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Konami makes new Suikoden trademark
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Hours Left
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I think the next Suikoden release it going to be pivotal for the series. Tierkreis was really a gamble that did not pay off, it didn't bring many new fans in and it mostly just pissed off the core base.
I still don't really see how creating a unrelated game with few of the features that make Suikoden unique was supposed to draw new fans into the series as a whole. (Which they said in pre-release interviews is what they wanted to do.)
Anyway, with the possibility of Murayama coming back and the fact that we still don't know what (if anything) the V team is working on, I'm actually feeling a bit hopeful. I don't think Murayama would return just to work on more unrelated spin-offs. A new main entry on a next gen console could breath new life into the series. Fingers crossed we hear something soon.
I still don't really see how creating a unrelated game with few of the features that make Suikoden unique was supposed to draw new fans into the series as a whole. (Which they said in pre-release interviews is what they wanted to do.)
Anyway, with the possibility of Murayama coming back and the fact that we still don't know what (if anything) the V team is working on, I'm actually feeling a bit hopeful. I don't think Murayama would return just to work on more unrelated spin-offs. A new main entry on a next gen console could breath new life into the series. Fingers crossed we hear something soon.
! Let's hope for some awesome post-Suikoden 3 Murayama goodness Augemitbutter
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agree on Fumi Ishikawa. when was the last time she was openly involved in a game?
i'm pretty sure she did the cover-artwork for the suikoden tierkreis extra soundtrack.
i'm pretty sure she did the cover-artwork for the suikoden tierkreis extra soundtrack.
Hours Left
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A really awesome poster on the Suikosource forums has translated a bunch more stuff from the interview with Murayama. It's mostly about the development of the first Suikoden game.
Any fan of the series should find it most interesting. (Konami wanted to make their own console? @_@)
Any fan of the series should find it most interesting. (Konami wanted to make their own console? @_@)
If there is a Suikoden VI, I hope it's more in the vein of Suikoden III where it builds on the gameplay AND story, rather than trying to be like Suikoden I-lite (ala Suikoden IV and that failed...) or Suikoden II-lite (ala Suikoden V, and that was boring).
Not necessary the trinity system again, but something new! And I'm probably the only one in this, but characters that look more like III's characters rather than V's characters...
Not necessary the trinity system again, but something new! And I'm probably the only one in this, but characters that look more like III's characters rather than V's characters...
Tenkai Star
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Xelinis said:
I know that guy, we post on the same Swedish forum. Namely the forum of the LEVEL magazine. Since he has the same name there I hope he wont get into trouble. I have asked the editor of LEVEL if I could translate it and post it here on NeoGAF and Suikox but I havent gotten an answer yet but stay tuned. It is a very interesting interview.
Tenkai Star
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Oh and by the way. The magazine and even more so the staff on that magazine when they were working on another magazine are known for give Jack and shit about the Suikoden games, and Jack left town. Think they gave Suikoden 2 a 7 or even a 6. Even when talking about game music they never mention Suikoden or Higashino.
Only time I can remember is when they had an interview with Nobuo Uematsu and HE said Miki Higashino is his favorite composer.
I have always complained about this and corrected them when ever they DO mention Suikoden cause they often get their facts wrong and when last issue came out the one who wrote the interview told me (translated quote) "You are gonna enjoy the next issue......"
AND man did I ever!
Still I really respect the guys and will not translate the interview without their permission. I may be legal to do so without asking but I doubt it and I really don´t know.
Only time I can remember is when they had an interview with Nobuo Uematsu and HE said Miki Higashino is his favorite composer.
I have always complained about this and corrected them when ever they DO mention Suikoden cause they often get their facts wrong and when last issue came out the one who wrote the interview told me (translated quote) "You are gonna enjoy the next issue......"
AND man did I ever!
Still I really respect the guys and will not translate the interview without their permission. I may be legal to do so without asking but I doubt it and I really don´t know.
Tenkai Star
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You will never know the wonders I have seen!Xelinis said:
Tenkai Star
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Oh and in the interview Murayama talks about how he got fanmail when they released the first Suikoden and he printed out stationary and responded to every single one.
All I could think about when I read that was "Can I buy one of those answers on Ebay?"
All I could think about when I read that was "Can I buy one of those answers on Ebay?"
shykyoichi
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QFTGunloc said:
Augemitbutter
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makes me happy to finally read another interview with murayama after all these years. he gets the utmost respect from me.
also nice to see uematsu praising higashino. i know he's a good person, but this makes him even better!
also nice to see uematsu praising higashino. i know he's a good person, but this makes him even better!
Tenkai Star
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Yes please. I remember years back reading an interview that said Suikoden 6 was being developed by the same guy that did Suikoden 5. Then not a word for like 4 years now. Think that interview is considered a mistranslation or misunderstanding nowdays.Himuro said:
shykyoichi
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Have everyone forgotten that Konami said that if they are making the next Suikoden it would be more Tierkreis-like?Tenkai Star said:
Segata Sanshiro
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Erm, what's all this "the gamble didn't pay off" stuff with Tierkries? It sold pretty much in line with most of the series.
