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[Visualante2]

Homogenised generation.

 

[Windom Earle]

In Carmack we trust.

 

[Queen of Hunting]

It's because it failed the 'walk up to a wall, zoom as far in as you can go and examine the quality of the texture' test, as meaningless as that is.

its because he failed on most of is promises with rage

 

[diamount]

How different is this from his view on the PS3? Wasn't he always fairly negative about what Sony did with it?

Considering they haven't really made any games for it since Rage/Doom BFG hard to asy.

 

[2San]

Well if Carmack is happy, I'm happy.

 

[squidyj]

It's 8GB of GRAPHICS-DDR5... get your dirty gameplay-paws off my RAM!

https://twitter.com/pixelmager/status/304540293590556672

You tell em!

 

[diamount]

its because he failed on most of is promises with rage

Again, the only promises that were failed were due to the content. On a technical level the game did as advertised and Carmack is not at fault.

 

[Saty]

But isn't the necessity to code the game for the 720 with its lesser RAM and still make both versions look equal takes some of the sting off from the PS4 having 8GB GDDR5?

 

[Nirolak]

How different is this from his view on the PS3? Wasn't he always fairly negative about what Sony did with it?

Well, here were his comments after Rage launched:

we don’t know of anything we can do to improve ps3 performance much, especially on wasteland. Tight memory, poor IO performance.

...

The PS3 does lag a little bit behind in terms of getting the performance out of it. The rasteriser is just a little bit slower – no two ways about that. The RSX is slower than what we have in the 360. Processing wise, the main CPU is about the same, but the 360 makes it easier to split things off, and that’s where a lot of the work has been, splitting it all into jobs on the PS3.

Source: http://www.gamersmint.com/ps3-has-tight-memory-poor-io-performance-john-carmack

 

[iamshadowlark]

Did the crytek guy confirm 8GBs for 720 lol?

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

They approve.

 

[Bony Manifesto]

its because he failed on most of is promises with rage

The game was just about above-average, sure, but technically, it did everything he promised. Native 720p and 60fps is no mean feat for 360/PS3 games, especially for ones that look as good as Rage did.

 

[Pepto]

Did the crytek guy confirm 8GBs for 720 lol?

Seems like it.

 

[2MF]

Seems like it.

Not really. He said 8 GB is a baseline, not that both platforms have it.

 

[eot]

But what will Gabe say?

Still bitter? He was right about the PS3, not that it wasn't apparent back then. The Cell was a disaster.

 

[cyberheater]

Well I'm really glad that Gearbox has endorsed it. Now please do us all a favour and not develop for it.

 

[Geoff9920]

its because he failed on most of is promises with rage

This post makes no sense. What he pulled off on the consoles was a freaking miracle.

edit: More importantly though I'm glad to hear a lot of high profile programmers liking the specs of the console.

 

[Pooya]

https://twitter.com/repi

repi has some comments^

 

[Radec]

I bet one of them will still release a not so next gen game because something is holding them back just for "parity".

 

[CyclopsRock]

It could look exactly like Q3 and I'd buy the fuck out of it

Then I have some good news for you. That game is already for sale!

 

[Queen of Hunting]

Not really. He said 8 GB is a baseline, not that both platforms have it.

yup but they are making Ryse which is exclusive for xbox

 

[dragonelite]

A fraction of how much it costs to hire a programmer.

Spoiler

I know because I just got hired

Gratz man...

But if they fire you, they can probably buy 8 new/more devkits

 

[cyberheater]

I wonder if it's too late for MS to change to GDDR5?

 

[BloodMoney]

So developers are saying the reveal/specs are great (particularly ones i am very interested in iD & Crytek). Hardcore gamers are saying the specs are great...

Most gaming news outlets are saying the event was a dud....

 

[Queen of Hunting]

I wonder if it's too late for MS to change to GDDR5?

most of the rumors that were leaking info were from details last year, so ms atleast knew they had Gddr5 with 4gb so if they wanted to they could have easily changed their Ram.

