Sleeping Lesson
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I have my PC input set as Game Console. Is there a downside to doing so?
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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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I have my PC input set as Game Console. Is there a downside to doing so?
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Rbk_3
Member
I have my video card outputting to 4:2:2 and TV in game mode currently. If I didn't change the output to 4:4:4 my TV kept switching back to PC mode. I assume you are in PC mode if you didn't change what your video card is outputting.
Sleeping Lesson
Member
I switch my chroma output all the time and it never switches to PC. I did have that issue on older firmware versions, but haven't in a long while.
Rbk_3
Member
Interesting. Mine would switch back to PC mode everytime I turned it on when card was set to 4:4:4
Sleeping Lesson
Member
Yep, that's exactly what would happen to me. I'm not actually certain that it was "fixed" with firmware, that's just the only change I could account for around the time it stopped happening. I'm sure I updated my GPU drivers around then too, so who knows.
Rbk_3
Member
Well, it can't be firmware cause I am on 1155 I believe which AFAIK is the latest
Bojanglez
The Amiga Brotherhood
This is slightly off topic, but related to KS800 (in my case EU KS700). Are any of you guys using PLEX? If so can you guys connect to a local plex server on a wired connection? I can connect to my local server no problem on wifi but on a wired connection it can not see the server.
This leads me to believe Samsung have perhaps restricted certain port numbers on the ethernet connection. I've submitted a support ticket but awaiting feedback.
I'm on firmware 1154 and the port in question is 32400 (I have tried accessing via PLEX app and web browser).
This leads me to believe Samsung have perhaps restricted certain port numbers on the ethernet connection. I've submitted a support ticket but awaiting feedback.
I'm on firmware 1154 and the port in question is 32400 (I have tried accessing via PLEX app and web browser).
No one knows this? I've looked through every setting I can think of, Anynet+ is off. And google is giving me nothing.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
I don't think it's possible unless there is something in the service menu. I have a similar complaint that's probably related. All my devices come in through one input on the TV from my receiver, and I don't like how the input auto-changes from Game Console to PC to Cable Box and back. It should stay on whatever I set it to but unfortunately it likes to auto-change to whatever device it thinks is hooked up.
That's probably a good thing for normal people but for more advanced users it's unwelcome. I end up having to check to see what mode the input is set to all the time. Your problem is, again, probably welcomed by most users but annoys you because you want to be in control.
That's stupid. I understand the good about the function, generally you would turn on something when you intend to use it. But still, sometimes I turn on the PS4 at the end of a movie or something so it's ready as soon as credits roll. Or more commonly, I play Smash for Wii U while the gf watches her awful shows.
styl3s
Member
0 judder issues with Last Guardian or Dishonored on PS4 and no judder issues with Gears of War 4 (campaign which is 30fps), Forza Horizon 3 or Recore on Xbox One.
I can test every game in my library and it's going to come back 0 judder because it's a panel-panel issue. Clearly not everyone here has the issue and neither of the panels i went through had it.
GametimeUK
Member
When swapping between playing final fantasy hdr and then to gta5 sdr (for example), do I have to manually change my picture settings every time to get a picture more suited to sdr?
Backlight is the only setting you'd potentially want to change. Ideally you want it set to 20 for HDR games to get the highest peak brightness possible, set it to whatever looks good and suits your lighting conditions for SDR content. I set it anywhere from 7-12, though some people go way lower in low light.
Yes when using Game Mode. Hopefully Samsung fixes this....
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
He means Backlight, not brightness. Brightness should be kept at 45-46 at all times and modes (IMO).
Link_enfant
Member
I've finally been able to update to the 1154 firmware (KS8000 EU 49"). YouTube app now switches to glorious HDR in compatible videos and really looks amazing!
Using it in the base, TV source which I've set to Cinema mode (Game mode isn't available there afaik), I noticed that switching to HDR automatically does the following: backlight to max (20), Smart LED to High and, iirc, Color Space to Native.
All those changes come back to normal when it's done displaying HDR.
Regarding that source, everything's fine and pretty clear.
However things still get weird when it comes to PS4 Pro and Color Space, even with the latest firmware. Dunno if that's what the OP mentions, but it looks like it.
To me, Color Space set to Auto just doesn't work properly on PS4 Pro.
I've tried to change the video output to 2160p YUV420, but it doesn't really change anything so I let everything on Auto (which in that case, outputs 2160p RGB and Limited RGB Range but I guess that's fine).
Colors look oddly washed out (with saturation setting at 50, default value), especially the red tints.
Like, the YouTube app icon and all of its interface look dark orange instead of the usual vibrant red. The difference with the Samsung YouTube app from the TV is huge.
Surprisingly, setting Color Space to Native on PS4 Pro resolves that, although at first I thought it was inaccurate and made colors wrong and/or over saturated.
