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[Ploid 3.0]

Kobe obviously deserves it. Winning games, bringing in the championships, doing the practice, and carrying out the strategies and team work. It's not as easy as putting balls into holes make it seem. Also basketball is very intense, I never sweat as much doing other stuff, you're always moving, pushing dudes, all while trying to defend or make a point. He may enjoy it a lot, it's competitive, but it's still a lot of work.

 

[Khalifa Jayy]

I don't think that comparison works. Take it a step further and substitute artistic cycling (a real sport) vs. NBA basketball or the NFL. How can you say one is not objectively more entertaining than the other...

I could truly believe Sarah Jessica Parker is more attractive than Megan Fox or whichever current sex symbol but that doesn't make it objectively true. You're being too liberal with your arguments and grasping onto semantics.

Not to mention that if those firemen were responsible for millions in revenue, they'd be getting paid very nicely. Also, consider how hard it is to be a premier athlete compared to going to an academt. It's all about perceived worth. It's the reason not all basketball players make hundreds of millions. The ones that do, though, fall into two categories: Proven winners or Potential winners. Sure some players are overpaid, but those teams are still making millions off of them.

 

[Puddles]

it's not a punishment. Kobe entitled her half his shit when they married, now she left and she took that half with her.

You're absolutely correct, but I think a lot of this disagreement is coming because both sides don't really understand what the other is saying.

Under our legal system, yes, she is entitled to half of his net worth.

I don't think anyone is denying that this is the law, and that legally, half of their net worth is what she is entitled to.

I think the argument that the other side is making is that this isn't a particularly just law in all instances. For many couples, it makes perfect sense to divide the wealth right down the middle. But there are other couples where one partner earned nearly all the wealth, and in these cases, something less than half, but still a comfortable sum, would be more fair.

 

[remnant]

Well, nobody has yet to explain why getting half is a joke or purposely slanted against men. All I'm seeing is a bunch of "Oh Hell Naw! She takin' half my homeboy's money! Screw that gold digger!"

So...


Yes. In fact the other thing that people keep casually ignoring is that Kobe could have easily divorced her at any point.

I'm pretty sure i told Opiate why getting half is stupid. You must have skipped it while typing your riveting argument that all men see women as pets.

The argument that women should get half in today's economy holds no water. They are no longer second class citizens who can't live without a male. A more fair, just proposition for women tied to rich and poor men is setting a reasonable cap at the standard of living in her immediate vicinity. She can still survive and can work to support herself, and a man( or woman for that matter) doesn't lose half of his assets to their partner.

The system is broken, and the argument that "he should have gotten a pre-nup is silly." Pre-nup are a band-aid to a shitty system. In an better world all couples would be forced into pre-nup when they get married, yet something tells me a lot of people would object to that, especially people like Vanessa Bryant.

 

[Byakuya769]

Still don't understand why the justice league fails to understand that marriage is a voluntary contractual obligation. Allowing people the freedom to contract in whatever financial arrangement for marriage they want to seems better than statutory dictation or common law decisions.

 

[Clott]

Kobe obviously deserves it. Winning games, bringing in the championships, doing the practice, and carrying out the strategies and team work. It's not as easy as putting balls into holes make it seem. Also basketball is very intense, I never sweat as much doing other stuff, you're always moving, pushing dudes, all while trying to defend or make a point. He may enjoy it a lot, it's competitive, but it's still a lot of work.

Wait wait, I haven't read the whole topic because I can't say that I care that much about Kobe, But are people actually doubting the intense work and sacrifice that professional athletes experience?

 

[2 Slice Toaster]

You're absolutely correct, but I think a lot of this disagreement is coming because both sides don't really understand what the other is saying.

Under our legal system, yes, she is entitled to half of his net worth.

I don't think anyone is denying that this is the law, and that legally, half of their net worth is what she is entitled to.

