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[MoonsaultSlayer]

WTF? The movie took every chance to make fun of Claire and undermine her entire character. The reason MRA guys are pissed off at Mad Max is because there's a strong female character. People are pissed off at JW because it has a bad female character.

A bad female character because she stuck to her guns, shrugged off a man telling her what she can or can't do in heels, saving the leading man's ass, and maintaining her own identity and integrity despite what everyone else (including the audience) wanted from her? Yeah, so bad. Guess she should have been the perfectly molded badass chick for everyone else's sake because nothing screams "feminism" like having the same ideal strong female protag in everything.

"Gosh, she didn't wear makeup or girly clothing, talked like a dude and spit and swore and held big guns like the best of us. What a great role model for our daughters". Such feminism.

 

[Veelk]

It's just part of his vitriol toward everything and everyone involved with the movie starting with the dinosaurs not having feathers.

Oh? I've only been casually lurking until the last page or so, I didn't know that he was a regular rabble rouser here.

Speaking of feathers, I hope they show dinosaurs with feathers at one point. I'm one of the few wierdo's that think they can look cool in them if done right.

 

[way more]

WTF? The movie took every chance to make fun of Claire and undermine her entire character. The reason MRA guys are pissed off at Mad Max is because there's a strong female character. People are pissed off at JW because it has a bad female character.

Here you go.

It's an award for being the most offended. Now you look like a big shot.

 

[Cow Mengde]

It's just part of his vitriol toward everything and everyone involved with the movie starting with the dinosaurs not having feathers.

Or I'm just not an apologist for a shit movie.

 

[Lazyslob]

reading some of the criticisms.. wow. talk about reaching especially about the death of the zara character. i hope its satire

 

[Boss Doggie]

Everyone on the island took a boat back to Costa Rica. The only dinosaurs that had "taken over" by the end were the Tyrannosaur and Blue, and they basically just went back to the jungle (with Rex taking a final "this is my domain now" stance, everything the light touches is my kingdom). The pteranodons and dimorphodons were taken out by the task force that showed up. The conclusion was that they saved a bunch of lives by throwing everything they could at Indominus, the family reconciled, and Owen and Claire went off together.

When you start to consider elements of the "bigger picture' like suing, these are things that the movie shouldn't really go into. You have an ending and that should be the ending. Going into the politics would feel incredibly tacky and misplaced. People died in the first one but the courtroom hearings and lawsuits go down off-screen; it isn't something the viewer needs to see. No shit that happened, you know? How is that relevant to the central narrative?

If you can easily just assume something, it's needless to show it. As Jawmuncher said, some of this stuff will be covered in the next one, just as at the beginning of The Lost World things of a similar nature were discussed between Malcolm and Ludlow.

I agree on the stuff you said for them being sequel hook.

Still, I shift my attention on the characters. The kids reunited with their family but somehow we never get much conclusion on them. The focus more on the ending was on Claire and Raptorlord.

And I still stand by on the rexophialic pandering

Nope, he was head of InGen Security, which by the time of JW was a global private military division.

How come he kept mentioning the rival company and even has ties with Wu (or maybe I am misremembering)

Oh? I've only been casually lurking until the last page or so, I didn't know that he was a regular rabble rouser here.

Speaking of feathers, I hope they show dinosaurs with feathers at one point. I'm one of the few wierdo's that think they can look cool in them if done right.

It's already satisfying enough that they bring up the point that JW dinosaurs are fantasy and not realistic. I honestly doubt they'd put them out, but at least they acknowledge that as a "take-that" towards anti-feathers.

 

[Messypandas]

Someone correct me if i'm wrong; the assisstant is the first female to die on-screen in a JP movie?

 

[neorej]

Someone correct me if i'm wrong; the assisstant is the first female to die on-screen in a JP movie?

 

[strafer]

female dude...Gennare aint female.

 

[neorej]

female dude...Gennare aint female.

He was a pussy. Doesn't that count?

Spoiler

misread, sorry

 

[crisdecuba]

Someone correct me if i'm wrong; the assisstant is the first female to die on-screen in a JP movie?

That's correct.

 

[judhudson]

Fucking awesome!

Jeep us up to date on this.

