Sure, why not. If we compare three things versus two things, the hyperbole changes,because the scale of where those three things fall gets larger. But this is OT so I will let it be.
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Sure, why not. If we compare three things versus two things, the hyperbole changes,because the scale of where those three things fall gets larger. But this is OT so I will let it be.
but on that basis, PS4 devs can get on with tapping the power on hand with compute etc, while xbox deva are still struggling with tools. You're still behind even when the xbox has mature tools.
DirtyLarry
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I have both consoles preordered and although the latest round of #resolutiongate featuring BF4 makes the One slightly more disappointing, I am still keeping it as I enjoy games period at the end of the day, and it already has two exclusives in Dead Rising 3 and Forza 5 that I am interested in at launch.
With that said, although I never fully aligned myself with one side, if I had to, it would no doubt be Sony. XBot's have always been very annoying to me. That corporate shill Major Nelson is a true douche bag, and I always found MS's arrogance to be very off putting. Nevermind the fact I had three XBox 360's RROD on me even though I take great care of all of my electronics.
So yeah, I am a gamer and I choose to own all consoles so I can play all games that interest me, but I would be lying if I said I do not find some definite humor in MS seemingly experiencing misstep after misstep. I cannot help but feel it is karma coming back to bite them in their smug, arrogant ass.
With that said, although I never fully aligned myself with one side, if I had to, it would no doubt be Sony. XBot's have always been very annoying to me. That corporate shill Major Nelson is a true douche bag, and I always found MS's arrogance to be very off putting. Nevermind the fact I had three XBox 360's RROD on me even though I take great care of all of my electronics.
So yeah, I am a gamer and I choose to own all consoles so I can play all games that interest me, but I would be lying if I said I do not find some definite humor in MS seemingly experiencing misstep after misstep. I cannot help but feel it is karma coming back to bite them in their smug, arrogant ass.
I feel like the $100 comment is a straw man/fanboy argument because it ignores Kinect. I don't disagree that some folks don't value it all, but ignoring its presence in value comparisons outside your own preferences is disingenuous IMO.
HocusPocus
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Skipping multi platform on Xbox one. Activision and ea lost my money with their poor work on Xbox one. Getting forza 5 dead rising 3 and ryse now.
W-w-w-w-whuh? BWAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!
Holy shit... are you serious? Do you even have the faintest clue about open-architecture development? I hope you understand that the myriad of hardware configurations make development on PC harder than on a closed platform like a console.
Wait... did you actually believe otherwise?
I'm a gamer. I want to play BF4 on next-gen. To do so on PS4 means $400. To do so on XBONE is $500. Are there other factors? Of course. But if I want to play the newest BF (or CoD) on the newest systems, those are the two prices I have to look at paying.
KNOWING BF (and CoD) run at a lower resolutions on XBONE means I now have to make some very odd decisions. Is Kinect worth that $100 extra? Along with media capabilities, etc. Is it worth giving up visual fidelity and frame rate for? Are the things I'm giving up on these multi-platform games worth what I feel I'm gaining by buying XBONE?
My point simply was that the PC vs. PS4 argument is much more straight forward as you would expect it to be. If you want performance X you pay $X. If you want performance X+Y, you pay $X+Y (although technically there are diminishing returns in that value, but you get the point. I guess diminishing returns would be represented by an inverse correlation on Y)
iJudged
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Lol solution: MS upgrade the gpu right now... All the Xboxes that were already manufactured with the current gpu, recall. Set up tech stations at all the major retailers such as best buy, target, walmart and let people bring their Xboxes to be replaced, upgrade the old ones as they come in, and get rid of the damn Kinect. TUHHDAAAHHHH 
is this the new "Sony will have the same DRM also. Just wait!!"?
The fact that we are getting 1 single <1080p game at launch with little familiarity with the hardware and dev tools leads to a very simple conclusion that we will see BETTER use of 1080p as the gen gets rolling, not LESS use of it (on PS4 that is)
Of course it ignores Kinect. They have not demonstrated the value in it yet, and have no Kinect flagship title until Spring 2014. Everything else is quaint conveniences, not worth $100 added dollars. And amongst the 13 territories it's launching in, it won't even have all the voice functionality ready.
