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Kony 2012
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whats going on?? the link won't work
Hot Coldman
Banned
Actually it's more:
"Oh, you retweeted and shared a link about Joseph Kony? Tell me about the further reading you've done on the topic- and more specifically, the organisation promoting it- to prove you're backing this cause because you actually believe in it and aren't just instinctively going 'NO BAD MAN I WILL STOP YOU'"
So yeah. No-one against KONY2012 is against the expanded knowledge of a situation, they're against those organising it all.
Napoleonthechimp
Member
You are missing the point. People will only give a shit if it means they don't have to change their quality of life or give up luxurious items that only exist due to the exploitation and destruction of innocent people.
Future Foundation
Member
The thing would only be about five minutes long.
Really? Because (at least on my FB feeds/message boards), the anti-IC movement has gained about as much steam as the Kony video (In fact, the Visible Children post and The Daily What posts are outnumbering the video).
Apparantly most of my friends are idiots then.
Biff
Member
As shitty as this is to admit, I'm neither here nor there on the cause. I'm following this because it has the potential to bring more power to the Internet than ever documented.
I want this to succeed because it would give a completely new level of legitimacy to a tool whose freedom was threatened by something as seemingly ridiculous as SOPA.
It also might hinder the average tween from using the Internet for Justin Bieber and rage comics rather than actual education. Even if the information is extremely biased with glaring undertones of White Man Burden, it's still better than some kid spending half an hour browsing Facebook or I Can Haz Cheezburger.
I want this to succeed because it would give a completely new level of legitimacy to a tool whose freedom was threatened by something as seemingly ridiculous as SOPA.
It also might hinder the average tween from using the Internet for Justin Bieber and rage comics rather than actual education. Even if the information is extremely biased with glaring undertones of White Man Burden, it's still better than some kid spending half an hour browsing Facebook or I Can Haz Cheezburger.
My Facebook feed is a catalogue of blind acceptance, it's quite worrying.
One slickly produced video, from an organisation they'd never heard of, which is making money from every single click on that video and every donation they get, which they just accept without question. Then share either from a belief in the cause, or just to not look less 'caring' than the people they know.
From looking into the organisation there are just too many questions here, their closeness to the Ugandan military especially who have their own catalogue of crimes.
Something doesn't seem right about this at all, and makes you think really. Imagine wartime propaganda played out over the Internet now, quite scary ...
One slickly produced video, from an organisation they'd never heard of, which is making money from every single click on that video and every donation they get, which they just accept without question. Then share either from a belief in the cause, or just to not look less 'caring' than the people they know.
From looking into the organisation there are just too many questions here, their closeness to the Ugandan military especially who have their own catalogue of crimes.
Something doesn't seem right about this at all, and makes you think really. Imagine wartime propaganda played out over the Internet now, quite scary ...
Bill Murray
Banned
I don't really understand the logic for being against it, aside from monetary issues and how and where the money is being spent.
At least it's raising awareness and people know about these kids now, who have been ignored for 25 years. Maybe something more will come out of it. Maybe not. But speaking out against it just doesn't sit right with me.
At least it's raising awareness and people know about these kids now, who have been ignored for 25 years. Maybe something more will come out of it. Maybe not. But speaking out against it just doesn't sit right with me.
The monetary issue is a big deal when an organisation supports a corrupt millitary, accused of many of the same crimes.
Their accounts don't add up, 70% of the money is going somewhere else. They've resisted transparency. Potentially just a scam for personal gain, at worst it could be putting more weapons in a region in the hands of a corrupt regime.
And in this age you don't even have to donate to this organisation to give money to them. You've already donated by clicking on the video, and by sharing it you've just multiplied that amount up by how ever many other people now click on it, and so on.
Many people still don't realise this, there's a lot of money to be made by something going viral. Let alone on this scale.
Anticitizen One
Banned
I swear to god this whole didn't exist until literally 2 hours ago and then it just blew up out of nowhere. It's as if somehow the internet just willed this whole scenario into existence.
