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Well Dan, outside of your doubts about how he would visually communicate the world of Battle Angel based on his filmography - none of which include anime adaptations (not that I think he would approach it similarly to The Wachowskis), do you not think he's a decent choice to handle the thematic material itself, given he's dabbled in similar areas?
 
Probably. But given how he nuked the thematic material to it's bare minimum/basics in Avatar, I'd kind of worry about where he would take Battle Angel.

But then again, maybe he wouldn't need to since he wouldn't really expect Battle Angel to be a huge hit that needs to appeal to all the demographics....
 
Erigu said:
Nope, it's 9 volumes as well.
(and it will be 7 volumes for the new edition)

I was confused by this: (from Anime News Network)

Although both releases consisted of 9 graphic novels, the original Viz releases and the original Japanese releases differ slightly in where they are split. In Japan Gunnm was split into roughly equal length volume, while Viz released Alita in story arcs. There are 8 volumes in the story, the third volume is split into two graphic novels. Viz's reprints follow the Japanese volume breaks.

And I was also confused because the Gunnm Complete Edition is 6 graphic novels.

In any case, I love Gunnm...I bought three sketches from the OVA, and I have a rare doujinshi from 1993 called Hyper Future Vision Gunnm. Too bad there really isn't very much quality Battle Angel stuff for sale.
 
Solo said:
Baseless prediction: 2 will be the best of the three.

Not entirely baseless. If only because Cameron's sequels have proven to kick ass, whilst there is still the case of a third film never being the best in a series not filmed concurrently. But then again, Cameron has never done a third film. I could totally see him knowing how to properly go out with a bang on a third film.

But yes, I think now that Pandora has already been set up, the second film is going to be insanely good.
 
Dan said:
I don't think it's particularly obscure.
Battle Angel Alita is pretty obscure. It's not like he's wearing a Naruto or Dragonball t-shirt as how those are 'trendy' nowadays and everyone is aware of them.

Though indeed, that doesn't prove that he's competent with the material. He could have just picked it up because he is working on it and wanted some representation. But the fact that he's aware of it is at least worth something.

Erigu said:
I've read a bunch of interviews and been following Kishiro's blog for a good decade. The guy obviously knows very little about the series.
Again, how could he be a "huge fan" who spent "the better part of 15 years" working on that adaptation and not even know about the existence of nine books of the series until the writer mentioned them?
Because, surprising as it may be, not all fans of a series are die-hard obsessive types. Going from what we know from interviews, I imagine this is how it worked out: del Toro, likely a fan of literary and graphic works, brings Alita to the attention of James Cameron. His first impression is he likes it. He tells Landau, who as producer, means his extent of interest in the series is that 'hey, if my boy Director here likes it, I like it!' to look into it. Landau hires a screenwriter, Laeta Kalogridis, who, as it is (hopefully) the job of a screenwriter to delve deep into the original material of the work they are writing, collaborates with Cameron on the script as they both dive into the world of Alita and come up with something reflective of the work. Landau doesn't care much about the extent of what they're doing, as long as they're doing it. His job is to hype things up and move things along and set things up. That is why in his interview, it shows off that he doesn't know much about Alita, because frankly, I don't think he does, nor cares to. But that doesn't matter.

So why does Cameron not go onscreen and proclaim to the world the virtues and wonders of the manga and prove that his interest is more than just precursory? Because first, he has Avatar on the plate and would rather talk about the wonderful world of Pandora and nature and dancing with wolves. Should Cameron actually get to the point where he's done with Avatar and actually starts up Alita in earnest, I expect more interviews on what his vision for it and what he took from the material. At that point, you are free to engage in your fanboi ranting should his responses not meet your expectations.

Second, who in the mainstream really wants to listen to an analysis and discussion of some random Japanese comic in an interview with Cameron? If they did, the interviewers would have brushed up on it and asked Cameron directly about such aspects.