Maybe later it'll be worth factoring in Kinect, but right now it's dead weight and I won't be factoring it in until it's justified in the value. You may add it if it helps you feel better about the comparison, but to me that'd just make it look worse: why is it there again? That's right, to focus on everything that is not important to the games themselves. So fuck it. Don't worry though, you can set the LEAN option on in the menu if it helps you feel you're getting your Kinect moneys worth. Then you can say "hey, guys, Kinect! Isn't it cool" and nobody will answer but we'll smile awkwardly trying not to make eye contact.
Pop
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TetraGenesis
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Ah, yes. Because the reason most people are siding PS4 is "brand loyalty". What with MS having built up none of that from this current gen. And Sony having not lost any of that this current gen. And what with MS having a perfect product and message that consumers attached to from the moment of the reveal. And what with Sony not making any smart decisions that lead to a turnover in console preference in their favor.
It's obvious, isn't it?
The only reason the majority of the internet is in favor of PS4 is brand loyalty.
Lol solution: MS upgrade the gpu right now... All the Xboxes that were already manufactured with the current gpu, recall. Set up tech stations at all the major retailers such as best buy, target, walmart and let people bring their Xboxes to be replaced, upgrade the old ones as they come in, and get rid of the damn Kinect. TUHHDAAAHHHH
it would be cheaper to crush them. but this is way OT.
when a Jackfrags starts saying ps4 MP looks better than xb1 SP, its official that something was f'd up bad somewhere.
And word spreads like the flu now, his 30000 followers create word of mouth real fast.
Captain Tuttle
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iJudged
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Oh yeah, total cluster fuck MS. I just can't get over it, $100 cheaper and so much more powerful, they will destroy them in sales. Take the Kinect out atleast and sell it for $300 maybe? Lol
TetraGenesis
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I often forget how much of a punctuation my avatar can be, hahaha.
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hellmonkey
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@ Pop It already is. Other than BF4 and The Order running at 1920x800, what other games on ps4 are not 1920x1080? All of the resolution/frame rate lists I have seen have confirmed 1080p. So far, nothing else has been confirmed lower.
I didn't realize you were making an entirely subjective case.
Nevermind then. Carry on and enjoy. Cheers!
XANDER CAGE
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To be perfectly honest, it doesn't. We're weeks away from launch and Microsoft really hasn't made much of a case for it being essential.
I'll give you that. The PS4, if a religion would be similar to Catholicism. Large, powerful, and clings to the old ways.
The Xbox One is fucking Scientology then by comparison. No one takes it seriously and it's full of space magic.
Bam Bam Baklava
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I didn't realize you were making an entirely subjective case.
Nevermind then. Carry on and enjoy. Cheers!
You can't prove a feeling my friend.
Didn't say "essential" said "value". Its in the box, it wasn't free to produce, it adds functionality not present without it. You may not value it's value, but arguing it has no objective value is disingenuous.
Voice commands not worth the extra 150? PFFFT. Shows how much you love the "future"!
SRTtoZ
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No but I feel like if the hardware was skimped on in order to put a Kinect in the box, why is there STILL a $100 price difference?
I don't think that's what's actually being said. What's being said is that the XB1 is more difficult to program for because it went with a non-standard set up, much like the PS3 did. And much like the PS3 the speaker thinks devs will get past the difficulty of the hardware and improve, while the PS4 already has tools that are easy to get the most mileage out of.
I have no idea whether that's true or not, but it's essentially what happened last gen -- the console the performed more poorly for most of the gen wound up having on-par or better graphics as devs got used to its complexities.
Again, no idea whether any of that is true and I certainly can't see the future, and it seems unlikely that MS's ESRAM makes things so complex that they had to drop down to 720p, but I think that's what the speaker is getting at.
That's a pretty worthless argument then.
Let's say Microsoft decided to pack in three pounds of actual shit, combined with a sack of vomit. Now, you'd be surprised: this is not free. It is a value. it costs money to hire people to sit around and vomit into sacks all day. Unsurprisingly, it costs money to hire men to collect their shit all day into containers. Should we be saying "well, sure, you may not like it, but it's in the box, and it has a value. No use in trying to argue otherwise"?