Absolutely. Hopefully I can somewhat have it all painted (have doors and windshield left to go) within the next month or so!

 

[Veelk]

That's correct.

You know, ultimately, this might be the big problem. Females in general are a huge minority in Jurassic world (other Jurassic movies too, but I'm focusing on World).

The main leads are Owen, the Boys, Claire, and Hopkins. Of 5 main characters, only 1 is female. Side characters include the headquarters guy, the rich guy that owns Jurassic World, Owen's buddy, the boy's Mom and Dad, Zara, and BD Wong. Combined with the main characters, of 12 central characters, 3 are female (with both of the non-lead females being fairly insignificant in terms of involvement in the story, whereas BD wong is the science mastermind and the rich dude owns hte park and makes decisions and the headquarters guy is a pivotal character to the climax of the film). The easiest way to solve the representation problem is to just level out the gender imbalance, have more females represented as different kinds of characters. They're half the population, so why are they accounting for 25% of the cast? Then, even if Claire is stereotyped into a mother figure, no one cares since they have plenty of other female characters to choose from that pull away from that. This is a problem with most movies that are summer blockbuster oriented, but it's an easily solvable problem. Most of those characters wouldn't need to be rewritten one bit to have them played by someone of a different gender.

We focus on Zara partially because she's a woman. She wouldn't be anything special if more women had been mauled by dinosaurs before.

 

[mrklaw]

Why is it assumed she is a mother figure just because she has kids to look after? They are simply visiting from her sister so why isn't she just a 'parental figure' or 'responsible adult'? Any of the mother stuff is pushed onto her from her family so that can be considered peer/family pressure. I don't think she is remotely a mother figure in the movie, just a work obsessed person who has her priorities wrong and work/life balance messed up (I.e not spending time with her nephews), and is also ignorant/uncaring about nature (treating the dinosaurs as 'product' and ignoring Pratt's lectures about nature and instinct blah blah)

 

[mrklaw]

In a podcast interview Trevorrow said that they intentionally went against the "rules" when it came to Zara's death because it's not like the dinosaurs are just going to attack people with a bad attitude, and she never had one really in the first place. Anything can happen to anyone. She didn't have to meet any kind of personality parameter in order to get a death scene.
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I think it is fine to kill off anyone that isn't a main character (well the ones you know are likely to survive) - that is a standard disaster movie trope and they don't have to be unlikeable. It helps if the unlikeable ones also get killed, but the order doesn't really matter. I think Zara just jarred because of the lack of screen time she has so she is barely a character. Tbh that and the boss/helicopter death are just poorly paced/edited generally. Hers is too strong early on for such a little-seen character, and the boss is way too fleeting.

Edit: just watched the potato video a few pages back. Yeah that's a little disaster porn that character. Way too lingering. Feels like the could have cut where she is dropped in the water, and then have her just be straight up eaten by the moasaur. Relatively quick and simple. It's all the tossing back and forth and grabbing under the water which drags it on too far. Makes it probably the biggest death in the movie which should probably have been saved for someone else.

 

[Messypandas]

You know, ultimately, this might be the big problem. Females in general are a huge minority in Jurassic world (other Jurassic movies too, but I'm focusing on World).

The main leads are Owen, the Boys, Claire, and Hopkins. Of 5 main characters, only 1 is female. Side characters include the headquarters guy, the rich guy that owns Jurassic World, Owen's buddy, the boy's Mom and Dad, Zara, and BD Wong. Combined with the main characters, of 12 central characters, 3 are female (with both of the non-lead females being fairly insignificant in terms of involvement in the story, whereas BD wong is the science mastermind and the rich dude owns hte park and makes decisions and the headquarters guy is a pivotal character to the climax of the film). The easiest way to solve the representation problem is to just level out the gender imbalance, have more females represented as different kinds of characters. They're half the population, so why are they accounting for 25% of the cast? Then, even if Claire is stereotyped into a mother figure, no one cares since they have plenty of other female characters to choose from that pull away from that. This is a problem with most movies that are summer blockbuster oriented, but it's an easily solvable problem. Most of those characters wouldn't need to be rewritten one bit to have them played by someone of a different gender.