As for Kishiro's silence and lack of updates on the matter, Cameron holds the right to the movie adaptation. And like most movie adaptations, those who hold the rights are allowed (to the despair of fans sometimes) to twist and tweak the content as they see fit. Sure, it'd be nice if Cameron worked closely with Yukito Kishiro and hashed out a story that's reflective and amazingly representative of the original work, but he doesn't have to. But that doesn't also mean he can't successfully capture such essence to some level by his own. He hasn't even started real work on the movie yet, so why would he bother to hash out and tweak a script that he's not going to even use for another 5-7 years? Once Alita actually starts up in earnest, it is also possible he'll forward a copy and some ideas to Kishiro at that time and see what he thinks, but to expect the author to work closely with him now when Cameron is busy with the Avatar craze is a bit unlogical.

In summary, wait until Alita actually starts filming (if it ever does), then commence the bitter rage.
 
What do you think Cameron's "realistic" CG Alita would look like? Is it possible to maintain her unique facial features without her ending up in the uncanny valley?

Is there any real human celebrity out there who looks like Alita (similar hair, pouty octopus lips, small nose, kind of half-asian looking, etc)? That may give us an idea of what CG Alita's face might look like.
 
icecream said:
Battle Angel Alita is pretty obscure. It's not like he's wearing a Naruto or Dragonball t-shirt as how those are 'trendy' nowadays and everyone is aware of them.

Though indeed, that doesn't prove that he's competent with the material. He could have just picked it up because he is working on it and wanted some representation. But the fact that he's aware of it is at least worth something.


Because, surprising as it may be, not all fans of a series are die-hard obsessive types. Going from what we know from interviews, I imagine this is how it worked out: del Toro, likely a fan of literary and graphic works, brings Alita to the attention of James Cameron. His first impression is he likes it. He tells Landau, who as producer, means his extent of interest in the series is that 'hey, if my boy Director here likes it, I like it!' to look into it. Landau hires a screenwriter, Laeta Kalogridis, who, as it is (hopefully) the job of a screenwriter to delve deep into the original material of the work they are writing, collaborates with Cameron on the script as they both dive into the world of Alita and come up with something reflective of the work. Landau doesn't care much about the extent of what they're doing, as long as they're doing it. His job is to hype things up and move things along and set things up. That is why in his interview, it shows off that he doesn't know much about Alita, because frankly, I don't think he does, nor cares to. But that doesn't matter.

So why does Cameron not go onscreen and proclaim to the world the virtues and wonders of the manga and prove that his interest is more than just precursory? Because first, he has Avatar on the plate and would rather talk about the wonderful world of Pandora and nature and dancing with wolves. Should Cameron actually get to the point where he's done with Avatar and actually starts up Alita in earnest, I expect more interviews on what his vision for it and what he took from the material. At that point, you are free to engage in your fanboi ranting should his responses not meet your expectations.

Second, who in the mainstream really wants to listen to an analysis and discussion of some random Japanese comic in an interview with Cameron? If they did, the interviewers would have brushed up on it and asked Cameron directly about such aspects.

As for Kishiro's silence and lack of updates on the matter, Cameron holds the right to the movie adaptation. And like most movie adaptations, those who hold the rights are allowed (to the despair of fans sometimes) to twist and tweak the content as they see fit. Sure, it'd be nice if Cameron worked closely with Yukito Kishiro and hashed out a story that's reflective and amazingly representative of the original work, but he doesn't have to. But that doesn't also mean he can't successfully capture such essence to some level by his own. He hasn't even started real work on the movie yet, so why would he bother to hash out and tweak a script that he's not going to even use for another 5-7 years? Once Alita actually starts up in earnest, it is also possible he'll forward a copy and some ideas to Kishiro at that time and see what he thinks, but to expect the author to work closely with him now when Cameron is busy with the Avatar craze is a bit unlogical.

In summary, wait until Alita actually starts filming (if it ever does), then commence the bitter rage.

Good, well-thought out post. Kudos.

Though it should be noted he has spent an entire year in pre-production on Alita - he had an entire office in Malibu full of artists doing concept art. They've already done CG tests for Alita as well. It was literally down to the wire out of BA and Avatar as to which he was going to push ahead with first.

You can probably track down the interview with one of the concept artists he hired for many many months and worked with. I remember a great interview where they had painted the entire ceiling of the office with the post-apocalyptic landscape of the world.