I think the argument that the other side is making is that this isn't a particularly just law in all instances. For many couples, it makes perfect sense to divide the wealth right down the middle. But there are other couples where one partner earned nearly all the wealth, and in these cases, something less than half, but still a comfortable sum, would be more fair.

Yes, a spouse in no way contributes to your ability to do your job and succeed, and if she had left him after he cried on camera, he would have gotten back all the sponsors that left him in the aftermath, and he would have continued being one of the most successful players in his sport without any hitches at all. Just like Tiger.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

Imagine how much better at baseball Jeter would be if he had a wife. He's missing out on even more money.

 

[neutralgamer02]

I'm just wondering is the half salary thing a double standard with men and women? What I mean is if a women actress is making millions and marries a dude who isn't working and they got divorced after 10 years would the man also get half of their money? Are there cases that show this as true b/c it doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Brobzoid]

I'm just wondering is the half salary thing a double standard with men and women? What I mean is if a women actress is making millions and marries a dude who isn't working and they got divorced after 10 years would the man also get half of their money? Are there cases that show this as true b/c it doesn't seem to be the case.

britney spears

 

[Opiate]

You're the one who brought Paris Hilton in the discussion. We were discussing entertainment from that point forward.

I think you're getting confused. Entertainment is a general concept; Kobe is specifically a basketball player, which is a type of entertainer. He would not, for example, necessarily be a good baseball player, or musician, or magician. So when talking about Kobe's skills, his skillset is only valuable as long as people still like basketball in particular.

His specific form of entertainment (basketball) has no objective value. It is objectively meaningless.

Or, if it is not objectively meaningless, I'd like you to provide a specific, objective value of basketball -- one which exists whether I care about basketball or not.

Not all scientists deserve millions either. Some deserve it based on their work, some don't. That's ideal to me.

This is extremely vague; I'm asking you to be specific. Do you feel that scientists, in general, contribute more objective value to our society than basketball players do?

If family and friends want to gather around, unwind and watch people dig holes then sure it's valuable.

It has subjective value, i.e. it is meaningless outside our own desire to make it meaningful.

Hole digging doesn't interest me, but if someone else likes it, I won't judge them.

Judging is not the right word. The word is "objectively meaningless." It only has value because we have decided to consider it valuable. Again, by contrast, vaccines for Polio work whether you like science or not. Firemen can put out fires whether you happen to like firemen or not. Teachers can explain mathematics to you whether you happen to enjoy mathematics or not.

 

[2 Slice Toaster]

I'm just wondering is the half salary thing a double standard with men and women? What I mean is if a women actress is making millions and marries a dude who isn't working and they got divorced after 10 years would the man also get half of their money? Are there cases that show this as true b/c it doesn't seem to be the case.

It likely is alot rarer because men are generally uncomfortable being in a relationship like that where women seemingly exercise greater control due to their financial clout.

 

[Puddles]

Yes, a spouse in no way contributes to your ability to do your job and succeed, and if she had left him after he cried on camera, he would have gotten back all the sponsors that left him in the aftermath, and he would have continued being one of the most successful players in his sport without any hitches at all. Just like Tiger.

I don't think anyone doubts that she has contributed to his ability to stay focused and play basketball at a high level.

I just doubt that her contribution equals half of their net worth. I think that's what a lot of people in this thread are trying to say.

IMO, these kinds of proceedings should be handled on a case by case basis.

 

[2 Slice Toaster]

I don't think anyone doubts that she has contributed to his ability to stay focused and play basketball at a high level.

I just doubt that her contribution equals half of their net worth. I think that's what a lot of people in this thread are trying to say.

IMO, these kinds of proceedings should be handled on a case by case basis.

But, thats how divorces already work. Assets are divided on a case by case basis and often decided upon by a third party. Everything is completely dependent on state laws. She is not guaranteed to a 50-50 split of all assets automatically. Kobe is perfectly within his right to challenge any claims she or her reps make.

 

[blame space]

opiate i think you're getting confused. the objective of basketball is to put the ball through the hoop. the value is then anywhere from one to three points depending on the context.

