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[Wickerbasket]

Okay I need to know just why the game is getting such incredible hatred. Most of the time, every big-name game gets shit on but this is a new level and makes even less sense when you consider Starcraft II came out unscathed.

From my experience, gamers only get too vocal over the much fewer issues than the successes of a game. So what is it in this case.

They made a loot game where the itemisation system and loot are shit. This game also happened to be the sequel to one of the best loot games ever made.

 

[King Boo]

oh so this was the guy that ruined d3 for me?

better avoid whatever game he's working on next now.

 

[Perkel]

Okay I need to know just why the game is getting such incredible hatred. Most of the time, every big-name game gets shit on but this is a new level and makes even less sense when you consider Starcraft II came out unscathed.

From my experience, gamers only get too vocal over the much fewer issues than the successes of a game. So what is it in this case.

That is what you get when you go from pinacle of loot based arpg (diablo2) to horrible design (diablo3).

Literary dev team were noobs in creation of arpg game they developed few ideas because it will look cool but at the same time it didn't work mechanically. Diablo3 is one of shittiest loot based arpg i had chance to play. No because contented wasn't there but because mechanics in the game were poor and almost all problems came from that.

 

[Anoregon]

Cool, maybe it can be a better game in the future under another direction.

That's the hope. Best case scenario is a new director who actually understands what made D2 so successful, and turns that knowledge into some fairly significant overhauls for the inevitable expansion release.

 

[Returners]

...

Item systems and mechanic in D3:

* your damage output is solely dependent on your weapon's DPS. This was a critical design error that was done to streamline the game but in turn made customization a complete joke.

...

My main problem with the game.

 

[Anoregon]

Diablo3 is one of shittiest loot based arpg i had chance to play. No because contented wasn't there but because mechanics in the game were poor and almost all problems came from that.

This. The Diablo franchise practically invented the loot-bonanza ARPG genre, and Diablo 3 just does that aspect of the game so fucking poorly. The fundamental mechanics of the game that govern character strength, item strength, and how the two interact just aren't well-thought out, inspired, and most importantly, fun

 

[Folstern]

Aren't you thankful?

I suppose throwing him under the bus will help the sales of the inevitable expansion. Please let Chris Metzen be relegated to barrel artwork next, I think we've all had enough of his writing.

 

[antitrop]

lol, was is that bad Heavy?

I don't play any of those games.

For reference:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=487695

 

[Row]

Okay I need to know just why the game is getting such incredible hatred. Most of the time, every big-name game gets shit on but this is a new level and makes even less sense when you consider Starcraft II came out unscathed.

From my experience, gamers only get too vocal over the much fewer issues than the successes of a game. So what is it in this case.

Why wouldn't Starcraft 2? The splitting of each race's campaign into separate games can definitely be seen with some contempt, but the core gameplay is rock solid and faithful to what the series is about.

In comparison, the core gameplay of Diablo was shit all over. Loot system is garbage and meant to funnel players into the real money auction house. All they seemed to care about was trying to create a constant revenue stream from users, and it ruined the game.

 

[maabus1999]

So he ruined a Blizzard franchise and now he is going to double it. Fantastic.

 

[Valnen]

That's the hope. Best case scenario is a new director who actually understands what made D2 so successful, and turns that knowledge into some fairly significant overhauls for the inevitable expansion release.

Blizzard has shown it's not afraid of scrapping or completely redesigning failed game systems in expansions or even patches. I'm confident the game will be fixed given time. It's not a matter of if, but when.

 

[Freki]

YES!!! - Fuck that loser!

Spoiler

I know I have been beaten already - but he deserves this so very much

No my hype level for the expansion is through the roof again - don't dissapoint me a second time Blizzard!!!

edit: and I feel sorry for whatever project he will be ruining next... this guy has no clue what fun is...

 

[Valnen]

So he ruined a Blizzard franchise and now he is going to double it. Fantastic.

Why are people assuming everything he touches will turn to shit when he's not a bad game designer?

