Black-Wind
Member
It's said that Whedon is "only seen as a feminist purely outta the fact that he's willing to make physically strong female leads and nothing else in a industry that wont" for a reason it seems.
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Joss Whedons leaked Wonder Woman screenplay is mindblowingly sexist
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Aaron Strife
Banned
Yeah, I remember reading a friend's fanfic once where he was fixated on the guy being naked for the first chapter.
Like not kink shaming at all, it just stands out. It's awkward, we all do it in certain contexts (harping on something but trying to play it cool), it's just weird with fetish stuff.
UnemployedVillain
Member
I'm...just going to blame it on the Kathmandu drugs
But really, some white people are trippin'
Earth 1 Wonder Woman, i thought it was novel making Steve Trevor black, cause he did have a different opinion on tying people up and shit.
kunonabi
Member
That's only because the writers eventually didn't give two shits about anyone other than Willow.
I think the two go hand in hand very often.
No, they don't. Seasons 2 and 3 are basically non-stop fantastic.
I know hating literally everything is "your thing" but Angel is one of the most consistent genre shows ever.
(You never reply to people when they argue with you though so I don't know why I bother.)
Napoleonthechimp
Member
Grant Morrison's idea was that they had spent thousands of years together on an island and had likely tried everything. So sexual practices would have become ritualised.
This is 100% true. My teenage self identified so hard with Xander. Upon rewatching, that fact has become a painful referendum on my teenage self.
Messofanego
Banned
Messofanego
Banned
You sure about that?
You know he can be shaky on his own script and also have a desire to see where it eventually would've lead, right?
A lot of people are also ignoring the fact that the people in this thread who actually bothered to read the whole script and read the excerpts in context are saying it's really not that bad.
I know it's the GAF way to jump to conclusions and faux outrage over sounbites and blogger interpretations without reading the entire context, but, you now, maybe read the script?
I know it's the GAF way to jump to conclusions and faux outrage over sounbites and blogger interpretations without reading the entire context, but, you now, maybe read the script?
Messofanego
Banned
Where is he dismissing the sexism of his script?
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
I've always heard people mention this, but never knew what they were getting at.
Wait, what's wrong with this...?
That... is awful.
pretty much
Messofanego
Banned
Slayven into kinkshaming
He wasn't asked about this particular script? What kind of comment is this? Why would he say "I had a great idea for a Wonder Woman movie I would've liked to have made, but also one confidential draft of the script had some sexism so I'd like to dismiss that element of it?"
Messofanego
Banned
You said he's been shaky on his own script.
Wow. I wonder how many drafts in this was. Often the first draft is very "anything goes" before you can go back and make big decisions and improvements.
But yeah some of this sounds intensely bad
Seeing this in context for the first time... The phrase "treating her like a lady" is wobbly, but honestly what they describe sounds like a good scene and a dark but decent as fuck plot.
But yeah some of this sounds intensely bad
Seeing this in context for the first time... The phrase "treating her like a lady" is wobbly, but honestly what they describe sounds like a good scene and a dark but decent as fuck plot.
I gotta disagree.
Despite Inara using the serum, it makes her a victim doubly over, a victim who's then treated "like a lady" by a scoundrel.
You're also then asking two actors to act that shit out in a sci fi show. Guy who played Spike on Buffy put it best - "you don't know what you're asking us to do."
Yeah but the whole scoundrel/"lady" thing was Mal/Inara's schtick.
That said, i guess this is taking it way too seriously - that scene would have been a prime and appropriate time for Mal to shake off that pretense and him/the others to take it seriously. Because it's clearly serious.
I was picturing the scene with Mal in borderline tears, they both traumatised af, but yeah ur right. It falls apart the most when you imagine the scene with Jane or Wash or someone instead of Inara.
AlimNassor
Banned
Guess I won't be supporting Wheldon anymore. This script is utterly horrifying.
blame space
Banned
people change a lot in ten years. and i am not a joss whedon fan.
Salty Rice
Member
So much that it traveled back in time 9 years.
I just feel like it's a step too far. She doesn't need to get raped so we can see Mal loves her after all. That's some fucked up shit. "He's the one who treats her like a lady." Like dear God...
If the entire point of a rape scene or a rape is to show that Mal isn't such a bad guy...
MsKrisp
Member
Trying to put a black man in a dog collar, and "science fiction lesbians with a side of bondage"
blame space
Banned
don't kinkshame
-ImaginaryInsider
Member
He could be referencing that specific script, but it felt like he was just wistfully musing about the potential of making it a decade later.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
That scene is clearly meant as a culture clash moment. They're both ignorant of each other's culture and history. Do you think it's endorsing something more sinister...?
And your second point: whilst it is a colourful summary from a colourful character, it's also a pretty apt summary of the original comic. Wonder Woman's origins are tied to bondage and sex, if you'll forgive the pun.
The movie we got even pays homage to that as
Gal Gadot gets tied up during the final battle. Something that happened in pretty much every issue of the original comic
Who knows when this particular script was written, whether Whedon was happy with it, etc. He said he never wrote a script that made him and WB happy.
That really doesn't have much to do with him musing on what could've been with his version of the movie. The script was never greenlit. This isn't the script of a movie that was going to get made. He's never been in a situation where he's had to address the details of this particular draft, until now I suppose.
Immensely.
Looks pretty good.
meltingparappa
Member
Yeah, maybe he'll change his outlook in year or two or nine.
Lionel Richie
Member
Can't do that, there's something to be angry about and someone we will never know personally to be judged as an asshole forever over it damn it!!!
dead souls
Member
Yeah, no. Season 2 ended with that awful Pylea arc and then season 3 had episodes like Dad, Birthday and Provider stinking it up after Connor was born.
DontBeThatGuy
Member
Sure?
Warm Machine
Member
He has failed the purity test and as such is now human trash.
People remember Holtz, Dark Wesley and the prophecy... then forget that rubbish where Cordelia made the Pylea guy dress like Angel while she banged him.
Lionel Richie
Member
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Watching the narrative turn of these threads self-correct towards the most simplified and self-justified of hot takes after context is provided (usually upon request DURING a self-justified hot take) is always interesting for how FAST it happens.
For as much as people seem to be upset at the notion that nobody reads
nobody reads
If you don't like thoughtful examinations of complicated topics, just wait two pages. If that.
Your chance to play one-liner slapjack will recur soon enough!
For as much as people seem to be upset at the notion that nobody reads
nobody reads
If you don't like thoughtful examinations of complicated topics, just wait two pages. If that.
Your chance to play one-liner slapjack will recur soon enough!
Alcoremortis
Member
Didn't we have a thread last year about how good this script was or am I hallucinating?
Call me crazy but maybe it's better to judge Whedon on the stuff that was produced instead of a draft which ended up in a drawer.