I've never seen anything like it, but then this is a slickly produced video designed to hit all the right emotional buttons to produce exactly this effect.
It's the blind-acceptance of it by so many when the organisation has legitimate questions about it that doesn't sit easy with me. Especially with the money that this must be raking in, directly through donations and indirectly through kickbacks from pay per view advertising.
I've seen so few people question any of it, it's like a fashion statement but they aren't even looking into what they are wearing at all.
Future Foundation
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I started noticing it around this time last night, and by that point, it was already pretty huge. Funnily enough, that's also about the time the counter-arguments started pouring in and that got big in a hurry. This whole thing, if nothing else, displays once again the insane power of the Internet and social media. I'd actually like to know the exact time the video/campaign got started, I'd like to track how quickly it got so big.
Future Foundation
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I don't know if this has been posted yet, but Invisible Children has put up a page in response to all of the critiques that have popped up about themselves and Kony 2012. In it, they provide a lot of the information some people may have been looking for (i.e. finances, where the money goes, mission statements, their stand on Ugandan government, etc.)
GTP_Daverytimes
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Hope this shuts people up for a bit, claiming fake without the right information at hand is stupid.
makes sense considering how easy it is to fake things nowadays
I'm glad they're being honest now, but they could've prevented a lot of scepticism by being transparent before they decided to go viral/massive with this.
That's just basic control of your image. When you go viral, you need to make sure your entire house is in order because the world will be looking for reasons not to trust you. If there are any gaps or things that could be misinterpreted, the world will twist those things into reasons not to trust you.
I've always found Invisible Children to be a pleasant organization to work with that does generally good work. They're not perfect, but no NGO is.
At the end of the day, this is what matters. Millions of people now know who Kony is, regardless of how well-oiled IC is an organization. This amount of awareness is any cause's dream.
Arrowgigantic
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Anticitizen One
Banned
if we can kickstart a 3 million dollar 2D adventure game we can take down a Ugandan Warlord. Let's do this!
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
me too. Either way it needs to work. The world is watching now. If it fails then the people on that ICC list get cocky.
Nappuccino
Member
They had to know their spending was going to come into question at some point. Hopefully this means that they stayed legit and didn't scrub the numbers in anyway.
I honestly just want a happy news story to come of all this, instead of a huge fuck up where the focus is shifted from Kony to a group that isn't what they say they were so Kony can keep doing what he does.
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Yeah. Thats why you always stay on the fence until more information comes in. I told people I was skeptical and really wanting to donate. But for now I was going to hold off until more information came through.
I'm glad they responded so quickly.
That's the other thing about all this though, I don't see how you can have a happy outcome. The situation in Uganda is far more complicated than how it is presented in that video.
A successful man hunt conducted by a corrupt regime who have committed similar crimes?
You just bolster them.
Damn I was just spreading information showing I was skeptical of them.
I would never delete someone just because I disagree with them.
Devolution
Member
Yeah =/.
Nappuccino
Member
Obviously it isn't going to be a one and done affair, but this seems like something worth pursuing, especially if it really is just a matter of sending advisers there and not even our own troops.
I continue to be sceptical of their vague wording and incomplete description of what the money will be doing. Also, contradictions exist between their letter to Obama and their criticism-battling expedition: most prominently, why continue to work with the UPDF if their letter to Obama states explicitly that they can't enter the Congo?
Future Foundation
Member
Something I saw pop-up, a counter to Invisible Children's counter.
Devolution
Member
I'm probably not donating but the more people who know and give a shit about what goes on in places like Uganda the better.
Agreed, this is a good thing.
But there's just something not sitting right about all this. By simplifying it all, effectively Hollywood'ising it with that video, making Kony the focus there's almost an element of misdirection about it all.
The Ugandan Government is corrupt, the military guilty of exactly the same crimes. Get Kony, what really changes? You'd have a Government with a new found legitimacy, whilst the crimes and corruption carry on and the world's attention shifts elsewhere again.