Sony only added the extra 4GB very recently so its entirely possible ms is on the same playing field in memory area.

 

[aganu]

Look at dem happy devs.

 

[strafer]

New pants. I need them.

 

[Hanmik]

Has Randy Pitchford said anything yet..?

 

[KimonoNoNo]

Well I'm really glad that Gearbox has endorsed it. Now please do us all a favour and not develop for it.

No they'll just outsource it to Taiwan and bill Sega.

 

[Biggzy]

So developers are saying the reveal/specs are great (particularly ones i am very interested in iD & Crytek). Hardcore gamers are saying the specs are great...

Most gaming news outlets are saying the event was a dud....

That's because most people find specs quite boring.

Still bitter? He was right about the PS3, not that it wasn't apparent back then. The Cell was a disaster.

I was quite shocked when Sony admitted that the Cell was a mistake.

 

[Mileena]

I bet one of them will still release a not so next gen game because something is holding them back just for "parity".

Gearbox? Gearbox.

 

[i-Lo]

The old and the new gods have endorsed this. It can only be a good thing.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Hopefully Gearbox will port Aliens CM to PS4

- said no one, ever.

 

[Napoleonthechimp]

Quite honestly I don't care what developers are happy with. Just because it's easier for them doesn't mean we'll get good games out of it.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Hopefully Gearbox will port Aliens CM to PS4

Said Pitchford's fake Twitter acounts.

 

[raphier]

Has Randy Pitchford said anything yet..?

nope. he outsourced that job to TimeGate.

 

[2MF]

Gratz man...

But if they fire you, they can probably buy 8 new/more devkits

Thanks

Quite honestly I don't care what developers are happy with. Just because it's easier for them doesn't mean we'll get good games out of it.

It means we can spend more time working with what's important (i.e. making the game bug-free, making the artists/designers happy and efficient with their editing tools, adding new gameplay features, etc.), instead of spending a lot of time making a square peg fit into a round hole. If you don't care about any of those examples, well...

 

[funkystudent]

Good to see the guy from Dice say something.

EA has been really unsettlingly quiet.

 

[Izuna]

Hopefully Gearbox will port Aliens CM to PS4

- said no one, ever.

Or give it to Rebellion Studios and do a director's cut for PS4.

 

[lefantome]

That s a great thing easier multiplatforms developments, less expensive ports and with 8gb of ram they can do great things

 

[DirtRiver]

What about Tim Sweeney? Has he come out and said anything?

 

[fratstar]

Carmack needs to go back to the drawing board and figure out what makes a good game first.

 

[Nirolak]

What about Tim Sweeney? Has he come out and said anything?

He doesn't have twitter so we'd need to wait for an interview.

 

[funkystudent]

What about Tim Sweeney? Has he come out and said anything?

Mark Rein was on GT after the show and he seemed stoked if thats anything.

 

[RustyNails]

John Carmack is a goddamn genius. I take his word as the gospel. Best endorsement.

Carmack needs to go back to the drawing board and figure out what makes a good game first.

lol. Carmack is not a game designer.

 

[PoweredBySoy]

If developers are happy consumers will be happy.

boom

 

[i-Lo]

He doesn't have twitter so we'd need to wait for an interview.

He is a true tech guru, much like Carmak. I am surprised by his desire to stay disconnected

 

[Zekra Dezivad]

Well, you can't be wiser than 8GB GDDR5.

Perfect

 

[Biggzy]

John Carmack is a goddamn genius. I take his word as the gospel. Best endorsement.

lol. Carmack is not a game designer.

Nope, he is a programming genius instead.

 

[ZombieSupaStar]

Carmack needs to go back to the drawing board and figure out what makes a good game first.

John Romero and Tom Hall are the ones at id who did that. And now the secret of ids downfall is public knowledge