In the default TV source, using Auto seems to be just fine as it doesn't change anything from Native. That's what makes me think of an actual issue with the Color Space automatic detection on PS4 Pro.
When it comes to HDR on PS4 Pro, of course I have the well known issue where it doesn't adjust settings automatically in Game mode, so I have to manually set backlight to 20.
I decided to let Smart LED to High in all cases, it's fine and I won't have to change it everytime HDR is displayed in Game mode.
It looks like Color Space should be set to Auto for HDR though, from what I've seen in the display settings of The Last Of Us Remastered, using Native seems to narrow the colors spectrum where it should be extended/richer.
Although I think I'll stick to those settings, clarifications are always appreciated so please let me know if I'm doing it wrong.
It seems the Sharpness debate hasn't come to a clear conclusion yet, and I feel like throwing another Color Space debate right there as if it wasn't enough!
I'd like to know if there's a general consensus on this setting for PS4 Pro (I'm pretty sure Auto is the way to go for Wii U and PS3), and if people using Auto on it have a significant difference on the YouTube app red tint compared to the one included in the TV.
Using it in the base, TV source which I've set to Cinema mode (Game mode isn't available there afaik), I noticed that switching to HDR automatically does the following: backlight to max (20), Smart LED to High and, iirc, Color Space to Native.
All those changes come back to normal when it's done displaying HDR.
Regarding that source, everything's fine and pretty clear.
However things still get weird when it comes to PS4 Pro and Color Space, even with the latest firmware. Dunno if that's what the OP mentions, but it looks like it.
To me, Color Space set to Auto just doesn't work properly on PS4 Pro.
I've tried to change the video output to 2160p YUV420, but it doesn't really change anything so I let everything on Auto (which in that case, outputs 2160p RGB and Limited RGB Range but I guess that's fine).
Colors look oddly washed out (with saturation setting at 50, default value), especially the red tints.
Like, the YouTube app icon and all of its interface look dark orange instead of the usual vibrant red. The difference with the Samsung YouTube app from the TV is huge.
Surprisingly, setting Color Space to Native on PS4 Pro resolves that, although at first I thought it was inaccurate and made colors wrong and/or over saturated.
In the default TV source, using Auto seems to be just fine as it doesn't change anything from Native. That's what makes me think of an actual issue with the Color Space automatic detection on PS4 Pro.
When it comes to HDR on PS4 Pro, of course I have the well known issue where it doesn't adjust settings automatically in Game mode, so I have to manually set backlight to 20.
I decided to let Smart LED to High in all cases, it's fine and I won't have to change it everytime HDR is displayed in Game mode.
It looks like Color Space should be set to Auto for HDR though, from what I've seen in the display settings of The Last Of Us Remastered, using Native seems to narrow the colors spectrum where it should be extended/richer.
Although I think I'll stick to those settings, clarifications are always appreciated so please let me know if I'm doing it wrong.
It seems the Sharpness debate hasn't come to a clear conclusion yet, and I feel like throwing another Color Space debate right there as if it wasn't enough!
I'd like to know if there's a general consensus on this setting for PS4 Pro (I'm pretty sure Auto is the way to go for Wii U and PS3), and if people using Auto on it have a significant difference on the YouTube app red tint compared to the one included in the TV.
Good catch, edited. Yeah, I never move my brightness from that 45 default that it started at. (Or was it 46?)
Noboru Wataya
Banned
I've been back and forth on so many settings, and I feel that the PS4 pro and this tv don't seem to work the "default" HDR settings quite right.
The HDR on games looks like it has a washed out grey filter, and this whole "natural colours" argument doesn't cut it for me, especially in games which aren't film. I cannot deal with a grey filter over all my games. So if anyone else feels that it's washed out too much in HDR here are my settings that help.
Picture Mode: Movie
Backlight: 20
Brightness: 45
Contrast: 100
Sharpness: 15
Colour: 50-55
Tint: 50/50
Smart LED: High
Dynamic Contrast: Medium (the very tiny bit of white clipping is worth it)
Colour Tone: Warm2
Gamma: -3 (This is a must to kill that washed out look)
Colour Space: Auto
These settings go against what the professionals say, but my god they make quite a better image for PS4 gaming imo.
The HDR on games looks like it has a washed out grey filter, and this whole "natural colours" argument doesn't cut it for me, especially in games which aren't film. I cannot deal with a grey filter over all my games. So if anyone else feels that it's washed out too much in HDR here are my settings that help.
Picture Mode: Movie
Backlight: 20
Brightness: 45
Contrast: 100
Sharpness: 15
Colour: 50-55
Tint: 50/50
Smart LED: High
Dynamic Contrast: Medium (the very tiny bit of white clipping is worth it)
Colour Tone: Warm2
Gamma: -3 (This is a must to kill that washed out look)
Colour Space: Auto
These settings go against what the professionals say, but my god they make quite a better image for PS4 gaming imo.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
From rtings:
How do I turn off the feature that auto turns on my Xbox? The Xbox uses a lot of power and I often use smart apps over the Xbox for games. Is there a way I can turn on TV without it turning on Xbox so I can manually turn on Xbox only when I want to play?