I think it is really good how some of these people really reached and helped those in need. However I don't understand why they are so focused on arresting this one guy. I'm sure he is an incredibly evil warlord that should face justice. I just don't see the point in making it the focus of this all. Is the generic "help Africa" campaign not enough anymore to get people to do something? How will arresting one warlord change all the violence and civil wars that occur daily in Africa between all the militias and rebels?
This is my issue with the whole thing; Awareness is good, but not when it's misinformed and misguided.
Oh wow.
my biggest issue with the video was that I felt like i was being marketed to, not being educated... It felt like a 30 minute infomercial program telling me why I should help spread their brand and buy their shirts and action kits and litter my city with their advertisements, while providing me with the minimal amount of facts.
I also hate how they put a time limit on the movement... ACT NOW, THIS DEAL WON'T LAST FOREVER!
Also, the whole celebrity angle seems really self serving...
The cause is just, and if you in fact care about this movement, maybe strike out with your own voice instead of literally buying into the movement you're being sold.
I also hate how they put a time limit on the movement... ACT NOW, THIS DEAL WON'T LAST FOREVER!
Also, the whole celebrity angle seems really self serving...
The cause is just, and if you in fact care about this movement, maybe strike out with your own voice instead of literally buying into the movement you're being sold.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
What the fuck is going on?! I can't tell truth from the lies. Stop confusing me with Slacktivism!
RumblingRosco
Member
As others have said, this has gone insanely viral. I've never seen anything spread so rapidly; it's getting posted by a different FB friend of mine every other damn minute. What, exactly, is the purpose of this; to raise awareness/encourage the U.S. governments involvement, right?
Fuck that.
Seriously, in 2001, 90%+ of the U.S. supported the Bush operations in the Middle East. About 5 years later, the "let's get the hell out of there" sentiment became very strong, and now, over 10 years later, I constantly hear "the U.S. should stop meddling in foreign affairs" from (yes, anecdotal) many of my friends/co-workers. Then, this campaign starts, and all of a sudden everyone is supporting it to encourage the U.S. to not withdraw troops from Africa until this guy is caught and his regime crushed.
Sorry, I'm just raging. I'm 100% in agreement this douche needs to be taken care of, but I'm thoroughly pissed at all the suddenly 180-degree turning mofos I know that are ready to push the U.S. into another foreign war/situation despite being so strongly against the very same thing only 24 hours ago. I understand the conflict in Uganda is not the same as the conflict in Iraq/Afghanistan, but I still can't see these people as anything but hypocritical at this moment.
Fuck that.
Seriously, in 2001, 90%+ of the U.S. supported the Bush operations in the Middle East. About 5 years later, the "let's get the hell out of there" sentiment became very strong, and now, over 10 years later, I constantly hear "the U.S. should stop meddling in foreign affairs" from (yes, anecdotal) many of my friends/co-workers. Then, this campaign starts, and all of a sudden everyone is supporting it to encourage the U.S. to not withdraw troops from Africa until this guy is caught and his regime crushed.
Sorry, I'm just raging. I'm 100% in agreement this douche needs to be taken care of, but I'm thoroughly pissed at all the suddenly 180-degree turning mofos I know that are ready to push the U.S. into another foreign war/situation despite being so strongly against the very same thing only 24 hours ago. I understand the conflict in Uganda is not the same as the conflict in Iraq/Afghanistan, but I still can't see these people as anything but hypocritical at this moment.
cutmeamango
Banned
I just registered UDF2013 and UDF2014. I promise to send at least 50% of the money in medications, food and weapons for the new opposition.
At least it is nice that people are looking (hopefully) to real problems. Africa has tons of these.
At least it is nice that people are looking (hopefully) to real problems. Africa has tons of these.
Nappuccino
Member
I was under the impression we were just trying to keep our military advisers there to help their military with strategy. None of our troops are actually fighting... Is that incorrect?
Foxy Fox 39
Banned
Geez man. I hate how you can never trust people. Glad I didn't donate....yet....
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