 

[Opiate]

opiate i think you're getting confused. the objective of basketball is to put the ball through the hoop. the value is then anywhere from one to three points depending on the context.

Can you explain four point plays to me? PM please.

 

[Timedog]

You're absolutely correct, but I think a lot of this disagreement is coming because both sides don't really understand what the other is saying.

Under our legal system, yes, she is entitled to half of his net worth.

I don't think anyone is denying that this is the law, and that legally, half of their net worth is what she is entitled to.

I think the argument that the other side is making is that this isn't a particularly just law in all instances. For many couples, it makes perfect sense to divide the wealth right down the middle. But there are other couples where one partner earned nearly all the wealth, and in these cases, something less than half, but still a comfortable sum, would be more fair.

Which is why there are pre-nups. If there were no pre-nups, your argument would make sense.

Can you explain four point plays to me? PM please.

Don't you get 4 points from dunking from half court in Tournament Edition or something?

 

[george_us]

Guys why is it so hard to be a good person?!?!?

'Cause it's hard to think when millions of gorgeous women are practically begging to suck your dick.

You're absolutely correct, but I think a lot of this disagreement is coming because both sides don't really understand what the other is saying.

Under our legal system, yes, she is entitled to half of his net worth.

I don't think anyone is denying that this is the law, and that legally, half of their net worth is what she is entitled to.

I think the argument that the other side is making is that this isn't a particularly just law in all instances. For many couples, it makes perfect sense to divide the wealth right down the middle. But there are other couples where one partner earned nearly all the wealth, and in these cases, something less than half, but still a comfortable sum, would be more fair.

This is my view of it. My only problem with people saying she's entitled to half of Kobe's money is that there's no proof to suggest that she is. Sure she could of had a hand in helping Kobe earn his $300 million by boosting his confidence, maintaining the household, or whatever. Of course you could make the argument that Kobe could easily be worth $1 billion+ if he weren't married to the her. She could of made his life a living hell, given him bad business advice, or other things that could of damaged Kobe's financial well being. The point is that we have no idea as to what part Vanessa had in helping Kobe amass his fortune.

 

[rvy]

'Cause it's hard to think when millions of gorgeous women are practically begging to suck your dick.

No one man should have all that power.

STAY STRONG, BLACK MAMBA!

 

[Bleepey]

I don't see why. It makes perfect sense that shared assets (because that's what marriage means) that were accumulated during the course of the marriage be split relatively equally in the impending divorce. The law works the same in divorces where both parties are contributing financially to the accumulated assets of a marriage, as well as marriages where the woman was the primary bread winner (Kevin Federline made serious bank off his divorce from Britney Spears for this reason).

This isn't a law designed to specifically fuck over men. It just tends to happen that way because lots of wealthy men tend to marry women who don't carry the same financial weight in a marriage. In fact, countless studies have shown that most men prefer being in relationships where they are the primary bread winner. Well, then that bread gets split in half when you cheat on your wife and divorce because of it.

Federline got no where near as much as he could have. Also considering men are not likely to get children in the divorce child support can fuck a man over again.

 

[freenudemacusers]

'Cause it's hard to think when millions of gorgeous women are practically begging to suck your dick.

yeah I was thinking about this. dude probably has women chasing him down the street begging to suck his balls, literally. that has got to fuck with your head. now, i honestly believe that i myself wouldn't do shit but at the same time, you're on the road for weeks and you have groupies pounding to get in your bus for the sole purpose of sucking your dick, i'm sure most dudes are just like well fuck it.

 

[Half and half]

yeah I was thinking about this. dude probably has women chasing him down the street begging to suck his balls, literally. that has got to fuck with your head. now, i honestly believe that i myself wouldn't do shit but at the same time, you're on the road for weeks and you have groupies pounding to get in your bus for the sole purpose of sucking your dick, i'm sure most dudes are just like well fuck it.