As for the post above, I remember reading Cameron (or was it Landau) saying something about one of the reasons for doing the character CG was because for one (or many?) of their scenes they couldn't very well film a naked child.
 
Still have to see the first movie, but i'm not a Cameron's fan, so i don't give too much of a damn.

Though yes, it reminds me of Matrix & Pirates of the Caribbean, with the 1--2&3 deal.
 
So Cameron and Schwarzenegger trolled all their fans and are collaborating on an environmental commercial. Hopefully its Terminator themed.
 
Amazing news. Even better they are planning for 2014, giving plenty of time to deliver a quality followup.

The only real question now is if the story is a separate stand-alone or continuation of Avatar 1.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
Amazing news. Even better they are planning for 2014, giving plenty of time to deliver a quality followup.

The only real question now is if the story is a separate stand-alone or continuation of Avatar 1.


Human's find a new world that is rich with "Raremantium" and they try to uproot the local life to mine it, only to be stopped by one of their own that has been assimilated into the indigenous culture.
 
TekkenMaster said:
I was also confused because the Gunnm Complete Edition is 6 graphic novels.
Oh, right. I forgot about that one.
Anyway, yeah, I don't know where they got the idea it was 8 volumes... ANN is wrong, news at 11.

Too bad there really isn't very much quality Battle Angel stuff for sale.
I'm fine with the comic books themselves, personally... Even if I'm kinda bummed the (admittedly few) color pages were never included (except those of Gunnm Gaiden).
I don't even seen the point in making a movie out of the series... But if they're going to make one, it would be nice if it were directed by someone who actually cares beyond "cyborg girl! Motor Ball! that could make for a cool tech demo!"


icecream said:
Battle Angel Alita is pretty obscure. It's not like he's wearing a Naruto or Dragonball t-shirt as how those are 'trendy' nowadays and everyone is aware of them.
As far as seinen manga go, I'd say it's pretty well known, in the States, actually. It was one of Viz's first big titles, if I remember well.

Though indeed, that doesn't prove that he's competent with the material. He could have just picked it up because he is working on it and wanted some representation. But the fact that he's aware of it is at least worth something.
But... how could he not be aware of it, considering he's supposed to make the movie? I'm not sure what that's supposed to be worth, really...

Going from what we know from interviews, I imagine this is how it worked out: del Toro, likely a fan of literary and graphic works, brings Alita to the attention of James Cameron. His first impression is he likes it. He tells Landau, who as producer, means his extent of interest in the series is that 'hey, if my boy Director here likes it, I like it!' to look into it. Landau hires a screenwriter, Laeta Kalogridis, who, as it is (hopefully) the job of a screenwriter to delve deep into the original material of the work they are writing, collaborates with Cameron on the script as they both dive into the world of Alita and come up with something reflective of the work.
By telling them that there are nine more books.
They bought the damn rights, and didn't even know that. How the hell does that happen?
If anything, that tells me they don't care that much.

I expect more interviews on what his vision for it and what he took from the material. At that point, you are free to engage in your fanboi ranting should his responses not meet your expectations.
My problem isn't that he's not talking much about the series. It's that what he's saying shows that he really doesn't know much about it. He's seen the OVA, knows that there's Motor Ball, dude!, and it appears to be pretty much it. And his memories actually seem a bit on the fuzzy side...

As for Kishiro's silence and lack of updates on the matter
Nah, he talks about it. To say that he has no idea what's going on, supposing something's going on at all.

Sure, it'd be nice if Cameron worked closely with Yukito Kishiro and hashed out a story that's reflective and amazingly representative of the original work, but he doesn't have to. But that doesn't also mean he can't successfully capture such essence to some level by his own. He hasn't even started real work on the movie yet, so why would he bother to hash out and tweak a script that he's not going to even use for another 5-7 years? Once Alita actually starts up in earnest, it is also possible he'll forward a copy and some ideas to Kishiro at that time and see what he thinks
They said they already had a (supposedly "very good") script. Apparently, Cameron wrote it before he started Avatar (i.e. before he made that ludicrous description of Gally).

to expect the author to work closely with him now when Cameron is busy with the Avatar craze is a bit unlogical.
And Kishiro is busy as well. I wouldn't expect a close cooperation on the movie. But considering it's been more than a decade already, I think it's kinda telling that Kishiro himself is in the dark...
 
