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Jeff Green plays Resident Evil HD Remaster - Black Dragon vs reREmake
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Treechopper
Member
Watching this live finally. How long did it take him to do Dark Souls? lol
Treechopper
Member
Glad he's finally going easy mode. I've enjoyed watching him, but it's also frustrating seeing him getting constantly tripped up on things that aren't central to what makes the game interesting.
Jeff REALLY needs to just try switching to an easier mode. He's repeatedly said he finds the combat tedious and would love it if he could just explore and solve the puzzles. That's exactly what easier difficulties offer.
He did switch to easy though didn't he..?
Mystery-white-boy
Member
I'm glad Jeff saw my message in the chat - I couldn't face seeing him run the bloody dog gauntlet over and over again, so advised him to reconsider and check his map. In case he pops his head in here again... Hi Jeff! And you're welcome. ;-)
No, he's still on hard/normal.
He tried the medium difficulty off cam, but then reverted back for the stream.
EarsOfASnake
Member
I think a lot of Jeffs navigation issues would be negated by switching to the type E controls. I am currently playing this again and having a button that just moves you forward independent of direction was a big help. Especially going round corners and when you just need to get out of trouble. Enjoying the stream though.
especially considering he's using a 360 controller, I can't imagine using anything else
This has been suggested tons of times and sadly gets drowned out by people insisting that the controls that mirror the original Playstation version are the best. I can't help but think most of them never used Type E (Type C on GCN) because the remaster is their first experience with REmake.
EarsOfASnake
Member
That's a shame, I think it helps smooth out the issues that tank controls can have.
John Caboose
Member
Just wanna thank Jeff (or John Caboose?) for being quick with the YT uploads, twitch is unwatchable for me
It's cool man. I try to upload as soon as I can. Right after the stream if it is euro-friendly. Part 4b should be uploading now.
MrS
Banned
He doesn't help himself and runs in to a lot of problems by forgetting where things are. He needs to draw a map and write down the specific item locations. He's pretty wasteful with that shotgun too.
Aces&Eights
Member
Love Jeff. Watched the couple videos he has and was loving it. I can't wait to see what happens when he finally meets a crimson, lol. The poor guy is having trouble just turning Jill around a corner.
lol, yeah, I kept yelling at my monitor to SAVE AMMO. The guy is rambo on Mansion F1. I don't think he knows that all the dead bodies he creates are going to come back to haunt him lol
Double Edit: Anyone who hasn't watched his PT walktrough really needs to. Lol, he gets so pissed at how recondite it is and then when shaky lady gets him he loses his shit and it's white socks straight up in the air. I love Jeff.
lol, yeah, I kept yelling at my monitor to SAVE AMMO. The guy is rambo on Mansion F1. I don't think he knows that all the dead bodies he creates are going to come back to haunt him lol
Double Edit: Anyone who hasn't watched his PT walktrough really needs to. Lol, he gets so pissed at how recondite it is and then when shaky lady gets him he loses his shit and it's white socks straight up in the air. I love Jeff.
Whatever happens, Jeff should not switch to easy until a week before Bloodborne comes out. If he can't beat normal by then, he can switch to easy and beat the game in two or three streams. The hardest part of the game is the early game when you are weak and do not have powerful weapons and are unsure of where items are. Once he gets more shotgun ammo + more powerful weapons and he can forget about the handgun, most of the combat difficulty will subside.
Jeff's problem is that he doesn't seem to want to load an earlier save and redo sections with knowledge gained from his exploration. He's having trouble killing the dogs, so maybe he should load a game from before he wasted all his shotgun ammo, or when he realizes that the map is telling him there are items in the 'dog gauntlet' hallway, he should load a game before the dogs busted through or
and search for items. He also found that he forgot a clip of handgun bullets in the mirror hallway, so he'd have enough ammo to kill the dogs.
Plus, him switching to easy isn't going to help when he shouts several times that he is going to die to dogs when he has two items in his inventory that will heal him to full that he refuses to use and then corners a dog and fires several shots into the air. That will result in his death even on easy.
What I really think Jeff needs to do is offstream, restart on normal again or load an earlier save and get back to where he was, but this time make sure he picks up all the items he's missed. Him taking breaks from streaming isn't helping him remember where all the items are or where he needs to go.
In fact, since he doesn't want to take notes on stream I'll just take the notes for all the things he has found / discovered / should remember. Might not be fully complete.
Jeff's problem is that he doesn't seem to want to load an earlier save and redo sections with knowledge gained from his exploration. He's having trouble killing the dogs, so maybe he should load a game from before he wasted all his shotgun ammo, or when he realizes that the map is telling him there are items in the 'dog gauntlet' hallway, he should load a game before the dogs busted through or
enter that hallway from the front entrance hall side so the dogs don't bust through
Plus, him switching to easy isn't going to help when he shouts several times that he is going to die to dogs when he has two items in his inventory that will heal him to full that he refuses to use and then corners a dog and fires several shots into the air. That will result in his death even on easy.
What I really think Jeff needs to do is offstream, restart on normal again or load an earlier save and get back to where he was, but this time make sure he picks up all the items he's missed. Him taking breaks from streaming isn't helping him remember where all the items are or where he needs to go.
