Lakerchick4life
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I just checked my TV(SoCal here) and no update available..still 1155
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KS8000 settings for gaming at 4k/HDR
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I just checked my TV(SoCal here) and no update available..still 1155
ss_lemonade
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Same experience here at the moment. It almost feels like hyperbole with the way some people are describing hdr. I tried out Revenant 4k a second time yesterday to spot some differences and yes, I finally did see a difference in color between the 4k/hdr version on my bluray player and the 1080p version on my ps4, but only after pausing at the same timestamp and flicking back and forth between the 2 inputs on my ks9000. The hdr version had slightly more vibrant colors but that was the only major difference I was able to pickup. If I had to do a blind test and identify whether I was looking at the HDR version or not, I honestly would not have been able to give a correct answer.
Those LG demos though show an incredible difference when comparing them being played back on my w900a (which is still a very capable 1080p set).
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Hi Gaf,
Seriously need your help please.
I've purchased the KS7000(UK) KS8000(USA).
The picture quality is phenomenal with 4K HDR with AMAZON, NETFLIX.
I am getting a huge amount of judder. I have original PS4 and on my old LG set (2014) I wasn't experiencing judder.
On this set its so bad I can't use it and its a damn shame because the image is stunning, but in motion its just bad.
I've played through the entirety of Dishonored Definitive Edition on old LG so its fresh in my mind. I've started a play through on the Sammy and the judder makes the image unrecognisable when turning left and right.
This is when GAME MODE is ON. When GAME MODE is OFF the problem gets better but of course you get latency between pad and screen.
However I must stress even when Auto Motion Plus is set to Auto or even custom at any level from 0-10 it only holds the image together for a short period then it starts to judder again. Its like the Processing of the image is out of time with the screen.
I seriously don't want to return this TV as it has a stunning image and I cant afford LG OLED but this is bad. I'm not being hyperbolic here the motion is horrendous.
Resogun @ 60fps looks stunning and the image holds itself together. It seems to be framerates of 30fps or less that causes the image to judder.
The Amazon Grand Tour looks stunning in 4K HDR but again there's times when the image is wonderfully smooth and times when it judders depending if camera is panning or maybe using a different framerate?
Rachet and Clank looks stunning in HDR but does judder occasionally where it never did on the LG. Deus Ex is unplayable with jerky framerates and bad judder the two don't mix well.
Turning off HDR doesn't improve the situation at all and neither does replacing the HDMI cable.
Interestingly, my XBOX One (not S) didn't seem to suffer from juddering, but I wasn't in Game mode. I'll test that in a few moments and report back.
Any advice will be appreciated. I don't even know if Curry's could/would accept it back?
Many thanks
Seriously need your help please.
I've purchased the KS7000(UK) KS8000(USA).
The picture quality is phenomenal with 4K HDR with AMAZON, NETFLIX.
I am getting a huge amount of judder. I have original PS4 and on my old LG set (2014) I wasn't experiencing judder.
On this set its so bad I can't use it and its a damn shame because the image is stunning, but in motion its just bad.
I've played through the entirety of Dishonored Definitive Edition on old LG so its fresh in my mind. I've started a play through on the Sammy and the judder makes the image unrecognisable when turning left and right.
This is when GAME MODE is ON. When GAME MODE is OFF the problem gets better but of course you get latency between pad and screen.
However I must stress even when Auto Motion Plus is set to Auto or even custom at any level from 0-10 it only holds the image together for a short period then it starts to judder again. Its like the Processing of the image is out of time with the screen.
I seriously don't want to return this TV as it has a stunning image and I cant afford LG OLED but this is bad. I'm not being hyperbolic here the motion is horrendous.
Resogun @ 60fps looks stunning and the image holds itself together. It seems to be framerates of 30fps or less that causes the image to judder.
The Amazon Grand Tour looks stunning in 4K HDR but again there's times when the image is wonderfully smooth and times when it judders depending if camera is panning or maybe using a different framerate?
Rachet and Clank looks stunning in HDR but does judder occasionally where it never did on the LG. Deus Ex is unplayable with jerky framerates and bad judder the two don't mix well.
Turning off HDR doesn't improve the situation at all and neither does replacing the HDMI cable.