JB1981 said:
Really don't understand what more there is to mine from this story .......

Apparently both stories are self contained, from what I gather they'll take place on Pandora but probably won't be related to the characters from the first film...

Also you guys know he plans to shoot the second one at the bottom of the ocean right?
 
AceBandage said:
Human's find a new world that is rich with "Raremantium" and they try to uproot the local life to mine it, only to be stopped by one of their own that has been assimilated into the indigenous culture.
lulz etc etc but i think after all the flak the first movie got for its simplistic story, Cameron might actually want to mix things up a bit. I mean the guy probably made enough money to cover the sequel's financing even if they bomb. Might as well do something different at this stage.

The news of it being set underwater is really exciting to me. The 3d in the weightless dark environment would be incredible.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
The only real question now is if the story is a separate stand-alone or continuation of Avatar 1.

From what JC has previously said, it sounds like there will be Avatar, and then there will be the sequels. Meaning that 2 and 3 will be set in the world of Pandora, and feature Jake and Neytiri, but not be linked otherwise to 1, while 2 and 3 will be directly linked. Hate to make comparisons to a crappy trilogy, but think PotC.
 
~Kinggi~ said:
lulz etc etc but i think after all the flak the first movie got for its simplistic story, Cameron might actually want to mix things up a bit. I mean the guy probably made enough money to cover the sequel's financing even if they bomb. Might as well do something different that this stage.

The news of it being set underwater is really exciting to me. The 3d in the weightless dark environment would be incredible.


Honestly, it should be about the Na'vi getting space travel just in time for another race to invade their planet.
 
Solo said:
Baseless prediction: 2 will be the best of the three.

In trilogies, part two's are generally better. Like Empire Strikes Back, Attack of the Clones (debatable, but not to me) and while I disagree personally, a lot of people think TDK is better than Begins.

Also I think Matrix Reloaded is actually better than the first one, the first is probably more solid but I think Reloaded has better action, music, and plot. So yeah, I get where you're coming from. Generally in a trilogy the first is the setup, the second is where pretty much most of the story gets introduced, and the main overall goal is founded. Thirds tie it all up, and most of the time they fumble, like Return of the Jedi and Matrix Revolutions.

About the only instance of a part 3 being better than a part 2 is Return of the King.

Oh man, I know I just typed a lot of things that leave me wide open for attack, but find it in your hearts to forgive.
 
If the plots are truly 100% self-contained I approve of this. I hate these two-parters with a cliffhanger in the middle
 
brandonh83 said:
In trilogies, part two's are generally better. Like Empire Strikes Back, Attack of the Clones (debatable, but not to me) and while I disagree personally, a lot of people think TDK is better than Begins.

Also I think Matrix Reloaded is actually better than the first one, the first is probably more solid but I think Reloaded has better action, music, and plot. So yeah, I get where you're coming from. Generally in a trilogy the first is the setup, the second is where pretty much most of the story gets introduced, and the main overall goal is founded. Thirds tie it all up, and most of the time they fumble, like Return of the Jedi and Matrix Revolutions.

About the only instance of a part 3 being better than a part 2 is Return of the King.

Oh man, I know I just typed a lot of things that leave me wide open for attack, but find it in your hearts to forgive.

I love ya brandon, but I disagree in almost every case here :lol
- Empire I agree with
- all three prequels suck, but Phantom sucks the least
- The Matrix destroys the ever living shit out of its sequels
- FOTR similarly reams its sequels
 
jett said:
If the plots are truly 100% self-contained I approve of this. I hate these two-parters with a cliffhanger in the middle

See, I actually don't. But like I just wrote above, part 2's generally lay out the story and tell you what the overall goal is going to be for the characters, so in that instance it's hard to tell an ongoing story without the second part feeling like a cliffhanger-- because it is. Dark Knight was no different.

Solo said:
I love ya brandon, but I disagree in almost every case here :lol
- Empire I agree with
- all three prequels suck, but Phantom sucks the least
- The Matrix destroys the ever living shit out of its sequels
- FOTR similarly reams its sequels

Fair enough! FOTR and ROTK are about equal to me, but note that I said that ROTK was better than TTT, never said anything about FOTR.