In fact, since he doesn't want to take notes on stream I'll just take the notes for all the things he has found / discovered / should remember. Might not be fully complete.
Dining Room
Emblem above fireplace (don't know what to do with it, probably shouldn't pick it up until then)
Blue gem falls here after breaking the statue on 2f dining room (don't know what to do with this yet)
Kenneth / First Zombie Hallway
Tape on Kenneth's body
Doorway downstairs leads to kitchen locked by sword key
Door behind Kenneth's body leads to crow stairwell
Crow Stairwell
HANDGUN AMMO plus green herbs
2F Mirror Hallway
Green herb on ground
Arrow for crypt puzzle
HANDGUN AMMO in front of mirror at end of hallway
Door straight across from crow stairwell leads to the key trap room
2F Dining Room
Dagger on shelf
Statue with blue gem can be pushed off to dining room below
Locked door leads to 2F Hallway (to dog whistle balcony)
Front Hall
Don't open front door (lets in dogs)
Door behind bottom of stairs locked
Graveyard / Crypt
Not all items recovered
Use arrowhead to unlock crypt and acquire the sword key
1F Map Statue room
Map on top of statue
Dagger in back room awakens zombie when picked up
Dog Gauntlet Hallway
Not all items picked up
1F East Hallway
Locked door leads outside to fertalizer + herbs (lock pick)
Bathroom with zombie in bathtub
Door at end of hall leads to shotgun room
Shotgun Room
Can pick up shotgun and have barry save you from the trap
Dagger
Can't go back in here after trap is sprung
2F Fireplace room
Use lighter and board from 2F Hallway to acquire 2F map
2F Study
Dog Whistle
HANDGUN AMMO
Lighter
Botany journal
2F East Hallway
Wooden board for map
Leads back to main entrance hall (avoids dog gauntlet)
Side doors locked by armor key
Emblem above fireplace (don't know what to do with it, probably shouldn't pick it up until then)
Blue gem falls here after breaking the statue on 2f dining room (don't know what to do with this yet)
Kenneth / First Zombie Hallway
Tape on Kenneth's body
Doorway downstairs leads to kitchen locked by sword key
Door behind Kenneth's body leads to crow stairwell
Crow Stairwell
HANDGUN AMMO plus green herbs
2F Mirror Hallway
Green herb on ground
Arrow for crypt puzzle
HANDGUN AMMO in front of mirror at end of hallway
Door straight across from crow stairwell leads to the key trap room
2F Dining Room
Dagger on shelf
Statue with blue gem can be pushed off to dining room below
Locked door leads to 2F Hallway (to dog whistle balcony)
Front Hall
Don't open front door (lets in dogs)
Door behind bottom of stairs locked
Graveyard / Crypt
Not all items recovered
Use arrowhead to unlock crypt and acquire the sword key
1F Map Statue room
Map on top of statue
Dagger in back room awakens zombie when picked up
Dog Gauntlet Hallway
Not all items picked up
1F East Hallway
Locked door leads outside to fertalizer + herbs (lock pick)
Bathroom with zombie in bathtub
Door at end of hall leads to shotgun room
Shotgun Room
Can pick up shotgun and have barry save you from the trap
Dagger
Can't go back in here after trap is sprung
2F Fireplace room
Use lighter and board from 2F Hallway to acquire 2F map
2F Study
Dog Whistle
HANDGUN AMMO
Lighter
Botany journal
2F East Hallway
Wooden board for map
Leads back to main entrance hall (avoids dog gauntlet)
Side doors locked by armor key
if jeff is cool with it, i'd be willing to help you with uploading john. if you ever needed it.
i have a fast connection and a lot of time.
John Caboose
Member
So Jeff shouldn't switch to easy because the combat will eventually get easier anyway? Just seems like a roundabout way of making the segments he dislikes more tolerable when he could just switch to easy to enjoy the exploration and the puzzles.
Plus, although he sometimes says he'll definitely pull through, he mentioned a few times in the recent stream that he might actually switch to a different game. He's obviously not enjoying certain aspects of the game and doesn't want to restart the stream and redo things tediously because he feels a need to entertain the stream and thinks that that would be boring.
It's pretty difficult to convince him otherwise so he'll probably either just continue stubbornly in normal (without restarting completely) and eventually quit even before Bloodborne comes out and switch to some different game, or he'll switch to easy and have fun while most of us have fun watching his progress.
ahhh. cool. lolNah it's nothing like that. You don't use your connection to upload. You initiate the upload directly from twitch to youtube. I'll send you a PM if I retire.
Treechopper
Member
This so much. I'm down for watching him die to challenges, but he's dying to the wrong challenges. As someone who's never played Resident Evil, I'd love to watch him actually play through it, but at the rate he's going he'll give up before he's even a quarter of the way through.
Presumably this ceases to be the case at some point if you take into account continually shooting zombies and leaving the room w/o killing them.
Heh, sure,
But with the shotgun/grenade launcher/magnum everything dies in one or two hits anyway, and the autoaim makes it hard to even miss.