Go in 'System'--> 'Expert Settings'--> and turn off 'Anynet+ (HDMI-CEC)'. This should disable the feature that turn on the devices that are connected to your TV.
Edit:
Duh, you've already done that - sorry, too quick off the mark.
Aces&Eights
Member
So, do you have to change it all back when playing a nonHDR game or are you just leaving HDR on for everything?
Patiently waiting to hear from anyone who's trying PS3 games on this TV. Also, just watched the new Jungle Book and I can't at all get the motion settings to a good point even though I thought I had it somewhat decent. When Auto motion is set to off, or custom 0,0, every time the camera pans there's subtle but fast flickering on things like bushes for example, and during scenes with a lot of fast running through trees etc it's like the TV can't track everything fast enough so the screen looks messy. Like when an animal runs through the jungle the outlines of everything aren't well defined (a black panther running through the jungle has black ghosting around the edges while moving) and it all kind of mingles like objects are going outside their own lines.
Things like someone swinging on a rope in front of a bright sky will get a weird pixelated flicker on the rope ( same for Spiderman/Iron Man going past a bright sky). I've tried every combination of Auto Motion settings on and off and can't seem to fix some of these things. The LED smart motion thing fixes some of them but then the picture is too dim. Am I one of those people that's hyper sensitive to judder and screwed here or what ? I notice in any game if there's a framedrop for a second and this TV is all over the place.
Edit : For anyone interested, one of the parts I was looking at is at 18:20 of The Jungle Book, when Mowgli and the panther are walking toward a field. With Auto Motion off, the background as they're walking into the shot is both blurry and jittery with things all blending together and sort of mildly flickering. With Auto Motion 6 or higher, that goes away and is smooth moving, but things like the long grass in the foreground as they walk in flicker and have slight ghosting, and for a couple seconds Mowgli's hair has a weird outline of blurring ghosting/bleeds black into the area around him in the background until the camera changes to face behind them. At 20:30 the tiger's tail flickers as it runs along the top of the cliff, and then right after at around 20:34-20:36 the upper section of the screen has a wave of distortion go from right to left as the stampede runs by. I'm sure there are better examples but these are just ones where I noticed a bunch of small anomalies that occur at various times during anything I'm watching. If anyone else tests these, post it please.
Things like someone swinging on a rope in front of a bright sky will get a weird pixelated flicker on the rope ( same for Spiderman/Iron Man going past a bright sky). I've tried every combination of Auto Motion settings on and off and can't seem to fix some of these things. The LED smart motion thing fixes some of them but then the picture is too dim. Am I one of those people that's hyper sensitive to judder and screwed here or what ? I notice in any game if there's a framedrop for a second and this TV is all over the place.
Edit : For anyone interested, one of the parts I was looking at is at 18:20 of The Jungle Book, when Mowgli and the panther are walking toward a field. With Auto Motion off, the background as they're walking into the shot is both blurry and jittery with things all blending together and sort of mildly flickering. With Auto Motion 6 or higher, that goes away and is smooth moving, but things like the long grass in the foreground as they walk in flicker and have slight ghosting, and for a couple seconds Mowgli's hair has a weird outline of blurring ghosting/bleeds black into the area around him in the background until the camera changes to face behind them. At 20:30 the tiger's tail flickers as it runs along the top of the cliff, and then right after at around 20:34-20:36 the upper section of the screen has a wave of distortion go from right to left as the stampede runs by. I'm sure there are better examples but these are just ones where I noticed a bunch of small anomalies that occur at various times during anything I'm watching. If anyone else tests these, post it please.
Noboru Wataya
Banned
Until they fix game mode I am not using it, so when it is in SDR it auto changes. I'm not susceptible to the input latency. If you use game mode then you will have to change back.
BLAUcopter
Member
Just got the Australian model of this set and here are my current settings (if I don't list an option, assume it's OFF):
Picture mode: Game
Backlight: 15
Brightness: 60
Contrast: 92
Sharpness: 20
Colour: 55
Smart LED: low
HDMI UHD colour: on
HDMI black level: low
Colour tone: standard
Colour space: native
PS4 pro
Resolution: automatic
RGB range: full
HDR: automatic
Deep colour output: automatic
When viewing HDR content simply up the backlight and contrast.