And I guess I just don't simply think the first Matrix is as amazing as everyone else, I love it but it seems to be up on a pedestal for some, it's not some untouchable flick to me so maybe that's why I had an easier time enjoying Reloaded more. I dunno. I felt there was more going on story-wise and I found the action to be much better.

Finally, I could never agree that Phantom Menace is the best prequel. I like it but Clones and Sith were far better to me in every conceivable category.
 
jett said:
If the plots are truly 100% self-contained I approve of this. I hate these two-parters with a cliffhanger in the middle
Cameron has been saying for months that he didn't want to do what Pirates and Matrix did. He wants to make sure the 2nd film can be seen as a standalone film (while obviously pushing forward elements that will be picked up in the 3rd film)
 
Dead said:
Cameron has been saying for months that he didn't want to do what Pirates and Matrix did. He wants to make sure the 2nd film can be seen as a standalone film (while obviously pushing forward elements that will be picked up in the 3rd film)

Exactly. To make another recent comparison that might be more apt, Im thinking of Avatar 2 and 3 being like Guy Ritchie's Sherlock Holmes 1 and 2. SH was a self contained movie, but played up the Moriarty angle throughout, and now SH2 will focus on him. No reason what Avatar 2 can't do the same thing. Focus on conflict X while setting up conflict Y in the background.
 
I wonder what the budget will be?

It would be pretty awesome if Cameron could get a 400 Million budget for each film. They'll make up the budget for both movies with Avatar 2 alone either way, hell they could not release the movie in America and it would still make back that budget :P
 
Erigu said:
As far as seinen manga go, I'd say it's pretty well known, in the States, actually. It was one of Viz's first big titles, if I remember well.
Perhaps big back in the day when the manga market was niche. But honestly, are you expecting a typical consumer or a general anime/manga fan to know of Alita moreso than popularized shounen series?

But... how could he not be aware of it, considering he's supposed to make the movie? I'm not sure what that's supposed to be worth, really...
The idea is that it's not tossed in the back of his mind as an after thought. Again, that doesn't mean much, but it means something.

By telling them that there are nine more books.
They bought the damn rights, and didn't even know that. How the hell does that happen?
If anything, that tells me they don't care that much.
If anything, that tells me that Landau doesn't care at all for the series, and just goes along with it because Cameron says so. Cameron did not say that himself, and Landau may have just been speaking for himself. Who's to say what the real situation is at this point?

He's seen the OVA, knows that there's Motor Ball, dude!, and it appears to be pretty much it. And his memories actually seem a bit on the fuzzy side...
Again, what opportunity has there really been for him to elaborate on the series? It's not in the forefront of his movie making agenda right now, so it's probably not going to be at the forefront of his discussions either. 'Yeah I love it, I read the manga, watched the OVA, it's all cool.' It shows he's aware of the franchise and that he's perused the material, and that is enough for now until Alita actually becomes his primary project. You don't seriously think he's going to make a movie trilogy based off the first volume and the OVA alone and still try to call it Alita, do you? What more are you expecting out of him?

Nah, he talks about it. To say that he has no idea what's going on, supposing something's going on at all.
That is what I mean. His silence on the matter meaning that he has been left in the dark. Cameron wrote something up without him for use at a later date, and doesn't have an obligation to collaborate with him at every step. Whether he will or not, is something to see in the future.

I think it's kinda telling that Kishiro himself is in the dark...
Honestly, I don't expect the film to be made at all, but if it was made, I do not expect it to be a product that gives egregious offense to the source material and its fans. Time will tell.
 
Dead said:
I wonder what the budget will be?

It would be pretty awesome if Cameron could get a 400 Million budget for each film. They'll make up the budget for both movies with Avatar 2 alone either way, hell they could not release the movie in America and it would still make back that budget :P

400 mill each? :lol Not even if they rendered the CG at 48fps..
 
jett said:
400 mill each? :lol Maybe they could get close if they actually render the CG at 48fps..
Cameron is the most powerful man in Hollywood now. He needs to take advantage of that and do something that no one else will ever be able to replicate. Everything should look like Mickey Mouse bullshit in comparison to Avatar 2 and 3. There's no reason for that not to be the case.
 