Interestingly, my XBOX One (not S) didn't seem to suffer from juddering, but I wasn't in Game mode. I'll test that in a few moments and report back.
Any advice will be appreciated. I don't even know if Curry's could/would accept it back?
Many thanks
professor_t
Member
This is a dumb question, but have you tried it with Auto Motion off? It sounds like you only tried it in auto or at different values. I think I turned it off entirely (I'm not home right now, so I can't check).
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Hi,
Yeah tried it with Auto off and even tried values of 0. Same result. Battlefront runs silky smooth, but again that's high framerate, only seems to be judder from lower framerate games.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
Well, yes, the KS8000 has a great deal of judder unfortunately. If you're sensitive to it I suggest getting another TV, honestly. The only way to improve it is messing around with Auto Motion, but it doesn't work in game mode. Which sucks. Hard.
Conkerkid11
Member
Why do all the apps suck so much? There really needs to be an option to close them and restart them or something. Netflix just stopped accepting any input from the remote, Hulu runs into a problem where it can't play anything because of a server key or something, telling me I need to restart the app, but that's not an option. Xbox controller input is garbage, especially when playing media. And why is the only way to watch Cinemax through a separate Amazon Prime channel subscription?
Dunno how one TV can have more judder than another. Would blame the game more than anything.
Insane Metal
Gold Member
I don't know either, but it does. My Sony W650A didn't have much judder, but I noticed right away when I plugged my PS4 on the KS8000. Good thing although I notice it, it doesn't annoy me at all, so I'm ok with that... but I understand when someone hates it.
infinityBCRT
Member
hold power button on remote for five seconds to do a hard reboot. Sorts out app issues.
Conkerkid11
Member
I did that as a last resort with the Netflix issue. Didn't realize that's actually what it did.
That's good to know. Thx
WeAreStarStuff
Member
I have a question about audio out. With my PS4 I output to my 5.1 and it is fine. With the TV itself for when I'm using its apps I'm using optical out. This only seems to do PCM though, which limits me to 2.1 speakers, and does not allow me to select anything besides PCM; such as Dobly Digital. I don't use PCM on my surround system since I can't use it with all 5.1 speakers. Does anyone know why the TV options only let me choose PCM when I select optical out? Thanks.
So uh, I guess hang on to your 1080p sets if you want to play a PS3 game ? Tried 5 different PS3 games and every one of them looks astronomically worse than on my old 1080p set. The entire screen is covered in aliasing on every line on the screen, even in games like The Last of Us. I loaded up the start of the woods before Bill's Town, and the entire screen is just shimmering, there's even aliasing on the side of every single blade of grass and on all sides of character models. My old samsung 1080p actually removed aliasing somehow while edge enhancing made textures look clearer at the same time.
It's unreal bad. Game mode, movie mode, any settings at all, can't fix anything. You either choose heavy vaseline filter (with bad aliasing anyway) or increase sharpness for disgusting levels of jaggies. The image also doesn't track properly when you rotate the camera in game, the picture just dissolves into blurs and stutters. Infamous Festival of Blood is almost disorienting how bad it is. Everyone with last gen consoles is just fine with this ? Look at the full size.
It's unreal bad. Game mode, movie mode, any settings at all, can't fix anything. You either choose heavy vaseline filter (with bad aliasing anyway) or increase sharpness for disgusting levels of jaggies. The image also doesn't track properly when you rotate the camera in game, the picture just dissolves into blurs and stutters. Infamous Festival of Blood is almost disorienting how bad it is. Everyone with last gen consoles is just fine with this ? Look at the full size.
George Claw M.D.
Member
I don't have that game, but it does look bad in those screenshots. Have you checked if your PS3 is set to output 1080p and not 480p or something like that? If you just switched the cable from your old TV to the Samsung, the settings may have changed.
I made sure it was set to 1080 and even tried different RGB settings in the PS3, and also tried 2 different HDMI cables including the one I used to use on my 1080p set and nothing made a difference. But everything I tried looked bad. Uncharted 2, The Darkness, Mass Effect, Infamous 2 + Festival of Blood, Last of Us, Demon's Souls (this one looked the best, how ?).
I just played through FFXIII on my KS8000 and was pretty happy with the picture quality. Found it a bit soft, but anything more than single digit amounts of sharpness was too jaggy for me.