We focus on Zara partially because she's a woman. She wouldn't be anything special if more women had been mauled by dinosaurs before.

They definitely could have been more women in the cast and more development with Zara. Her death doesn't rub me the wrong because the dinosaurs have and should kill indiscriminately. I don't want a karma balance where only the mean or cowardly die because that doesn't raise the stakes and make everyone at risk. Same way it was so shocking when good guy Eddie died so brutally

With the other character who becomes a reluctant parental figure after disliking being around kids and focusing on their career only... well thats these two guys

Claires failing isn't that shes flawed is that she has an arc that contrasts severely with the other 2 dimensional cast. Owen is a boring one-note "hunter guy" and the other characters "evil science man" "power hungry military nut". Claire is dangerously overwritten.

 

[thesoapster]

What a letdown. Even Lost World (minus the gymnastics and stupid city part) was better...

 

[FafaFooey]

So I check this thread for the first time in months and the whole feminism / gory death discussion is still going on? Sometimes I just get so jealous of the amount of free time people seem to have in their lives.

 

[MoonsaultSlayer]

So I check this thread for the first time in months and the whole feminism / gory death discussion is still going on? Sometimes I just get so jealous of the amount of free time people seem to have in their lives.

I just checked in last night because it was bumped. Not sure when the most recent bump was.

 

[way more]

Sigh, can we please stop using the gender restricting word "female?"

 

[Mysterious]

Did they change how the TRex looked in the DVD/Bluray release? Just saw a promo image of that scene on Facebook and the TRex model looks more... different (and less shitty).

 

[Demoncarnotaur]

Did they change how the TRex looked in the DVD/Bluray release? Just saw a promo image of that scene on Facebook and the TRex model looks more... different (and less shitty).

I don't think the model changed, but I know the movie got a few more CG passes on some scenes PLUS the color correction was changed drastically.

The reason the Rex looked funky will hopefully be a wake up call for Universal to build a better archive in the future.

 

[Ledsen]

Well, just finished it. Even for what is obviously a kids movie, this had some crazy one-dimensional characters and over-the-top silly plot in it. Kids aren't stupid y'know... Pretty sad this is what the franchise has turned into.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Blue the raptor had more nuances than the human characters.

 

[Ledsen]

Blue the raptor had more nuances than the human characters.

But did she cry when she saw the Brachiosaurus die?

 

[boiled goose]

Wow. Just watched this.

What a terrible movie.

The story and the script are atrocious. The pacing is all over the place. Shit going down for some characters while others are playing with dinosaurs.

The characters don't make any sense. They don't act like real people at all. Some characters are comic book villains and the female scientist is a piece of shit and yet you know she will survive. Also, the characters are comically unafraid of dinosaurs.

There is so much dumb action and death and you know the 4 main characters are completely shielded by plot armor, including the stupid raptor. There is no tension whatsoever. These characters also somehow always end up right in the middle of the action.

Also, I thought the CGI was terrible. Right from the start when the egg cracks open, it looked fake.

The science was laughably bad, with a tinge of anti GMO thrown in.

Stupid action.
Bad effects.
Bad Writing.
Terrible characters.
Terrible dumb plot.

D- for me. What an expensive piece of shit.

 

[Parch]

Jurrasic World is on par with the rest of the sequels. Nothing beats the original.

So now they're going down the modified, militarized, dinosaur road. That lets them avoid being completely historically correct and opens up the silly story possibilities. Jurrasic is now action blockbuster monster movies with the cool CGI effects that everybody wants. A nice hook is that it's "real world" and not a completely fabricated sci-fi or fantasy setting with monsters that are somewhat historically real. An interesting balance. If they stuck to trying to be historically accurate re-creation, the franchise would die IMO. They are trying to make blockbuster action movies after all, not documentaries.

They got a good thing going here. It's not like we're getting a new Jurrasic every other year. I can see the franchise continuing to have success.

 

[cloud_sleep]

Hope this hasn't been posted:
https://vimeo.com/143563837

Compares a ton of shots used in JW to ones in previous films.

 

[Beerman462]

Watching this now. This movie is fun. Not as good as Jurrasic Park, but still a great ride.
Bryce Dallas Howard is a dime for sure.