Segata Sanshiro said:
They were aiming to achieve much higher sales. The whole point of the reboot was to attract new fans to the series as well as retain the old. Since it sold pretty much in line with the rest of the series and considering the amount of spite from the old fans, that goal was not accomplished.
lucablight
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That was a really interesting interview. Thank you for posting it.
Segata Sanshiro
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Well, I don't work at Konami so I can't pretend to know their goals, but judging from the way they treat their other franchises, I'm sure they don't even give a mild fuck if the old fans are pissed as long as the sales are the same.Xelinis said:
shykyoichi
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They aren't.Segata Sanshiro said:
Suikoden I (all editions) - 206,775
Suikoden II (all editions) - 416,790
Suikoden III (all editions) - 397,422
Suikoden IV - 311,815
Suikoden V - 194,780
Tierkreis - 155,777
That's for Japan. Dunno about the LTD sales for NA. Though if we consider S3's NA sales:
Suikoden III - 190,000
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With regard to intentions, again to quote Masayuki's interviews:
I've mentioned this before int the Official Threads for Tierkreis (both JP and NA): For a niche series, ignoring its core fans is simply suicide.
IrishNinja
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Gunloc said:
whoah, really? i gotta read this now. i so would/wouldve bought such a console on pure knoami-love if it was priced right.
daoster said:
praising III and crapping on V makes my soul hurt. III wasnt awful, it had an interesting concept i thought felt duct-taped together at parts. the plot almost worked better for me in bits of the manga, oddly.
shykyoichi said:
+1.
Segata Sanshiro
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I'm not here to wage war, so I'm not going to carry on, but I do want to say that if you look at those numbers (and if you had any US numbers besides one of the two best-selling installments), you really should be able to spot things that better explain the marginally lower sales of Tierkries than a continuity reboot.shykyoichi said:
As for your conclusion, Castlevania seems to still be doing alright.
Urban Scholar
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KAL2006 said:
have you played tierkreis?
Urban Scholar
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KAL2006 said:
I asked because as evident by your response you heard its bad. The game has merit if you ask me and its not like Suikoden games get cranked out year after year. Our speculation on trademarks and what not doesn't make the wait better. If you find it cheap I'd give it a go, just saying.
shykyoichi
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Tierkreis is touted as the direction/revival of Suikoden. And never once (except by fans) was it called a spin-off. Want me to compare its numbers with Rhapsodia, the Suikogaidens and the Card Battle? A SRPG spin-off, two novel games and a card simulation?cw_sasuke said:
Well, S4 did have a tremedous effect on the sales of all succeeding games. Konami usually don't release numbers for NA and I only have S3's.Segata Sanshiro said:
Isn't Castlevania a platformer/RPG hybrid? I don't see its similarity to Suikogames except being niche titles.
Augemitbutter
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there was a drama cd release for suikoden II in april.
sometimes they do care about their core fanbase.
sometimes they do care about their core fanbase.
shykyoichi
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I like a game that takes place in between S4 and S3.KAL2006 said:
Tenkai Star
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I have now gotten the permission to translate and post the interview. I will post it in a new thread when I am done. So far I have translated the first part, its about two pages in a regular textdocument.
Stay tuned.
The beginning of the interview
Never the best looking, never the biggest. But when other Playstation games experimented with polygons and prerendered backgrounds Suikoden chose to explore characters and worlds. LEVEL has spoken with the series creator Yoshitaka Murayama about the game that taught a hero to lead an army, and a producer to lead a team of developers.
Stay tuned.
The beginning of the interview
Never the best looking, never the biggest. But when other Playstation games experimented with polygons and prerendered backgrounds Suikoden chose to explore characters and worlds. LEVEL has spoken with the series creator Yoshitaka Murayama about the game that taught a hero to lead an army, and a producer to lead a team of developers.
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Gunloc said:
Sold pretty well in Japan though.
Much better than most new IP RPGs have on the DS.
edit: beaten.
Well for what it's worth, i think its somewhere like just under 50kish in the US
shykyoichi
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But didn't attract enough new gamers to replace the lost core fans. It did beat other RPGs on the DS as it is the BETTER DS game. No one is arguing about that. It's a great DS game. But it's not a good Suikoden game.John Harker said:
Freyjadour
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shykyoichi said:
It'd be interesting to see how many people bout Tierkreis that had no previous experience with Suikoden. Looking available numbers, the sales for V were around the same as it.
And that's my hypocritical post for today. I hate seeing this thread on the first page because my hopes rise to unhealthy levels.
shykyoichi
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I don't like providing anecdotal eveidences as proof but most of my friends who didn't played any previous Suikoden games, have and like Tierkreis. Then again, anecdotal evidences are moot.Freyjadour said:
It's not the worse DS RPG but it's not better than all the RPGs it outsold. The Suikoden brand may be on the decline but there are still people that recognize it, who bought this game because of it, and wouldn't have even bothered with the game otherwise.shykyoichi said:
shykyoichi
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That's like saying FF fans need to love FFX-2 with all their might.speedpop said: