Piku_Ringo
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I don't know about that amigo so far all I'm seeing and hearing is a big pile of Fraaaaaaap.
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Jim Ryan: PlayStation about big blockbuster games that cost a lot to make, Game Pass model would not make financial sense
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Hezekiah
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I see it getting regular (annual) price increases after the first year or two of this gen.
Aidah
Member
The Business model naturally influences the products. If Sony were to switch to a subscription model you'll evetually start seeing a lot more of their games focusing on "engagement", quantity of the content, sandbox design, being online, social features, in-game monetization, and other things that the business model incentivizes. I'd rather them and Nintendo didn't.
As for the $70 price of games. that's a 17% increase. Disappointing to see Sony be one of the first to jump on $70 despite making more per game sold than 3rd party pubs, and as digital becomes more prevalent, they'll be making even more per game on average. Hopefully though at least that could make them stick to largely no in-game monetization for another gen.
As for the $70 price of games. that's a 17% increase. Disappointing to see Sony be one of the first to jump on $70 despite making more per game sold than 3rd party pubs, and as digital becomes more prevalent, they'll be making even more per game on average. Hopefully though at least that could make them stick to largely no in-game monetization for another gen.
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Then leave the Playstation ecosystem if it doesn't suit you. Simple as that.
Bonfires Down
Member
Yep, and it’s not even neccessary to put every first party game on the service. Disney is still putting their big names in theaters first.
Whitecrow
Banned
If the players dont come, they buy the players.
Those 2 XGS rpgs are not releasing soon, they are years away from being available though.
Swift Hunta
Member
This just in. All big movie studios have said Netflix won’t become a big thing because everyone likes going to the theatre more than watching at home......
MarkMe2525
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(Jim Ryan 6 months later) "We want to introduce to you....... Play Pass!!!!!"
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Deleted member 775630
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It makes more sense for Sony to sell those games single copy like they do now, but it's not like this model is not sustainable. Which he deliberately says to take a jab at Microsoft again.
kriolo
Member
this is a business call.It's a pure simple invest in people playing xbox rather playstation.When you play a console you can't play the other at the same time and when you invest that time in the long run matters a lot in terms of the next console you buy, the services, games,DLC,accesories, subscriptions etc etc etc So maybe yes, Microsoft is bleeding money now, but in 5 years we'll see if the 70 usd a game model lasts
Endless Fluff
Banned
They already have adapted a Gamepass like thing with PS+ Collections. It's only a matter of time, because they know that Gamepass is ridiculous value for customers.
megreotsugua
Banned
But big budget movies still exist. Disney is the model that people should be looking at. Disney+ co-exist with Disney's blockbuster movies. Sony's AAA blockbuster games could co-exist with PS+. AA GaaS games go day and date on PS+ and AAA blockbuster games continue to be an event on their own.
Sony has a plethora of AA games. Those type of games could go release on PS+/PS Now day 1. Sony could also ask small developers to make them GaaS games. They could always be on the look out for interesting indie games or very fun online games to release on PS+/PS Now. An example of that is FALL GUYS and rocket league. Sony could start doing this more often now while they try to make a robust line-up and perception for PS+/PS Now. This strategy will not affect Sony's AAA output. This will not force them to race to the bottom. Ultimately, it will not affect the quality of their AAA games.
Their big blockbuster AAA games should continue to be an event on their own whenever released.
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no_sea_comemierda
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So true. Thank Sony for giving us a combination of many diff budget games and not banking on filler mediocrity. Demon Souls remake looks so good and like thy really invested in it, so does Spidey, Horizon, Ratchet, God of War 2 we know will be more AAA goodness.
Endless Fluff
Banned
Bad comparison.
Netflix produces blockbusters themselves, The Gray Man has a 200m budget. Red Notice has a budget of 150-200m, the Irish Man and 6 Underground were around 150m, Triple Frontier had a 120m budget. Bright was around 100m iirc.
HBO invests 100s of millions in their most popular shows like Game of Thrones. Amazon invests 100s of millions in Lord of the Rings.
That's all blockbuster material in terms of how much their stuff costs.
What if Gamepass gets 100m subscribers by the end of this gen? (no, not 100m consoles sold, 100m Gamepass subs who mainly use xCloud to play games).
The Gamepass model doesn't make sense NOW with only 10-20m subscribers, but Microsoft thinks longterm.
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
PS5 has a lot of firepower you got your price now we gon' see some gameplay.