Plus being Kobe with all of his accomplishments, he probably feels like the baddest guy on Earth. So he has that conquer the world and everything within it mentality.

 

[mavs]

You're absolutely correct, but I think a lot of this disagreement is coming because both sides don't really understand what the other is saying.

Under our legal system, yes, she is entitled to half of his net worth.

I don't think anyone is denying that this is the law, and that legally, half of their net worth is what she is entitled to.

I think the argument that the other side is making is that this isn't a particularly just law in all instances. For many couples, it makes perfect sense to divide the wealth right down the middle. But there are other couples where one partner earned nearly all the wealth, and in these cases, something less than half, but still a comfortable sum, would be more fair.

What I don't get about that argument is that Kobe had to agree to all this before he got married. It's not just some law he ran afoul of. The financial ramifications of marriage and divorce are well known.

 

[Gabyskra]

Plus being Kobe with all of his accomplishments, he probably feels like the baddest guy on Earth. So he has that conquer the world and everything within it mentality.

It's like I'm re-reading all that was said about Tiger Woods.

 

[DominoKid]

yeah I was thinking about this. dude probably has women chasing him down the street begging to suck his balls, literally. that has got to fuck with your head. now, i honestly believe that i myself wouldn't do shit but at the same time, you're on the road for weeks and you have groupies pounding to get in your bus for the sole purpose of sucking your dick, i'm sure most dudes are just like well fuck it.

yeah. all of a sudden Doug Christie's wife doesnt look so crazy.

naw, she's still batshit but you can bet he aint cheating though.

 

[Devolution]

The fuck is this still going for. If you don't secure your finances in a pre-nup your wife or husband is entitled to half when you split. When you marry sans pre-nup you are effectively signing a contract where-in you lose fucking half of the accumulated property and wealth in the marriage. If you're the sole or majority bread winner think this shit through before you put a ring on anyone's finger.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

yeah I was thinking about this. dude probably has women chasing him down the street begging to suck his balls, literally. that has got to fuck with your head. now, i honestly believe that i myself wouldn't do shit but at the same time, you're on the road for weeks and you have groupies pounding to get in your bus for the sole purpose of sucking your dick, i'm sure most dudes are just like well fuck it.

And what if his wife was holding out, especially after that rape claim situation. Every night she could have been sending him to sleep in the other room, and continued to do so. Girls do that stuff a lot, not knowing they are pushing their dudes to other girls. My aunt in law's aunt would tell her that she gives women a hard time, she treats her husband so good that other women didn't have a chance. We just don't know the situation Kobe was in on top of the girls throwing themselves at him because he's very rich and famous.

 

[Devolution]

And what if his wife was holding out, especially after that rape claim situation. Every night she could have been sending him to sleep in the other room, and continued to do so. Girls do that stuff a lot, not knowing they are pushing their dudes to other girls. My aunt in law's aunt would tell her that she gives women a hard time, she treats her husband so good that other women didn't have a chance. We just don't know the situation Kobe was in on top of the girls throwing themselves at him because he's very rich and famous.

So you're going to speculate on their sex life now, classy.

 

[Future]

it's not a punishment. Kobe entitled her half his shit when they married, now she left and she took that half with her.

And that's the problem. The fact that things get split in half by default. It's an outdated custom that should be removed from the equation. I know it can be through prenup, but it shouldn't need one.

 

[Devolution]

And that's the problem. The fact that things get split in half by default. It's an outdated custom that should be removed from the equation. I know it can be through prenup, but it shouldn't need one.

Why? Why even fucking marry in the first place. I don't think people in this thread understand the point of it.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

So you're going to speculate on their sex life now, classy.

No, just saying we have no idea what his situation was like.

Why? Why even fucking marry in the first place. I don't think people in this thread understand the point of it.

These days it's just a tradition to show you're committed to a person at the time. So many marriages end in divorce. When celebrities get married people don't expect it to last. I recently found out Kutcher married Demi, but found out because they apparently divorced.