 

[antitrop]

Why wouldn't Starcraft 2? The splitting of each race's campaign into separate games can definitely be seen with some contempt, but the core gameplay is rock solid and faithful to what the series is about.

In comparison, the core gameplay of Diablo was shit all over. Loot system is garbage and meant to funnel players into the real money auction house. All they seemed to care about was trying to create a constant revenue stream from users, and it ruined the game.

If they tried to put all three campaigns into 1 game of StarCraft II it would have been extremely detrimental to the overall product. Or it just never would have even come out in the first place.

 

[Duxxy3]

So he ruined a Blizzard franchise and now he is going to double it. Fantastic.

Blizzard has a history of doing that.

Greg Street STILL has a job and his game lost 25% of its user base under his watch.

 

[michaelius]

D3 was fun game - pity that they ruined it for whiny losers who couldn't finish inferno.

 

[antitrop]

Blizzard has a history of doing that.

I don't understand this sentiment at all.
What did they fuck up, other than Diablo III? Mists of Panderia, maybe? I dunno, I'm not into WoW, but I find it hard to believe that 1 minor expansion pack 8 years into a game's life can ruin a franchise.

Why the Blizz hate?

 

[Wickerbasket]

Why are people assuming everything he touches will turn to shit when he's not a bad game designer?

Are you Jay Wilson?

 

[Valnen]

Blizzard has a history of doing that.

Greg Street STILL has a job and his game lost 25% of its user base under his watch.

Probably because the game is still one of the most successful on the market and Pandaria was actually good.

 

[Darkflight]

A few weeks would bring us to 6 months after his comment which seems like a likely time period HR would require him to stay on D3 while they found another role for him.

 

[Zzoram]

Surprised they didn't can him for the negative reception and the crashing player numbers soon after launch.

 

[kitzkozan]

So he ruined a Blizzard franchise and now he is going to double it. Fantastic.

Blizzard is just as guilty if they knew he had no fucking clues about rpg mechanics to begin with.

That being said, I expect the expansion to fix the game properly. If Blizzard doesn't make the same mistake twice and actually appoint a lead designer who fucking know a thing or two about rpg mechanics and loot games. :]

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

sweet I will preorder the xp day 1 now.

Blizzard is just as guilty if they knew he had no fucking clues about rpg mechanics to begin with.

That being said, I expect the expansion to fix the game properly. If Blizzard doesn't make the same mistake twice and actually appoint a lead designer who fucking know a thing or two about rpg mechanics and loot games. :]

wouldnt the gaming world implode if they brought in blizzard north guys for the xp?

 

[antitrop]

Surprised they didn't can him for the negative reception and the crashing player numbers soon after launch.

Because the game sold an insane amount of copies?

 

[Wickerbasket]

Blizzard is just as guilty if they knew he had no fucking clues about rpg mechanics to begin with.

That being said, I expect the expansion to fix the game properly. If Blizzard doesn't make the same mistake twice and actually appoint a lead designer who fucking know a thing or two about rpg mechanics and loot games. :]

Seriously, if they fix the itemisation and loot I'll be the first one to jump right back in. It's my main complaint about the game.

Because the game sold an insane amount of copies?

Due to the legacy of Diablo 2, which the game pretty much ruined.

 

[Valnen]

Are you Jay Wilson?

Have you not played Dawn of War? It's a fantastic game. Seriously people, the hate on this guy is just overboard as fuck, you're making yourselves look like raving lunatics. If I have to tell you this then you know you're being bad.

 

[KKRT00]

He cant be sane anymore after playing Diablo 3 almost daily for 7 years.

 

[Freki]

Why are people assuming everything he touches will turn to shit when he's not a bad game designer?

D3 got back on the track after they did a 180 on most of their design decisions - Jay's decisions for the most part I suspect, as he was the lead designer.
This man just doesn't know how fun works...