Zoro7
Banned
Wasn’t there loads of articles about Netflix losing a lot of money?
Mista
Banned
Lots of contradictions but hey, they aren't the only ones
MS will do the same thing and we know it. Games developments is very costy
At the end of the day if you're going to pay for quality then its justifiable no?
I don't mind the $10 increase if I'll be getting lots of guaranteed quality games
I can see that this price raise will make people think 100 times before buying a game now
MS will do the same thing and we know it. Games developments is very costy
At the end of the day if you're going to pay for quality then its justifiable no?
I don't mind the $10 increase if I'll be getting lots of guaranteed quality games
I can see that this price raise will make people think 100 times before buying a game now
Yeaah, if you say so. You're the biggest Sony fanboy here whose blindsighted by them. What Jim Ryan said doesn't mean anything, Sony will make something like Gamepass in a year or two.
iHaunter
Member
It's a long term scam. Think about EA being part of gamepass ultimate for free, amazing deal right? They're in cahoots with the Macrotransaction bullshit.
You can literally make more money by giving away for free.
no_sea_comemierda
Banned
Netflix was a big money loser first several years a huge money pit I think recently thyve just started making profit.
Since 2019 thyve been profitable
"For full-year 2019, Netflix delivered operating profit of $2.6 billion and profit margins of 13%, up from 10% in 2018, 7% in 2017, and 6% in 2016. In fact, the company has hit its target each year since it began providing full-year operating margin guidance back in early 2016"
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Racer!
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And if they do, quality goes in the toilet. You loose. As a matter of fact, you sound like a Xobox fan...you`ve already lost.
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PSNplanetcolony
Member
gamepass might be sustainable for $30+ a month subscription. At that point, you have to ask yourself if it would be worth it to you. Gamepass wont be a $1 promo, or 4.99-14.99 forever
Endless Fluff
Banned
Netflix is a profitable business.
Netflix Gross Profit 2010-2023 | NFLX
Netflix annual/quarterly gross profit history and growth rate from 2010 to 2023. Gross profit can be defined as the profit a company makes after deducting the variable costs directly associated with making and selling its products or providing its services. <ul...
www.macrotrends.net
Arkam
Member
Jim is right. Cuz he understands basic math. However there is a massive asterisk. GP is absolutely losing money at ~10m subscribers (thats w/o original AAA content).... but would very likely be profitable if it were 100m subscribers. So in the long run IF you can grow your subscribers it might work out. We watched Netflix go through that long period of losing money too and now look at them. Still not able to make major blockbusters but they are getting closer each year. Will be curious which way MS goes. Do they make the smaller/cheaper games to pad the content throughout the year or do they invest in some AAA games that will surely lose them money in the short term.
CeeJay
Member
The market will decide what the price will be, if they put it up too much then it begins to lose customers. 100million subscribers at $15 is better than 50million subscribers at $30 a month
ZippyTheOtter
Banned
As soon as game pass does the inevitable price jump, I'll be cancelling. I don't have the time to juggle playing enough games to justify the cost at a certain point. This threshold will be different for different people obviously.
How and if Microsoft changes their business model of delivering games around this service would be interesting to see. Microsoft with more frequent, smaller games, or Sony with the big budgets. What will people want in the long run? One will be correct, and the other pay for it.
How and if Microsoft changes their business model of delivering games around this service would be interesting to see. Microsoft with more frequent, smaller games, or Sony with the big budgets. What will people want in the long run? One will be correct, and the other pay for it.
MiguelItUp
Member
If Game Pass wasn't making money it wouldn't be where it currently is, and it wouldn't be advertised the way it is.
tryDEATH
Member
Lyin' Jim out here pulling wool over the eyes of his loyal herd once again and guess what its working like a charm.
He screwed you over on the power of the console, then controller support, followed up by royally bending you over on the "Next-Generation" games, then came a price hike for games, and now he is telling you that GamePass doesn't make financial sense for Sony, screwing you over once again and leaving you with a inferior console and ecosystem.
So what do Sony fans do after getting shafted on this many issues, they gobble up all the lies like a good loyalist would and turn on MS, even though two of their "Blockbuster" games coming out for next generation is a DLC/Expansion game and a Remaster.
But, they are now "concerned" about MS's bottom line and how it will effect the quality of games, because Jimmy boy said so and are now hoping that will be the case even though there is no evidence for it at all.