AceBandage said:
There's only one Avatar that's coming out that I'm interested in.
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Well she's got enough blue, but where are the cat ears?
 
Dead said:
Cameron is the most powerful man in Hollywood now. He needs to take advantage of that and do something that no one else will ever be able to replicate. Everything should look like Mickey Mouse bullshit in comparison to Avatar 2 and 3. There's no reason for that not to be the case.

Why the hell would each movie need 400 million for?
 
Dead said:
Cameron is the most powerful man in Hollywood now. He needs to take advantage of that and do something that no one else will ever be able to replicate. Everything should look like Mickey Mouse bullshit in comparison to Avatar 2 and 3. There's no reason for that not to be the case.

I don't know about $400m each, but I could see each film getting at least $250m each considering that is what the Hobbit is getting for each part.

I will say that since a lot of the tech is already there, $250m each would be my (starting) estimate. The difference being that with Cameron you'll see every dollar on screen.

I'd say it would peak at $350m each after (Cameron) inflation.

What I'm hoping for is that Cameron works out something with IMAX analogue theatres to fix their goddamn projectors so he doesn't have to cut shit out to make the runtime.
 
400 is wishful thinking, but I would certainly hope that each movie gets at least 300 Million.

I mean, the budget for Avatar 1 was pretty much 250 mil

IMAX will have to improve their projectors when Titanic 3D comes out anyways. The movie is 200 minutes long (it sure as hell isn't a Chris Nolan film that will require IMAX to improve ;P )
 
Dead said:
400 is wishful thinking, but I would certainly hope that each movie gets at least 300 Million.

I mean, the budget for Avatar 1 was pretty much 250 mil

If Cameron does get his wish of 48fps, expect a sizeable increase in the development costs. Rendering double the frames for film prints doesn't come cheap.
 
Scullibundo said:
So Cameron and Schwarzenegger trolled all their fans and are collaborating on an environmental commercial. Hopefully its Terminator themed.
It's not Terminator themed. It's basically Cameron namedropping his films and characters a dozen times and saying two Texas oil companies are trying to fuck California. Then Arnold pops in and wants to know why Cameron calls him a cyborg. They weirdly laugh and hold on that for uncomfortably long. It feels like they filmed a bunch of endings and just let Arnold improv his little comment, and they went with one where they both cracked up and broke character.

Honestly, it feels more like an ad for Cameron than the opposition to Prop 23. Maybe enough people will just agree with it because they like Cameron, which seems like the idea.

Scullibundo said:
Well Dan, outside of your doubts about how he would visually communicate the world of Battle Angel based on his filmography - none of which include anime adaptations (not that I think he would approach it similarly to The Wachowskis), do you not think he's a decent choice to handle the thematic material itself, given he's dabbled in similar areas?
I'm not sure the themes are that similar at all really. Superficially there's lots of technology and some dealing with a sort of apocalypse. I don't think it's particularly deep material - I think it's the action and related aesthetics that really make it special - but it's about identity, defining humanity and abstract class warfare. Cameron's bluntness isn't necessarily a terrible thing with those, at least in terms of faithfulness.

But at the end of the day, I'm not sure what Cameron's voice even is. I found Avatar void of thrills and world and story so problematic. He had some bigger ambitions in themes in that one, but he's gotten no better at exploring that stuff since his early days. At least then his thematic ambitions were low, then I didn't find myself wanting. Or perhaps, or additionally, I've just grown out of his sensibilities.
 
bakemono said:
YES to Avatar 2.
Unsure about back to back filming.
And 2014, still so far away.

What's funny is that whilst 2014 feels far away, the part of me that waited so long for Avatar feels like its gonna be rushed.
 
Scullibundo said:
What's funny is that whilst 2014 feels far away, the part of me that waited so long for Avatar feels like its gonna be rushed.
5 years between movies will be longer than any other recent Blockbuster sequel.