Picture mode: Game
Backlight: 15
Brightness: 60
Contrast: 92
Sharpness: 20
Colour: 55
Smart LED: low
HDMI UHD colour: on
HDMI black level: low
Colour tone: standard
Colour space: native
PS4 pro
Resolution: automatic
RGB range: full
HDR: automatic
Deep colour output: automatic
When viewing HDR content simply up the backlight and contrast.
ss_lemonade
Member
Does LED Clear Motion differ between the ks8000 and the ks9000? I was expecting it to work like my w900a's impulse mode (black frame insertion) but I fail to see any improvement in motion clarity on my ks9000. All I really see is a drop in brightness. What's it supposed to do?
Well, couldn't try Killzone since I'm out of space at the moment. I did try The Order though. The game holds on to 30fps really well and I saw no judder whatsoever. I forgot how phenomenal this game looks
Carnby
Member
Well, after 2 days of use, I noticed my screen was cloudy, which created a prism effect on white backgrounds. I have returned it and exchanged it for a Sony x930d. (The Sony is waiting at store for pickup, but after reading reviews about the lag, it's going to stay there.)
I read all of the complaints about having a defective TV in this thread. I didn't think it would happen to me. Well it did. Consider this a warning to other potential buyers.
I read all of the complaints about having a defective TV in this thread. I didn't think it would happen to me. Well it did. Consider this a warning to other potential buyers.
TLZ
Banned
I'd suggest keeping the black level and rgb range the same, either full/high or limited/low.
Images look like you have some form of sharpening on, turning it off should help to some aliasing.
Having it set to zero or almost zero sharpening for a PS3 game looks like there are almost flat/smooth or unloaded textures. It's some of the blurriest stuff I've ever seen, for example Infamous 2 looks like the whole game is out of focus at very low or no sharpening. It's like either way it's gonna be bad :/
Traxtech
Member
Well i couldn't stand the motion stutter and insane input lag you get when trying to fix it (auto motion plus) so i took mine back and got a LG B6. Best decision ever, this TV is ridiculously good.
The KS8000 was absolutely amazing but those issues would have personally eaten me so i had to take it back for my own sanity. I'd give anything to swap my eyes and not be susceptible to these issues, all these years of gaming at 144hz on PC has spoilt me
The KS8000 was absolutely amazing but those issues would have personally eaten me so i had to take it back for my own sanity. I'd give anything to swap my eyes and not be susceptible to these issues, all these years of gaming at 144hz on PC has spoilt me
You need to set the input to anything except PC but also rename the input to something other than "PC".
The model you are looking for is the KS7005. I am not quite sure if the KS8005 or KS9005 are different other than the stand.
Jwebster24
Member
I would recommend setting everything up and use the picture settings in the OP as a base.
Then just try a variety of content, games, sports etc... and make sure your happy with it.
I wouldn't purposely go looking for faults such as juddering, DSE etc... otherwise it will always bother you. Just check you are happy with the screen for your normal viewing and enjoy the TV.
Traxtech
Member
Its the ps4s hdmi cec or link setting, need to turn it off
stargateheaven
Member
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
That's great news. Which model do you have? Are you in UK? Just so I know which UK model is the variation of yours?
All my 60fps games are perfect or around that framerate. 30s and its judder fest.
Even if I try 30fps games without Game Mode the Motion tech at whatever setting causing the image to break up, think of it like v-sync screen tearing.
GTAV used to be a solid image, on this TV the tops of trees are breaking up as you pan the camera.
Ok, will give it a go when I get back from work. Is that setting on the ps4, rather than the TV?
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Any 30fps content like GTAV, Dishonored, Rachet and Clank, Gears 4, Last Guardian etc.
Many thanks, this will help determine if I need to take mine back. Since I can't see other peoples TV I cant determine if mine is a duff TV or if its part of the 7000 series.
Many thanks
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Again, that's great news. Did you say your TV was KS8000 or KS9000 are you from UK? So I can find UK appropriate model.
Many thanks
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Very happy for you. LG B6 is an incredible TV, but at £1,000 extra I simply can't afford.
To take your TV back, I'm assuming you were suffering from same as me?
You in UK? Which model of Sammy did you have?
Many thanks
VincentMatts
Member
i just got patch 1155 in canada, what does it do?
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Only briefly tried mine. TV seemed fine, no juddering on a movie with or without the motion processor. Tried Forza Horizon 3 to check HDR (fucking gorgeous sunsets, btw) and I don't think there was any there either. The only "juddering" in FH3 was during cut scenes (driving up to a barn find, specifically), and could easily have been 2 dropped frames - which happens sometimes at those moments. Nothing like what I'd call judder during actual play.
meltingparappa
Member
FML. This outbreak of judder talk has made me notice judder while watching a movie from my PC. It was probably due to the source, but ghfdsgmfdgngngh. I can't handle expensive purchases without constantly second-guessing it.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
From what I've seen, it looks like a panel by panel fault, and if you have to look really hard for it, then you don't have it.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
It's 30fps on XB1, which is what I was using.