Viewing distance and screen size must also factor in, though. I've got the 49" and I'm using it from a good 7' away, so I have a higher pixel density working in my favor.
Viewing distance and screen size must also factor in, though. I've got the 49" and I'm using it from a good 7' away, so I have a higher pixel density working in my favor.
George Claw M.D.
Member
I actually haven't tried playing PS3 games on my 55" KS8000 yet, but you have me curious now, so I'll fire up a few games in a bit and see how it looks.
Ivory Samoan
Member
it's weird, I haven't experienced any noticable judder in games at all, but have in low quality mp4/video files, since I have it set to 60hz running through my PC input.
Turning Auto Motion to off fixes it 100% though, but the upscaling and hz difference seems to create judder when trying to get that SOA.
Gaming however, has been silky smooth as it gets: is it possible some sets can have judder and others don't? Maybe I'm just not sensitive to it (although I pick up on it straight away in TV shows with Auto Motion on to different levels).
Ironically, Judder Reduction increases judder when I'm upscaling videos on my KS8000: weird.
Turning Auto Motion to off fixes it 100% though, but the upscaling and hz difference seems to create judder when trying to get that SOA.
Gaming however, has been silky smooth as it gets: is it possible some sets can have judder and others don't? Maybe I'm just not sensitive to it (although I pick up on it straight away in TV shows with Auto Motion on to different levels).
Ironically, Judder Reduction increases judder when I'm upscaling videos on my KS8000: weird.
NoSkillz187
Member
Whoa I just realized that I never actually saw that LG Chess video in 4K/HDR since I was looking at it in the PS4 Pro youtube app. Just looked at it on the Samsung youtube app and WOW! This is the first time where I see an obvious and huge difference with HDR on or off. The colors just jump off the screen more. Can't really explain it in technical terms but it looks amazing.
wtf is up with the PS4 Pro apps? Why wouldn't someone make sure those apps actually displayed 4K and HDR properly?
wtf is up with the PS4 Pro apps? Why wouldn't someone make sure those apps actually displayed 4K and HDR properly?
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
You're not kidding. I've been with LG since 2014 and there is zero judder on that TV.
I really don't want to return this TV as the image quality is so good, but motion is awful. I can't believe in 2016 we are at this point.
You are bang on with judder on Clarksons hands, but on the opening scene around 2:30 driving across the scrubland there is judder in certain parts of the sequence, typically when the camera pans across the various cars.
Games that run @ 60fps are an absolute dream. The image and motion are just jaw dropping. But when you load up a game such as Dishonored or Deus Ex MD the motion is terrible. The screen literally tears itself apart when panning the camera.
Its a damn shame. It's like being given a Ferrari only to have a Nissan Micra engine in.
Don't know what to do. Gaf managed to get together and get LG to sort out their game latency time down. Don't know if we can do the same for the Judder on the TV or whether it's down to the technology simply not being up to snuff.
I'm at the point where I'm thinking of just playing 60fps games on my PS4, but then that stops me playing my game in several generations....Bloodborne.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Depends whom you ask. Some people aren't necessarily susceptible to Judder.
For me, it is bad. Real bad. High framerate your fine. Anything that hovers around 30fps and below the judder is spoiling what otherwise would be an incredible TV.
Jwebster24
Member
I have the 49" model and I haven't noticed any judder on content i've viewed which includes gaming on Xbox One S & PS4. HDR & SDR content on Amazon/Netflix, 4K UHD Blu-rays. Normal TV including sports on Sky.
It's possible some panels may have worse judder than others.
On a side note I have all picture processing options turned off (auto motion, dynamic contrast etc..)
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
I'm perplexed too. Dishonored for example, the image judders badly when not in Game mode. The motion is smoother out of Game mode but that introduces controller lag.
I'm totally lost now. Don't want to take the TV back, but I can't deal with this. It would be nice to know if Samsung engineers can tweak the processing via a firmware update but how long that will take and if its possible or even get the engineers to look into this I simply don't know.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I generally hate extra processing, so I'll try that all off when mine arrives. I bought it from John Lewis, so I've got 3 months to decide whether I want it or not.