Sick of studios shitting out awful sequels in 2 years, like Iron Man 2. Garbage movie through and through, but could have easily been better with more time (and less Marvel tinkering, but thats another issue)
 
Cameron needs to keep his word and push for at least 48fps.
He's the one director in Hollywood who could release a film in that format and push to change the standard for shooting and projection. And really, pushing the adoption of 48fps is a much more noble and exciting goal than pushing 3D.
Plus, it gives Avatar 2 it's techno-hook.
 
Lots of people trying to score critic points by bashing the film. Hate to burst your bubble guys, but no one is going to think of you as connoiseurs with impeccable taste just because you can make the Dances With Wolves/Pocahontas comparison.
 
icecream said:
Perhaps big back in the day when the manga market was niche. But honestly, are you expecting a typical consumer or a general anime/manga fan to know of Alita moreso than popularized shounen series?
Er... No, of course not, but... do you remember why we were talking about that? ^^;

If anything, that tells me that Landau doesn't care at all for the series, and just goes along with it because Cameron says so. Cameron did not say that himself, and Landau may have just been speaking for himself. Who's to say what the real situation is at this point?
Yeah, maybe Landau misspoke. But then again, who's to say he did?
And when Cameron describes Gally as "this little girl that everybody kind of ignores" years after he rewrote Kalogridis' script, that doesn't exactly inspire confidence...

'Yeah I love it, I read the manga, watched the OVA, it's all cool.' It shows he's aware of the franchise and that he's perused the material
(again, I'm not sure how simply being aware of the franchise he's supposed to be adapting is anything other than unavoidable...)
His comments about the main character don't do much to convince me that he's actually read the manga (as in, all of it), or even remembers / cares about what he read... If anything, it fits more with Landau's comments above...

You don't seriously think he's going to make a movie trilogy based off the first volume and the OVA alone and still try to call it Alita, do you?
I... don't even know why you're asking me that, sorry. ^^;
But I just don't think turning Gunnm into a movie, or even a movie trilogy, is a good idea in the first place... If anything, it should be a series, in my opinion.

Cameron wrote something up without him for use at a later date, and doesn't have an obligation to collaborate with him at every step.
Sure, but if the script is already done... I dunno, I'd call that a pretty big step. Some feedback from the author might be interesting, for a "huge fan".

Honestly, I don't expect the film to be made at all, but if it was made, I do not expect it to be a product that gives egregious offense to the source material and its fans.
If it gets made... I expect an impressive tech demo, an entertaining-but-not-that-great movie (see: Cameron's entire filmography), and a poor adaptation.
"Cool, Cameron came up with the technology to make a good Gunnm movie! ... Too bad he went ahead and fucked that up already."
 
Krev said:
Cameron needs to keep his word and push for at least 48fps.
He's the one director in Hollywood who could release a film in that format and push to change the standard for shooting and projection. And really, pushing the adoption of 48fps is a much more noble and exciting goal than pushing 3D.
Plus, it gives Avatar 2 it's techno-hook.
I really hope so as well.

The 3D IMAX Avatar was one of the most immersive movies Ive ever seen, going the 48fps route would take care of all the blurring problems and would make it only better.
 
Solo said:
I love ya brandon, but I disagree in almost every case here :lol
- Empire I agree with
- all three prequels suck, but Phantom sucks the least
- The Matrix destroys the ever living shit out of its sequels

Spot on. As for FOTR, it's better than the sequels. But it doesn't destroy them at all. In fact, at times The Two Towers comes out better than FOTR for me. And ROTK is not as good as either two, but still not comparable to ROTJ, Revolutions, ROTS etc.

Free abbreviations for everybody!
 
:lol at calling Cameron's entire filmography "tech demos".

Seriously, if you want to score taste-points, you'd be better off going into a movie thread and talking about the movies you do like rather than the ones you don't.
 
Puddles said:
:lol at calling Cameron's entire filmography "tech demos".
I actually said "impressive tech demo" and "entertaining-but-not-that-great movie".
And yeah, that's what I think. Sorry.

Seriously, if you want to score taste-points
Yeah, no use looking for them here, I know.
 
Oh man I can't wait to see all the deleted scenes. The Ribisi and Lang scenes. Fucking all of them. This blu release is going to be epic.
 
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