It looks different to me.
These pixel artstyles all look similar in the end. I can't even count how many time I swore that something looks like another from all my time playing 16-32bits games from the NES to 3DS period.
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Kickstarter: Midora - 2D Zelda/Secret of Mana game Of pure awesomeness
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It looks different to me.
These pixel artstyles all look similar in the end. I can't even count how many time I swore that something looks like another from all my time playing 16-32bits games from the NES to 3DS period.
efyu_lemonardo
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Even the main character looks like minish cap Link and they make no attempt to hide it. They need to differentiate themselves better if they're making a commercial product. Otherwise it looks too much like Minish Cap HD.
Windows, Mac, Linux.
I find it hard to believe this didn't start as a Zelda fan-game at some point. I was checking the dev names to see if I recognize anyone back from ZFGC.
And to be honest, given how many of such fan-game projects there are, I don't really see why they would need 60k USD to develop it.
And to be honest, given how many of such fan-game projects there are, I don't really see why they would need 60k USD to develop it.
The graphics remind me of my RPG Maker days about 10 years ago. I remember editing existing tilesets of old 16-bit RPGs in order to create something that looks kinda new - and I'm pretty sure the same thing happened here too.
And it's an absolutely okay thing to do when you're making a non-commercial product. If you edit the graphics enough (in a way that you can't recognize the original anymore), it's also okay for commercial products, I guess. But in this case it's just way too close to the original's graphics. I doubt Nintendo particularly cares about it (at least as long as the devs aren't trying to get their games on a console), but it still just doesn't feel right.
There are hundreds of fan projects for everything. Why buy a new Mario platformer when there are a thousand of those free of charge on the internet? If the devs don't want to work on the project as a hobby anymore, then looking for funding is an absolute valid thing to do. Usually it also affects the quality of a game positively when a team (or at least the leads) actually work full-time on a project and not just during their spare time. So, if there are people interested enough in a project to invest in it, it's a win-win for everyone, really.
And it's an absolutely okay thing to do when you're making a non-commercial product. If you edit the graphics enough (in a way that you can't recognize the original anymore), it's also okay for commercial products, I guess. But in this case it's just way too close to the original's graphics. I doubt Nintendo particularly cares about it (at least as long as the devs aren't trying to get their games on a console), but it still just doesn't feel right.
There are hundreds of fan projects for everything. Why buy a new Mario platformer when there are a thousand of those free of charge on the internet? If the devs don't want to work on the project as a hobby anymore, then looking for funding is an absolute valid thing to do. Usually it also affects the quality of a game positively when a team (or at least the leads) actually work full-time on a project and not just during their spare time. So, if there are people interested enough in a project to invest in it, it's a win-win for everyone, really.
I'm sorry but I won't support a rip off.
The pixel artist is enough talented to do something else.
I would prefered a (free) fan fiction a Mimish Cap in HD than this.
Edit : since it's (might be) not traced, I will say that I dislike seeing a Zelda clone graphics while the guy has the skills to do something this nice.
He should try to do his own "art".
Mithos
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And stretchgoals:
PS4 on $150,000 (and Xbox, I guess they mean Xbox One on this)
3DS on $200,000
WiiU on $220,000
Metallix87
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Wow, what the heck? Why so much?
Art and sound assets aside games have to be completely recreated on every port.... and they might need to hire developers for a few months who are familiar with those systems in order to put out the same game.
frankie_baby
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
fucking disgusting, so they rip off the art style from a Nintendo game and then shaft Nintendo owners by putting them to the back of the queue with unreachable stretch goals, even the base goal looks a bit unreachable and I was expecting they'd throw Wii U into the base goal just to give it a chance but they really don't have a clue do they
Lapidus' Beard
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Wow, another indie game blatantly ripping off (read: inspired by) pixel art that relies heavily on nostalgia... It's baffling how these people get away with it.
Bluemercury
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This x1000,
Agreed. Not seeing any Seiken Densetsu here, be it in art, music, or gameplay.
I enjoyed Minish Cap. I won't be backing, but if this ever comes out, and if GAF says it's good, I might check it out.
Bjoern the Smexy
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People need to learn the difference between a pure rip-off and an art-style heavily inspired by a game.