 

[Satch]

use pre-nup
don't lose money after divorce

pretty simple imo

"you shouldn't lose half your money as a default after a marriage"

that's why you get the pre-nup

 

[Devolution]

No, just saying we have no idea what his situation was like.

Or hers. So why bother.

 

[Brobzoid]

And that's the problem. The fact that things get split in half by default. It's an outdated custom that should be removed from the equation. I know it can be through prenup, but it shouldn't need one.

In idealville people shouldn't need a marriage either.

 

[george_us]

Why? Why even fucking marry in the first place. I don't think people in this thread understand the point of it.

A question we can agree on!

There really is no point to marriage outside of the sweet tax breaks.

 

[Devolution]

A question we can agree on!

There really is no point to marriage outside of the sweet tax breaks.

Especially if you're just going to be fucking around anyway. I think we can all agree the trophy wife/family phenomenon should just stop.

 

[alphaNoid]

I just saw Kobe at Disney California Adventure a week ago. Rode the toy story ride on the same car with my son and I. He was with his kids and some other woman that was not his wife.

edit. Also, I am very happily married and glad I did so.

 

[LQX]

I just saw Kobe at Disney California Adventure a week ago. Rode the toy story ride on the same car with my son and I. He was with his kids and some other woman that was not his wife.

edit. Also, getting married was the best decision I've made in my life. dealwithit.gif

The nanny?

 

[Slurpy2k20]

So you're going to speculate on their sex life now, classy.

Not as classy as you hysterically defending her against every possibility that might not paint her in the best light. Yeah, it's just coincidence she's put herself in a position to get the maximum financial benefit possible. Sure, no-one knows anything for sure. But what's creepy is people like you, who feel the incessant need to staunchly defend someone who's better off than everyone on this board combined, and who couldn't give 2 shits about you, as if you're standing up for human rights or something. There's going to be speculation in this kind of thread, if you're so outraged by that concept, you can stop popping in here, instead of continually acting outraged over something so asinine. Get some perspective, there's a million other causes you can stand up for thats more worthy than whatever the heck it is you're doing here. How the hell is people on a videogame message board speculating on the sex life of a multi-millionaire hurt her, or you? You're the type of person that desperately looks for misogyny everywhere.

 

[Devolution]

Not as you hysterically defending her against every possibility that might not paint her in the best light. Yeah, it's just coincidence she's put herself in a position to get the maximum financial benefit possible. Sure, no-one knows anything for sure. But what's creepy is people like you, who feel the incessant need to staunchly defend someone who's better off than everyone on this board combined, and who couldn't give 2 shits about you, as if you're standing up for human rights or something. There's going to be speculation in this kind of thread, if you're so outraged by that concept, you can stop popping in here, instead of continually acting outraged over something so asinine. Get some perspective, there's a million other causes you can stand up for thats more worthy than whatever the heck it is you're doing here.

Show me these posts where I'm vehemently defending her. The only white knights in here are the people sucking Kobe's dick when he fucked up multiple times.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Fact is, no pre-nup is dumb. No speculation needed.

 

[Devolution]

Fact is, no pre-nup is dumb. No speculation needed.

Dude but why is marriage a partnership?

 

[YoungHav]

God this thread is terrible. The answer to Kobe's problems are not to sign a pre-nup, the answer is not to be a fucking horrible person and cheat on your wife and the mother of your children repeatedly.

Guess what? If you wrong an intimate party in such a way you are gonna get fucked in the divorce. Guys why is it so hard to be a good person?!?!?

LOL. When you've turned down the 6000th woman this year who wanted to sleep with you, come back and post this. Fidelity as an entertainer is not that easy. #1 Bball player? Kobe had a better chance winning the lottery than staying faithful, even if he actually put 100% effort in attempting to do the latter. He signed up for marriage and he deserves some shit for the pain he caused but don't front like it would be easy to avoid temptations if you were in his position.

 

[Count Dookkake]

Dude but why is marriage a partnership?

