leatherhat
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Digital would no doubt be a big part of it, to the point where they might not even do a non-LE physical release.
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Kadokawa Games announces Demon Gaze 2 for 2016
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Digital would no doubt be a big part of it, to the point where they might not even do a non-LE physical release.
i just don't want people to get their hopes up in the face of an evaporating marketplace. honestly i'm surprised that more companies aren't doing the ps4/psv thing just so they can have a shot at the western market. the psv-only stuff is a little surprising.
i believe this is more of a european thing, from what i understand. 'game stores' and 'game sections' don't really exist like they do in the united states and canada.
the moq isn't that much of an issue. the issue is if the moq is the goal, then the time you're spending on translation, editing, qa, design, trailers, marketing, and submission is better spent on games with a higher return on investment. if you're limited run games, then yeah it makes sense to take a risk on something with over existing 100,000 owners in hopes of reaching a base of less than 10% of that, especially when your efforts amount to making a cover art and card label art. you don't need to worry about much more than submitting the game for approval. not even any qa is required.
YianGaruga
Banned
Where do you think people buy games in Europe? The UK is relatively similar at retail to NA I believe but a lot has moved online, yeah. In the rest of Europe most games are bought in dedicated (and sometimes huge) games sections in big electronics retailers. But Gamestop (or GAME) exists in a lot of EU countries as well.
And looking at the LEs for Ar Nosurge and now Escha & Logy Plus, selling physical releases online only isn't unprecedented in NA and seems to be successful enough.
I only mentioned LRG because they literally sold out of the MOQ in minutes. The next releases will definitely have bigger print runs. There still is a market. And it's not like there is an abundance of options to localize PS4 titles for NISA and co.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
i think its more companies outside of the ones who were ahead of the curve are behind with ps4 development, which is why we are not seeing more things like what koei tecmo and bandai namco does.
cireza
Member
Amazing.
i see. well, then i suppose what i heard was wrong. i assumed that game was in trouble to boot.
ar nosurge and escha & logy plus are poor examples as the localization on those have already been done and the work and risk is simply down to design and whoever is fronting the cash for the moq (either it's k-t or nisa). that's not an example of something like a game that originally did well at retail suddenly being followed up witih a game only available through one online retailer.
there's more than the general public is aware of at a given moment. publishers like them are approached while titles are still in development. it's more of a gamble but it happens. i imagine exist archive was shopped around before it became public knowledge.
anyway, the point was more that psv-only is going to be unsustainable as a business model in the near future. it just means that there will probably be more ps4/psv and psv/steam stuff coming up, which is mostly for the benefit of a western audience. so i'm surprised that a psv-only game with potential in the west would be announced this late in 2015. i would have thought danganronpa 3 would have been the signal that that doesn't really happen anymore.
that could be it. strange though - you'd think kadokawa would have the funds to try and get someone to do a port for experience if experience didn't know how to do that themselves.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Could be that they are thinking domestically first and want to watch the budget. Since they know their userbase is still on the vita here at the moment would imagine they are not considering a ps4 version out of the gate, but for the west it could be a possibility then japan sees a rerelease similar to global ed for the ps4.
with the ¥¥¥ made from the domestic sales woukd help push things towards a budget for development a different platform in this case being the ps4. id like to think that potentially too exp inc will start to consider working with the ps4 also but i dont see that till possibly 2017 seeing how their development schedule is packed with vita and xbo titles at the moment.
In the UK at least, it's fairly similar to the US, just replace Gamestop with Game. However, their Vita sections are tiny and it's largely focused on PS4/XBO, the odds of you finding a new copy of a niche vita title are pretty small now, let alone this time next year. Also, the online retailers are much cheaper (the in-store discounts and deals sound much better in the US), so anyone who's dedicated enough to be playing niche dungeon crawlers is almost certainly not buying them on the high street anyway, either from choice or circumstance.
From Wiki:
There are a couple of other smaller chains (Grainger Games has 70-odd stores too, with a more Northern spread of locations ). Virtually every reasonably sized town centre in the UK has at least one game shop focused on selling new titles, and there's often a CEX (second-hand shop) too, they have around 270 shops.
It's true that Game rarely seem to be more than one bad year away from closing down permanently though, I think investors look at it that people still buy shitloads of games physically here due to high digital prices, so having a network of outlets has potential. It was just rapid expansion and rebranding their Gamestation stores that led to the ridiculous situation of some towns having two Game stores a matter of metres apart in areas of high rent charges, so they had to slim down a bit from a peak of 600+ shops.
that's a good point. i actually forgot that rereleases with extra content was sort of an industry-wide thing, and one that experience seems to be rather familiar with considering every game they've done aside from demon gaze and students of the round.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Yeah since even SoSC will be getting a version 1.5 in Japan. At least thats what they talked about a bit in the last Exp channel. Though no idea how much will change with it. It sounds like they are doing refining of the game itself based off of the feedback they got from the community who filled out the surveys.
No release date on that either I think.
Right now from what I know with the information that was available to the public in one way or another what they are working on is. Most of that info came from the Exp Channel livestreams. On purpose or accidental due to alcohol lol.
SoSC Xbox One
SoSC 1.5 - Vita
Demon Gaze 2 - Vita
Students of Round 2 - Xbox One (Title pending)
Unnamed Xbox One title
Thats how I came to the conclusion of the if there was going to be any sort of PS4 title, it would seem like it most def would be real late 2016 or early 2017. As the studio itself isnt that large manpower wise. Under 30 I think?
Nah that wouldnt have happened, since if you have been watching their development schedule, you would have seen other projects were taking priority over DG2 for a while. Even the live streams they have not talked much about it at all, besides saying it still very much is in the production schedule. Also with how Japan is, if one is under a publisher a lot of that information is fully controlled excessively by said publisher.