 

[Duxxy3]

I don't understand this sentiment at all.
What did they fuck up, other than Diablo III? Mists of Panderia, maybe? I dunno, I'm not into WoW, but I find it hard to believe that 1 minor expansion pack 8 years into a game's life can ruin a franchise.

Why the Blizz hate?

Cataclysm. Universally hated expansion that lost over 3 million subscriptions.

If i was in charge of a franchise and profits were down 25-30%, i would be fired in a heart beat.

 

[Perkel]

Blizzard has shown it's not afraid of scrapping or completely redesigning failed game systems in expansions or even patches. I'm confident the game will be fixed given time. It's not a matter of if, but when.

You do realize that they need literary scrap all their systems ? Because each of them is connected.

If they want to change skill damage scaling of weapon then they need to change whole skill system adding probably levels of skills and at the same time they would need to change their weapon mechanics. That's half of game.

They can fine tune things repair windows, make staircase, better furniture but problem is that foundations are bad.

Also lol at people considering dev team was responsible for smashing success of Diablo 3.

Diablo 2 sold almost 20 mln coppies
Diablo: Battle Chest was best selling PC game....... in 2008

Still today there are thousands of players which play Diablo 2.


If they would give diablo 3 to monkeys and released it as box without game still 10 mln people would bought it. Especially after all those good reviews which didn't point anything wrong with the game.

 

[Valnen]

Cataclysm. Universally hated expansion that lost over 3 million subscriptions.

If i was in charge of a franchise and profits were down 25-30%, i would be fired in a heart beat.

The funny thing is they did what players asked for in Cataclysm, they made the game harder. Then players did a complete reversal and said they didn't want a hard game.

 

[Wickerbasket]

Have you not played Dawn of War? It's a fantastic game. Seriously people, the hate on this guy is just overboard as fuck, you're making yourselves look like raving lunatics. If I have to tell you this then you know you're being bad.

Diablo 3 is the most recent game he has worked on, and he completely fucked up the most basics of the genre.

Why are you so invested in this thread? If you don't like it then don't post in it, no need to get all worked up.

 

[Card Boy]

I don't understand this sentiment at all.
What did they fuck up, other than Diablo III? Mists of Panderia, maybe? I dunno, I'm not into WoW, but I find it hard to believe that 1 minor expansion pack 8 years into a game's life can ruin a franchise.

Why the Blizz hate?

I don't play WOW but I will say they only release 1 or 2 patches between expansions and they have the ordacity to charge for expansions. If that isn't a scam I don't know what is, It's triple dipping. I was told by nerds the purpose of a monthly fee is for content updates and server costs.

 

[Vio-Lence]

good riddance, the game can only improve.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Fuck that loser.

stayed longer than most players

boom goes the dynamite.

 

[J-Rzez]

Assuming he's going to move onto "Titan", good luck with that Blizzard. I mean, they tore apart the team on that how many times now, not to mention rebuilt the core of the game?

 

[Valnen]

Why are you so invested in this thread? If you don't like it then don't post in it, no need to get all worked up.

I'm getting worked up because people are being dumb and I know Neogaf is better than this.

 

[antitrop]

Assuming he's going to move onto "Titan", good luck with that Blizzard. I mean, they tore apart the team on that how many times now, not to mention rebuilt the core of the game?

Best hopes is that they tell us something significant about it at Blizzcon this year.

 

[Duxxy3]

The funny thing is they did what players asked for in Cataclysm, they made the game harder. Then players did a complete reversal and said they didn't want a hard game.

Yeah, i don't remember ever asking for that.

 

[Anoregon]

You do realize that they need literary scrap all their systems ? Because each of them is connected.

If they want to change skill damage scaling of weapon then they need to change whole skill system adding probably levels of skills and at the same time they would need to change their weapon mechanics. That's half of game.

They can fine tune things repair windows, make staircase, better furniture but problem is that foundations are bad.

Yeah, that's the Big Problem(tm.) Properly fixing itemization so that there are meaningful diverse stats beyond DPS and a half dozen others means totally revamping how both stats and skills work. It also means totally revamping the gem system, because lets face it, the socketable mechanics in D3 isn't even a shadow of those in D2.