The most hilarious thing is that they aren't holding Sony accountable for the multitude of f*ck overs at all, its like they are all together in the Sunken Place singing kum ba yah and ignoring the reality around them.
He screwed you over on the power of the console, then controller support, followed up by royally bending you over on the "Next-Generation" games, then came a price hike for games, and now he is telling you that GamePass doesn't make financial sense for Sony, screwing you over once again and leaving you with a inferior console and ecosystem.
So what do Sony fans do after getting shafted on this many issues, they gobble up all the lies like a good loyalist would and turn on MS, even though two of their "Blockbuster" games coming out for next generation is a DLC/Expansion game and a Remaster.
But, they are now "concerned" about MS's bottom line and how it will effect the quality of games, because Jimmy boy said so and are now hoping that will be the case even though there is no evidence for it at all.
The most hilarious thing is that they aren't holding Sony accountable for the multitude of f*ck overs at all, its like they are all together in the Sunken Place singing kum ba yah and ignoring the reality around them.
Shmunter
Member
This post seems unnecessarily hostile. Not to mention completely idiotic.
synchronicity
Gold Member
Yeah, I have no interest in the race-to-the-bottom "Wal*Mart" type of model for gaming or any other art form.
tryDEATH
Member
It isn't hostile, it's just presenting facts.
This just another Jim Ryan special where he tells his herd a lie and then the herd starts lashing out uncontrollably at the competitor. Majority of the comments here are already how its cost MS too much money and how the games on Xbox are going to be worse, because Jimmy boy said Sony makes "Blockbuster" games and because of that it doesn't make any financial sense to them so anything contrary to that must mean bad.
The fanboys are already rallying around the next narrative that GamePass games will be bad, with out any evidence, which they will spam all other threads with.
Shmunter
Member
Your viewing it through your own lens, and it’s incorrect. Ryan isn’t leading a narrative, he is reflecting what the community expects. His current cross gen lie however brings his credibility under scrutiny. Being able to provide what is expected by the fans is now under question.
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tryDEATH
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What lens? The one where he has screwed over the PS user base over and over and they just seem fine with it, because its Sony. But lash out at Xbox for anything? Where can I get one of those rose tinted lenses where this makes any sort of sense.
Shmunter
Member
Sounds like the only one that is getting screwed over and over is you. Solo.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
One day the price will be skyhigh.
megreotsugua
Banned
This is where all the crazy arguments come from. From this belief right here.
no_sea_comemierda
Banned
Microsoft isn't making any profit, more so probably losses on gamepass. This model takes years to make profit and millions upon millions of subscribers. Netflix just started making profit few years ago.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I stopped liking big budget movies (for the most part) when I was in my late teens. I find them milk toast, predictable, and generic.
Gaming is no different.
I'd rather have a bunch of mid sized studios take creative risks than have a few big budget studios make safe choices because they have to appeal to everyone.
Gaming is no different.
I'd rather have a bunch of mid sized studios take creative risks than have a few big budget studios make safe choices because they have to appeal to everyone.
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Deleted member 740922
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So? Worry about that when/if it happens.
Game costs will rise too by the looks of it.
Endless Fluff
Banned
I'm not saying that it gets there, but it's obviously what Microsoft is betting on. This has been their strategy for a few years now. They want to reach as many people as possible, the big question is how many casual gamers are okay with streaming games. It's a risk Microsoft is taking and they're confident in its success.
Jim Ryan is obviously thinking short term, but imagine if Gamepass becomes as big as Netflix, or even half as big... Netflix has been dumping 15-20 billion yearly into their platform. Imagine Microsoft (or someday even Sony) dumping 15-20 billion into games every year, that's something that isn't possible with the current model.
Azurro
Banned
Wow, who hurt you? Please, point at which part of the doll where Sony touched you.
megreotsugua
Banned
Microsoft has been confident with many of their products in the past. Some failed, some succeeded. We'll see. But if you ask me, MS is digging xbox's grave right now with this strategy.
I don't think Jim Ryan is opposed to a subscription of pool of hundreds of games that will be advertised to the masses through streaming on phones and tablets. I think they do have a strategy to make that happen. (Although again, I don't think it will succeed. There's simply no customer for it.)
What Jim Ryan is not amenable to is releasing their big blockbuster games day 1 on PS Now. Whatever their strategy is with PS Now, it will not include their big blockbuster games that has no microtransaction. Sony will have to create game specifically for PS Now or ask small party devs to make it for them. Keep the price low but with good value.
Two birds,
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