Augemitbutter
Member
what was the other vita dungeon crawler with that cool artstyle? wasn't that also from kadokawa? i don't remember, aaaaargh.
eye cum negotiator
Banned
Probably worth waiting for the global editon.
Augemitbutter
Member
oh god thanks dude. that's some amazing news (to me).
LifeBrandRobot
Member
DG was my first Dungeon Crawler and I freaking loved it. I even got the Platinum for it. Cannot wait for this one.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
btw heres a better image of the artwork shown at the conf.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/323/G032387/20151110055/
Also for those who can actually write coherent thoughts in Japanese the campaign page entrance for ideas for Demon Gaze 2 is here.
http://demongaze.jp/2/
Should be interesting to see what fans can come up with, since one large issue fans have brought up in general is there needs to be more changes made to the existing combat system for example. Which also includes things like character / class skills.
http://www.4gamer.net/games/323/G032387/20151110055/
Also for those who can actually write coherent thoughts in Japanese the campaign page entrance for ideas for Demon Gaze 2 is here.
http://demongaze.jp/2/
Should be interesting to see what fans can come up with, since one large issue fans have brought up in general is there needs to be more changes made to the existing combat system for example. Which also includes things like character / class skills.
machemachete
Banned
Because of people like you I have my animu game discusssions on /v/ and /jp/
On the subject, It looks like my víta still got some years left.
OniBarubary
Banned
*vomits all over himself in excitement*
PdotMichael
Banned
Looking at his post history. He is just doing that joke character thing on GAF.
Kresnik258
Member
You've been saying this for a while, which is why the past few weeks have been pretty pleasing with all the localization announcements. Looks like 2016 is going to be the last hurrah I was hoping for.
OT: Pleased with this. I was pleasantly surprised with the first Demon Gaze, so I'd always be down for more.
MaximumSpider
Banned
This is too easy...
Mauricio_Magus
Banned
Awesome, I'm not crazy about DG but I enjoyed what I played of it, so if this one is good I'll also get it.
You need to make your trolling less obvious if you want it to work.
You need to make your trolling less obvious if you want it to work.
At this point I figured it was moved to next year but it's nice to finally see a confirmation.
You sound like a broken record Anihawk, give it a rest.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
That depends on when it comes out in Japan since honestly that will be a HUGE factor with when it would release in the West. No idea if NISA would attempt to propose something such as a simultaneous "worldwide" release. Granted the turnaround would be much faster with the fact that DG did well in the West, the previous DG took a year between JP vs Western releases. Not going to use Abyss as an example as that is a different publisher MAGES, where this is Kadokawa.
As I said in a previous post, there are still a bunch of other titles that need to come out first domestically, before DG2, which is what puts the thought of DG2 being later in 2016 for Japan.
Would like to imagine that Kadokawa would be open to such an idea considering the fact that there is a good amount of fans in the West and at the same time as time does pass the general market conditions will continue to shift and its not in a positive direction. Which means getting it out sooner would be better for all parties involved. Its kinda odd too considering that they are going to be doing a worldwide release for that Root Letter game which was part of the announcement. Which seems to be a bit more of an unknown risk than for example if they went with a worldwide release of Demon Gaze 2 that already has an established fanbase.
With talk of the West aside, Im more curious about how the market in the rest of Asia is with DRPGs in general. As Ive never seen any actual number announcements for sales and whatnots, let alone know if there even is something that would be like an Asia version of Media Create. But harder considering that its made up of multiple regions instead of just a single country.
Cornbread78
Member
Damn, more VITA games next year. I need money, and lots of it stat!
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Just be lucky you dont play JP releases, since the shit has been non-stop for a while and it isnt letting up any time soon really.
djplaeskool
Member
H Y P E
I adored the original.
I adored the original.
Kresnik258
Member
I have to wonder whether NISA are involved at all. These announcements for God Wars and that other game getting simultaneous releases... I mean, NISA could certainly be the partner (they've worked pretty closely before - Rodea being announced for localization before it was even out in Japan) but then Rodea was delayed loads, reminds me of Fairy Fencer F when Idea Factory were breaking away from them.
If it is Kadokawa opening their own branch, then we'll have to see how interested they are in bringing across a Vita-only game, despite the fact that I believe it did do very well overseas.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
The idea of the campaign they are doing to gain data from user input for new ideas seems interesting as it should add a bunch of new features and whatnots to the title itself. So am actually looking forward to that and what kind of changes will appear with the title.
As long as they keep that circle system with the gems Ill be happy to see new changes to the other parts of the game / mechanics.
Its far more risk free for them to continue their current plan than trying to open up shop and start from scratch. Not to mention they will not have the same localization team that was behind Demon Gaze, who did do a good job with the title. On top of the logistical support NISA provided with orders / shipments LE packaging extras design etc.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
dp
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
How was Demon Gaze? Never played it
YianGaruga
Banned
Great. You should try it.
Enter the Dragon Punch
Banned
I've got a huge Vita backlog but I'll pick it up when and if it goes on sale on the PSN
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
It depends if you like DRPGs. Even if you dont, its not like the game is so difficult to understand that it would be a problem to progress through.
Thanks to how the game is designed, it managed to make a lot of new DRPG fans it seems though.
Have you played other DRPGs before? If you have then you might not enjoy it since its pretty easy and basic...but newcomers of the genre tend to like it for these reasons.
HypnoDarkrai
Member
thanks! added to the op.
E_Darkness
Member
I enjoyed Demon's Gaze. Like a good 7. I'll get it when it comes.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Seeing the girl on the right has headphones makes me wonder if the game will be in a modern setting?
The outfit in the center does look a lot more Ray Gigant-ish.