It's a lot of work, and would probably be the biggest change to a game's mechanics post-launch this side of FF14.

 

[hym]

Surprised they didn't can him for the negative reception and the crashing player numbers soon after launch.

We don't know what kind of battles went on behind the scenes, Blizzard clearly attached a lot of value to the auction house concept and cutting out the middle man's percentage to the degree that it would appear that their entire item mechanic was tailored to suit this economy. For all we know some of the most destructive aspects to Diablo 3's quality may have originated from the executive level.

Of course just going by what he said to the press it would seem like he didn't get what people want either, I lost all sympathy after him shitting on the original creator. I'm sure it contributed to this outcome but if Blizzard wanted to protect their integrity they should have gotten rid of him quicker instead of keeping him around to use him as the scapegoat for their PvP debacle.

 

[Duxxy3]

Best hopes is that they tell us something significant about it at Blizzcon this year.

Still have 2 more WoW expansions left (minimum), so i wouldn't expect anything.

 

[NeededSleep]

Game sold well, but hurt the brand name overall pretty bad I would say. I think I was hoping it wasnt his decision that he moves on. But Jay staying employed and given another project within Blizzard is really stupid move by their leadership.

 

[Valnen]

Yeah, i don't remember ever asking for that.

You must not have been on the forums much during WotLK then, there was a lot of bitching about how the game was too easy. A lot. Pretty much every thread that talked about difficulty talked about how easy WoW was. Blizzard addressed that and then people bitched even louder. No win situation.

You do realize that they need literary scrap all their systems ? Because each of them is connected.

If they want to change skill damage scaling of weapon then they need to change whole skill system adding probably levels of skills and at the same time they would need to change their weapon mechanics. That's half of game.

They can fine tune things repair windows, make staircase, better furniture but problem is that foundations are bad.

Blizzard is pretty well known for being willing to scrap things and redo them. Even post release.

 

[Kalnos]

We don't know what kind of battles went on behind the screens, Blizzard clearly attached a lot of value to the auction house concept and cutting out the middle man's percentage to the degree that it would appear that their entire item mechanic was tailored to suit this economy. For all we know some of the most destructive aspects to Diablo 3's quality originated from the executive level.

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[ThatStupidLion]

ruined years of my dreams in one fell swoop.

goodriddance... may he not work on any game i play agian.

 

[Deadly]

You do realize that they need literary scrap all their systems ? Because each of them is connected.

If they want to change skill damage scaling of weapon then they need to change whole skill system adding probably levels of skills and at the same time they would need to change their weapon mechanics. That's half of game.

They can fine tune things repair windows, make staircase, better furniture but problem is that foundations are bad.

I wouldn't put too much hopes on the expansion for this sole reason.

 

[Duxxy3]

You must not have been on the forums much during WotLK then, there was a lot of bitching about how the game was too easy. A lot. Pretty much every thread that talked about difficulty talked about how easy WoW was.

Yeah, i was busy actually playing the game.

That stopped for the majority of cataclysm.

 

[Wickerbasket]

I'm getting worked up because people are being dumb and I know Neogaf is better than this.

A lot of people feel he managed to fuck up the basics of the genre in Diablo 3, so I can see why they wouldn't want him working on any other of their favourite franchises.

Considering how big of a fuck up Diablo 3 was, along with the PR disasters, I'm surprised he still has a job.

 

[Deadstar]

I really hate the auction house with a passion. It seems like that is the reason cool stuff doesn't drop in game. I have found ZERO set items after hours and hours of play and no uniques in one playthrough. There should be lower level uniques in the beginning difficulties to make it fun. I guess they don't want to lower the real money cost of these things selling in the auction house? I have no clue but I hope the Diablo 3 expansions fix this stuff. I will never buy anything from the auction house, whether it be for real money or for in game gold.

The fun is finding items, not buying them.