 

[Timu]

Hope this hasn't been posted:
https://vimeo.com/143563837

Compares a ton of shots used in JW to ones in previous films.

This is awesome, even I notice similarities when I 1st watched it.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Rewatching it again... Man the "use dinosaurs as weapons" is so hilariously dumb and how it's better than drones and robots.

 

[Knoxcore]

I have to say, I liked it better on second viewing. It has its flaws and eye rolling scenes, but it was just fun.

 

[Vyer]

Saw it a couple days ago. Can't touch the original but still a fun movie, I didn't mind the ridiculousness of trained raptors as much as I would have expected because the film said fuck it and went all in. I appreciated that.

Had a good time with it and overall I can see why it raked in a lot of money and big audiences.

 

[Raptor]

Just saw this movie and I was expecting the worse movie ever going by some posts here and by the people worried that the director will get a shot at a starwars movie.

Well the movie is way better than the TLW and than JP3, that last sequence i dont care what anyone thinks it was an absolute incredibly badass action sequence,they finally realized the premise is already ridículous so why not going all in and I absolute loved it. im not worried for starwars 9 now i look forward now more to it than EP8 cause i think this is a better movie than Looper to me. As in more fun.

Dat blue raptor was all kinds of badass baby.

 

[Mighty Chin]

Finally got around to watching this movie. I really don't know how it made so much money. I thought it was laughably bad. Not Jurassic Park 3 bad but not far behind.

Pratt was the only aspect of the movie I enjoyed and that theme.


What's Next Jurassic World 2: Desert Storm?

 

[| Praxis |]

Wow. Just watched this.

What a terrible movie.

The story and the script are atrocious. The pacing is all over the place. Shit going down for some characters while others are playing with dinosaurs.

The characters don't make any sense. They don't act like real people at all. Some characters are comic book villains and the female scientist is a piece of shit and yet you know she will survive. Also, the characters are comically unafraid of dinosaurs.

There is so much dumb action and death and you know the 4 main characters are completely shielded by plot armor, including the stupid raptor. There is no tension whatsoever. These characters also somehow always end up right in the middle of the action.

Also, I thought the CGI was terrible. Right from the start when the egg cracks open, it looked fake.

The science was laughably bad, with a tinge of anti GMO thrown in.

Stupid action.
Bad effects.
Bad Writing.
Terrible characters.
Terrible dumb plot.

D- for me. What an expensive piece of shit.

Pretty much what I thought. I turned it off and will probably never watch the rest. Ever. Complete and utter shit.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I'm watching this again with my family, and everyone commented on how overkill and unnecessarily drawn out Zara's death was.

 

[guek]

Just saw this movie and I was expecting the worse movie ever going by some posts here and by the people worried that the director will get a shot at a starwars movie.

Well the movie is way better than the TLW and than JP3, that last sequence i dont care what anyone thinks it was an absolute incredibly badass action sequence,they finally realized the premise is already ridículous so why not going all in and I absolute loved it. im not worried for starwars 9 now i look forward now more to it than EP8 cause i think this is a better movie than Looper to me. As in more fun.

Dat blue raptor was all kinds of badass baby.

I think your enjoyment of this movie directly correlates to how you respond to the phrases "trained raptor task force" and "T.Rex/Raptor 2v1 tag team match"

Both of those phrases are just...stupid. They are. They're dumb. But something doesn't have to be smart to be considered "cool" for a lot of people. If you can get past how stupid it is and just roll with it, those scenes are a lot of fun to watch. I really feel that's the crux of this movie. It's so stupid at such a high frequency, you either get over it and just accept it or the stupidity ruins any fun you might have otherwise had.

 

[Timu]

Well the movie is way better than the TLW and than JP3

This is true.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Star Lord + Raptor Squad + Rexie is awesome as fuck.

 

[Elitist1945]

Was watching THIS scene again and couldn't help notice you can spot Zara trying to crawl out.

 

[BewareTheBatsie]

Thing with Zara's death is that is the kind of shit you save for the bad guy. The one you want to see being viciously dragged off and then eaten alive. She was just an assistant who was a little cranky over the fact she had to babysit two kids who ran off without her because they're idiots.