNDO
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They should have the next ISV ship that is already on its way to Pandora crash-land in the forest. Jake climbs aboard and finds all the humans inside are coccooned with a nest of eggs in front of them.
I never really got the "Dances with Wolves" thing. The plots are completely different unless you reduce them down to one sentence descriptions. And if you do that, then just about any movie ever made can be a "modern day copy" of some earlier film.
Guy finds a valuable stash belonging to an organized crime syndicate, steals it, and ends up fleeing for his life.
Yep, No Country For Old Men was a modern day copy of True Romance.
Guy finds a valuable stash belonging to an organized crime syndicate, steals it, and ends up fleeing for his life.
Yep, No Country For Old Men was a modern day copy of True Romance.
Puddles said:
Well, Dances with Wolves was the first to come to mind, which was about the time we saw the girl for the first time. She was totally a Native American, and Sully was totally Kevin Costner, and then she invited him over and then conflict with his old kind came up and then fights and battles and misunderstanding, and ended with Sully staying with the Indians, so Dances with Wolves stayed as the main inspiration from my end.
A lot closer than Pocahontas for sure.
Eh, I'm sure Cameron did take cues from it, kinda hard to ignore, but more than anything else, Avatar is an E.R. Burroughs type story, and Cameron has always brought up Burroughs and John Carter as some of the primary inspirations for the film, and its pretty obvious that that is it's most direct lineage.Puddles said:
I mean, Im sure Cameron was thinking more Dejah Thoris, and less Pocahontas, when creating Neytiri.
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Erigu said:
It had better acting, writing, visuals, music, and storytelling than the first movie. Granted, trying to piece the time travel plot together makes it not make sense, but all film requires suspension of disbelief on some level; hell, even with it not making sense, it does a pretty wonderful job of capitalizing on the "no fate but what we make" line from the first movie.
It's not just an impressive action flick; it's one of the few action flicks that crosses the line into the territory of legitimately great art.
Dances with Wolves is a very clear comparison, it even uses the same story element to warrant narration and the admittance of compromise. He writes a journal, we get his voice over, the journal is found and shows his changed stance on the situation, which leads to the battle, the exact same thing happens in Avatar.
Cameron tried to suggest it was closer to At Play In The Field Of The Lord, but I really disagree. The similarities to it are there, but they're also in Dances, and in much greater numbers.
Cameron tried to suggest it was closer to At Play In The Field Of The Lord, but I really disagree. The similarities to it are there, but they're also in Dances, and in much greater numbers.
Story 1: A disillusioned soldier seeks solace and isolation in a remote outpost. After some period of time during which he is completely alone, he meets a band of natives who he eventually comes to befriend. He is so interested that he takes the time to learn their language and culture. He falls in love with one of them. Towards the end of the story, he learns that his people are planning a raid on the natives, and he helps them escape, killing a few of his former people in a brief skirmish.
Story 2: A disabled man is sent to infiltrate a native tribe in order to learn about their weaknesses in preparation for an anticipated battle over mining rights. This forces him to transplant his mind into a body that resembles one of the natives, giving him the ability to walk again. In order to gain their trust, he must train in their ways, which eventually pushes him to not only walk and run, but fly. He keeps jumping back and forth between the two worlds, but eventually he realizes that the world he was sent to help destroy is far more fulfilling to him than the world he came from. He falls in love with one of the natives and defects to her side, helping the natives completely defeat the invading force composed of his former people.
Some similarities there, but a lot more differences. The Pochahontas essay with the words crossed out and replaced was better.
Story 2: A disabled man is sent to infiltrate a native tribe in order to learn about their weaknesses in preparation for an anticipated battle over mining rights. This forces him to transplant his mind into a body that resembles one of the natives, giving him the ability to walk again. In order to gain their trust, he must train in their ways, which eventually pushes him to not only walk and run, but fly. He keeps jumping back and forth between the two worlds, but eventually he realizes that the world he was sent to help destroy is far more fulfilling to him than the world he came from. He falls in love with one of the natives and defects to her side, helping the natives completely defeat the invading force composed of his former people.
Some similarities there, but a lot more differences. The Pochahontas essay with the words crossed out and replaced was better.
Better writing and storytelling?Snowman Prophet of Doom said:
The second half of your sentence doesn't excuse the first half... The first movie was, naturally, also a movie, and its time travel plot "worked". But that time travel model and the ending it led to weren't exactly sequel-friendly, so let's shit on them both with a plot that's a silly rehash, a mere excuse for more chases and explosions (much, much bigger budget).
It sure did a pretty wonderful job at making people believe that line was in the first movie at all.
Whoa.
No. Just no.
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@benparr:
FUCK. YES.
FUCK. YES.
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Expendable. said:@benparr:
FUCK. YES.
We shall see!
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Avatar 2 will be about a new alien species race (planet) attacking Pandora.
Avatar 3 will be about Pandora and Earth working together to defeat the new species.
Avatar 3 will be about Pandora and Earth working together to defeat the new species.
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