Er, not sure I follow.

 

[Devolution]

LOL. When you've turned down the 6000th woman this year who wanted to sleep with you, come back and post this. Fidelity as an entertainer is not that easy. #1 Bball player? Kobe had a better chance winning the lottery than staying faithful, even if he actually put 100% effort in attempting to do the latter.

And these entertainers shouldn't get married and have kids. They want their family at home and to fuck on the road. I'm supposed to feel bad when it bites them back in the ass?

Er, not sure I follow.

Making fun of the "why do I have to get a pre-nup" crowd.

 

[Barack Lesnar]

Not as classy as you hysterically defending her against every possibility that might not paint her in the best light. Yeah, it's just coincidence she's put herself in a position to get the maximum financial benefit possible. Sure, no-one knows anything for sure. But what's creepy is people like you, who feel the incessant need to staunchly defend someone who's better off than everyone on this board combined, and who couldn't give 2 shits about you, as if you're standing up for human rights or something. There's going to be speculation in this kind of thread, if you're so outraged by that concept, you can stop popping in here, instead of continually acting outraged over something so asinine. Get some perspective, there's a million other causes you can stand up for thats more worthy than whatever the heck it is you're doing here. How the hell is people on a videogame message board speculating on the sex life of a multi-millionaire hurt her, or you? You're the type of person that desperately looks for misogyny everywhere.

Damn, ice cold but truth.

 

[Baby Milo]

Fact is, no pre-nup is dumb. No speculation needed.

prenups don't mean much nowadays

 

[Timedog]

prenups don't mean much nowadays

Care to elaborate?

 

[royalan]

I'm pretty sure i told Opiate why getting half is stupid. You must have skipped it while typing your riveting argument that all men see women as pets.

The argument that women should get half in today's economy holds no water. They are no longer second class citizens who can't live without a male. A more fair, just proposition for women tied to rich and poor men is setting a reasonable cap at the standard of living in her immediate vicinity. She can still survive and can work to support herself, and a man( or woman for that matter) doesn't lose half of his assets to their partner.

The system is broken, and the argument that "he should have gotten a pre-nup is silly." Pre-nup are a band-aid to a shitty system. In an better world all couples would be forced into pre-nup when they get married, yet something tells me a lot of people would object to that, especially people like Vanessa Bryant.

It's been said several times already; the error you and others continue to make here is constraining the legal issue to women sticking it to men. That's hardly the case. If a couple were to divorce and it was the woman who was the primary bread winner and responsible for majority of assets accumulated in the marriage, those assets would still be split and a portion awarded to the man. Also, child custody is more frequently being awarded to men in these cases if it can be proven that it's within the children's best interests, with women having to then pay child support.

Likewise, in marriages where both partners work and contribute financially, in the event of divorce shared assets would be liquidated and equally awarded. You don't hear about this a lot though because these types of divorces are usually settled out of court.

It's not ingrained in the system that the man gets the shaft, it just turns out that way a lot because, as I've said before, men tend to prefer partners who are less financially capable than they. They prefer being the one who brings home the big bacon. So the marriage dynamic where the man is the primary bread winner and thus splits his wealth with his spouse is simply the most common scenario. But it isn't ingrained in the law.

And I'd like to think that the very fact that prenups exist, in all their wacky forms is proof that the system works (seriously, have you read the prenup between Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban? Funniest shit...). Marriage is a mutual partnership until designated otherwise. Makes total sense. You can't blame the system because Kobe didn't exercise his rights to use it to his benefit. And hey - maybe he doesn't mind sharing his wealth with his former wife due to all the shit he put her through?

 

[Onemic]

I think the real issue people are bringing up is why there is such a crazy bias towards women being almost guaranteed half of their husbands wealth when divorcing, but men do not have that same level of guarantee when they divorce from their wives. Pretty much why is a divorce usually seen as advantageous to a woman and bad for a man.

At least this is the vibe I'm getting from the thread.