It's like saying that Final Fantasy I had no business being the same genre as Dragon Quest I.
It's like saying that Final Fantasy I had no business being the same genre as Dragon Quest I.
Diablohead
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Metallix87
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Yep, it's disgusting. Sadly, I don't think it reaches the goal for ANY console port, so it's irrelevant.
frankie_baby
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Reading the thread will tell you it's not just you
Hesemonni
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Just you. Nobody has mentioned it before.
KungFucius
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No shit. I backed it solely to spite these mean-spirited gaming hipsters. It's just a few kids trying to get some experience making a game inspired by a classic. What kind of heartless douchebag would have a problem with that?
Triggerhappytel
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Looks great, but I'm only interested if it comes to Vita.
Captain Europe
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Looks unoriginal.
This!
You can clearly see the Minish Cap assets were laid out as a base for their own assets. That's completely different than two games sharing limitations of a platform (FF and DQ).
If you put the incredibly obvious Minish Cap inspiration aside, it makes sense to put it on PS4 and Xbox One before putting it on Nintendo platforms. More people have those consoles and their downloadable games don't have DRM that's nearly as terrible as Nintendo's DRM.
frankie_baby
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Actually more people have Wii U than have an xbone, also Nintendo fans would likely be more receptive to a game "playing homage" to a classic Nintendo title and i would suspect Nintendo would be less likely to take a dim view of the being ripped off if it was on their own system
Wow, there's inspiration and then there's "inspiration", but it sure looks really nice.
The leaftree and some other stuff go into the right direction as being inspired but still being their own thing,
but other tiles like the earthwalls are still too close to the original source.
Using the same(ish?) colourpalette sure doesn't help with perception,
but I actually have no idea - are colour-palette (which can be very specific in style) somehow protected or free for all?
http://indiestatik.com/2013/11/07/seyken-crystal-kingdom/ happened.
The leaftree and some other stuff go into the right direction as being inspired but still being their own thing,
but other tiles like the earthwalls are still too close to the original source.
Using the same(ish?) colourpalette sure doesn't help with perception,
but I actually have no idea - are colour-palette (which can be very specific in style) somehow protected or free for all?
There was: Crystal Kingdom. It was even on greenlight but then
http://indiestatik.com/2013/11/07/seyken-crystal-kingdom/ happened.
PS4 I will give you, but there are more WiiU units out there than Xbox Ones. Also, the target audience for this I imagine largely crosses over with Zelda fans, which are going to be on the WiiU.
Although maybe those same fans will see the Minish Cap similarities and ignore it. Could work out that way.
I imagine it is hard to protect something like that. But I agree, the colour palette is really what makes the two look so similar to me.
maniac-kun
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So they use copy & paste hd-ified art and a dull character design. Ill pass.
TitusGroan
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Geez, you can even match individual branches.
When you can overlay the two and have them match up like that, then it's pretty clear that copying has been going on.
There's nothing wrong with paying a bit of homage to the classics, but basing all your art assets on assets from another game is going to far by half. Especially when you're trying to sell this as a commercial product. Double especially when you're asking for Kickstarter money first.
To be fair not all of their assets are that similar. This tree is the one that looks the most like the MC one.
Linkstrikesback
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The stuff like the boat that I think is original is pretty good, but the entire thing is ruined by the blatant plagiarizing of minish cap in other things.
There's just no way you could get them that close unconsciously, someone has to have been looking directly at the minish cap artwork repeatedly during the design of a lot of the in game assets that we've been shown.
There's just no way you could get them that close unconsciously, someone has to have been looking directly at the minish cap artwork repeatedly during the design of a lot of the in game assets that we've been shown.
Clearly more that just inspired by their source, but truth to be told I don't have a problem with that, als long as they created all their work by themselves.
The Minish Cap look won't be revisited by Nintendo anytime soon, the HDified version they put out looks great and if they can match gameplay and sound, they are on to something good. It's not enough for me to kickstart this project, but if it turns out good, I'll buy it when released.
The Minish Cap look won't be revisited by Nintendo anytime soon, the HDified version they put out looks great and if they can match gameplay and sound, they are on to something good. It's not enough for me to kickstart this project, but if it turns out good, I'll buy it when released.
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