Also, Jeff definitely shouldn't have to switch to anything below Normal.
Hell, Dark Souls is about ten times harder than REmake on normal.
Polioliolio
Member
I'm down with this.
He's getting frustrated at the dogs, and in Resident Evil, there are far worse things than dogs.
There's no reason he shouldn't be playing on the slightly easier setting, if puzzles and progress are the most interesting aspect for him (I think most would agree the combat isn't the highlight of the game).
Of course I'm enjoying watching the stream, because Jeff is a riot, but it's not about the 'man plays really hard game on hardest available setting'.
So yeah, I think he should start over, on the next lowest setting, and he's still going to face many challenges that he'll have a blast overcoming.
If he has half as much fun as he had just firing the shotgun three or four times, it's well worth it.
Yeah i'm in the camp of "restart it on easy/middle difficulty".
The combat in classic REs just isn't compelling in my opinion, and while resource management is a crucial part of these games (though REmake ain't no Dino Crisis) it's not like it's completely absent in the middle difficulty.
At the same time, you're more free to keep track of the atmosphere, enjoy the puzzles, and laugh at the dialog, if you don't have to repeat the same section 5 times.
Jeff himself said he felt creeped out and scared by the game "when he wasn't frustrated by it"; i think that's reason enough to lower the difficulty.
Y'all should accept that not everyone is on the same skill level, and not everyone has to be.
The combat in classic REs just isn't compelling in my opinion, and while resource management is a crucial part of these games (though REmake ain't no Dino Crisis) it's not like it's completely absent in the middle difficulty.
At the same time, you're more free to keep track of the atmosphere, enjoy the puzzles, and laugh at the dialog, if you don't have to repeat the same section 5 times.
Jeff himself said he felt creeped out and scared by the game "when he wasn't frustrated by it"; i think that's reason enough to lower the difficulty.
Y'all should accept that not everyone is on the same skill level, and not everyone has to be.
Icanplaythat
Member
Am I wrong to think Jeff should play with direct controls instead of tank controls?
I played all the RE games on PS1 and Silent Hill as well. They were fantastic games and I wouldn't have wanted to play them any other way, but tank controls were a product of the PS1 shipping with a controller that had no analog stick. By the time RE3 was released the dual shock was an entrenched thing, but Capcom felt tied to tank controls, I guess?
I just don't think tank controls can be justified when you have totally competent analog controllers.
I played Silent Hill 2 on the Xbox with direct controls (analog movement) and I don't believe I missed anything.
Jeff never played console games like this, his brain wasn't programmed at an early age to deal with this type of control scheme, where at times rapid reactions are necessary.
I played all the RE games on PS1 and Silent Hill as well. They were fantastic games and I wouldn't have wanted to play them any other way, but tank controls were a product of the PS1 shipping with a controller that had no analog stick. By the time RE3 was released the dual shock was an entrenched thing, but Capcom felt tied to tank controls, I guess?
I just don't think tank controls can be justified when you have totally competent analog controllers.
I played Silent Hill 2 on the Xbox with direct controls (analog movement) and I don't believe I missed anything.
Jeff never played console games like this, his brain wasn't programmed at an early age to deal with this type of control scheme, where at times rapid reactions are necessary.
Haunted
Member
Well, tank controls do have the advantage of consistency through different camera angles.
While direct control allows for better manoeuvrability, there's a real argument to be made for a system in which you can simply continue to press in one direction and it makes sense throughout the next three camera angle switches.
In the end, I understand that he has now tried both control schemes and should probably simply go with the one he feels more comfortable with. That's why they put both in there, after all.
Treechopper
Member
Regular controls require you to readjust every time the camera changes perspective; in real time, that's honestly not ideal. If he wasn't so far in I'd say try the type E controls, but I think he should stick with the original controls at this point.
He's about an hour and a half in.
Haunted
Member
hoo boy
i mean have you seen his wicked dark souls speedruns? this is absolutely within jeff's standard of progress
I think the dogs actually probably are the most dangerous enemy, considering how hard they are to kill with the pistol. Sure, some of the other enemies are technically harder, but by the time you encounter them you're only using the shotgun/grenade launcher/magnum anyway.
John Caboose
Member
Ugh, damn the twitch YT upload. So opaque. So unreliable.
Crimsons could turn out to be worse though. And seeing as Jeff doesn't really care too much about burning the zombies he kills up to this point, he'll start running into trouble very soon while still being low on ammo and health (as seen at the end of the stream).
TheJollyCorner
Member
SeventhSon
Member
Classic X-Com or nuX-Com?
He could name the squad members after us.
He could name the squad members after us.
TheJollyCorner
Member
hey John, sorry to be a pest, but how's 4b's upload coming? :/
squad members Barry & Jareth
SeventhSon
Member
Shaaaa, Sissy Fist, Future Jeff
Haunted
Member
I'd argue that REmake is substantially easier than the Souls games. He made it through PT in good time!
Though yeah, I probably should've known after seeing half of the first RE video. >_>
i thought i'd post this excellent review of REmake by super bunnyhop.
warning: some spoilers for people who haven't played REmake.
warning: some spoilers for people who haven't played REmake.