Of course not. The value has to be present to the person buying the system itself, or else it effectively means nothing to that consumer.
QuicheFontaine
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Aren't you confusing cost with value?
I sense I am being baited here, or that this post was a humor post at my expense, or both. A substantive reply here is probably unwarranted.
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I used to play on a 1,680x1,050 monitor. Now I play on a 1,920x1,080 TV.
If I boot up a game that I forgot to change to 1080p I can tell just by playing it.
Yes, really.
Hell, I can watch a good 1080p source and tell if someone's not using 1:1 pixel mapping on their TV.
Riky
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Didn't it come out that Sony is losing $60 a console at launch whilst Microsoft is either breaking even or making a profit?
Also despite the memory setup being inferior I don't think the size of the APU with the Esram actually makes it cheaper to make than the PS4.
HoodWinked
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its really strange how the hw turned out
ms spent so much of their transistors for esram probably to avoid having to have expensive memory, but then sony just went and put the expensive memory in their console anyways and ended having a cheaper console for sale overall.
sure the kinect is bundled but $100 extra doesnt make sense still because they would sell this at cost and they removed the motor on it. the original kinect was like $40 when ifixit did a breakdown.
ms spent so much of their transistors for esram probably to avoid having to have expensive memory, but then sony just went and put the expensive memory in their console anyways and ended having a cheaper console for sale overall.
sure the kinect is bundled but $100 extra doesnt make sense still because they would sell this at cost and they removed the motor on it. the original kinect was like $40 when ifixit did a breakdown.
Ok that's fine, let's get rid of it. Now you have two $400 consoles and one has visibly worse performance.
So if you're buying a console for Battlefield alone, sure, get a PS4....
NathanMcMahon
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So your statement is that Battlefield will be the only game to show clear differences in visual performance?
Keep in mind that this is the only game on PS4's roster that is not pixel matching the majority of high def displays. Once we see straight 1080p pixel matching, it becomes even more obvious, especially if there's still a lack of AA on the lower res game.
oconnomiyaki
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Because the exclusives are better?
BF4 can't even run 1080p 60fps on PS4. I have a PC that absolutely hoses on both consoles and I can't even imagine what it will be like in 3 years. If that's what I care about, I'll get all multiplatforms on the PC.
I'm not a huge fan of Sony's exclusives, at least the ones they didn't kill like Wipeout. Probably the only one they've got left alive is Everybody's Golf. I don't like Uncharted, I don't like God of War, I don't like inFamous, I couldn't stand Last of Us, and so when picking a console, given that resolution isn't something that matters any more, I'm going to go with the system that has games I like.
I have neither pre-ordered right now. I decided to go with a Wii U instead.
How many people buying the Bone would actually buy Kinect if it were separate?
SwiftDeath
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Because people are naturally risk averse? We would have to assume MS's vision of what the XB marketplace was to become was of greater benefit to ourselves than what we already knew. The business model is dated but to assume the blame falls solely on the consumer end of things is asinine. Publishers keep pushing budgets up and up in some unfortunate attempt at making a great game by spending more money which is not guaranteed. These large budgets often lead to further generalization of games due to trying to "appeal to a wider audience". So many "gamers" have become disillusioned by the empty promises publishers still reiterate. And therefore we must on an individual level decide if a game is worth the full entrance price. More and more gamers do not believe this to be the case. Don't blame the consumers if your product is failing to meet your overinflated expectations
My statement is Battlefield (or clear differences in visual performance for that matter) isnt the only thing that could be considered of value when considering purchasing either console for some people.
iJudged
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Not I, and like 99% others who are getting the xbone. I am canceling the xbone as soon as I find a ps4 to preorder and get it on day 1. Getting the xbone when they do sell it Kinect less.
See You Next Wednesday
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I'd assume it was some scummy rumors with no facts behind it... Guess I should have know better then to not trust a negative Xbone rumor.
Caayn
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I would. And seeing the amount of people buying the PS EYE with the PS4, I think the numbers would surprise you.