Button
Banned
The Witness is so underwhelming in HDR. Is the standard PS4 supposed to have proper HDR? Honestly it looks so much duller in HDR, I think I'm doing something wrong. This whole thing is a mess with all the modes and settings. The HDMI black is my biggest gripe, it makes a huge difference but I don't know what is the correct setting. The other one looks like a bit crushed, but maybe it's supposed to? The other one looks nothing like HDR in my vision.
Jwebster24
Member
I've not tried gaming outside of game mode as I set my TV up with game mode straight away when setting up the picture settings and all has been well.
I've mostly been playing Battlefield 1, Forza Horizon 3, Gears of War 4 and Rise of the Tomb Raider on Xbox and the Resident Evil 7 demo on PS4. So a variety of frame rates, HDR & SDR games, plus the Xbox is outputting 4K resolution and PS4 1080p.
All I can suggest is trying with all picture processing option turned off, if you still have problems it could be a fault.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I'd be interested to know if the people with those judder issues have followed the rtings calibration recommendations: http://uk.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000/settings
Clockwork
Member
Not sure why that is happening. Working just fine here...
(Example: TV's Netflix app - The OA)
Getting 5.1 and the Dolby Digital light turns on in my audio system.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Yes. However its worth noting that my TV is KS7000. The KS8000 UK has Supreme Motion tech @ 240hz. I'm currently thinking if I should return this TV in exchange for the KS8000.
I don't want to spend the extra £400 and again suffer from judder if the supreme motion tech doesn't solve the issue.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
They're the same TV. KS7000 UK = KS8000 US
Edit: ok, I see what you're saying. Still, it's strange that I hear quite a few people complain about the judder but a lot more people, and reviews, that it is a very good set.
Traxtech
Member
Most of the time it's because people have come from pc gaming or viewing fast screens/plasmas so they can notice it right away. Everyone has different eyes, some can see it, some cant. Just like some people not being able to see the difference between 30/60fps everyone is different.
In my case, I'm 90 percent certain I'm going to return my Ks8000 and look at a lg b6. The jutter/blur in most occasions does my head in. Would be keeping it if auto motion was available in gaming mode... But ofcourse it isn't
60fps with interpolation is bearable.. 30fps games are an input lag party
In my case, I'm 90 percent certain I'm going to return my Ks8000 and look at a lg b6. The jutter/blur in most occasions does my head in. Would be keeping it if auto motion was available in gaming mode... But ofcourse it isn't
60fps with interpolation is bearable.. 30fps games are an input lag party
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Guys, can someone check their HDMI cable and see if it has a dot or a circle on the head of the HDMI cable. i mentioned yesterday that i might have accidentally switched out the X1 cable with my PS4 pro cable. One of these cables have a circle on them and i want to know if its the Pro cable. Thanks!
Oddly enough the other cable works just fine. My tv says it is display at 4k HDR and the PS4 settings state the same. Maybe it is not the X1 cable but another one i bought off the internet.
last night i tried Infamous First light and man it looked dull in HDR. Same with Ratchet. The moment i turned off HDR, both games got a boost in brightness. i just dont get it.
Oddly enough the other cable works just fine. My tv says it is display at 4k HDR and the PS4 settings state the same. Maybe it is not the X1 cable but another one i bought off the internet.
last night i tried Infamous First light and man it looked dull in HDR. Same with Ratchet. The moment i turned off HDR, both games got a boost in brightness. i just dont get it.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
You're 100% correct. A lot of it depends on what you're coming from and used to. My old set was a Sony SXRD rear-projection. I never noticed judder on that TV at all. Over the past five years I've tried numerous plasmas and LCD sets and some of them were worse than others but all of them, including the plasmas, were worse than the SXRD in this department. The new screens being larger also exacerbates this problem. 30fps games were where it was most apparent and annoying. I remember the first set I tried was one of the vaunted Panny plasmas that people here and at AVS always gushed over. I couldn't get over how framey 30fps games looked. I recognize that the plasma was showing me 30fps, just like my old set, but for some reason the framerate looked so much worse on the plasma. The SXRD has no interpolation or trickery, it's just a 60hz TV, but somehow low-framerate content just looked better on it. I always went back to the SXRD for various reasons but now I have the KS8000 and again notice the judder issues. However, it is something that I'm adjusting to and bothers me less and less over time. Of course my wife doesn't see it at all.
The fact is, I've tried many many replacement TVs and they all had annoying problems. I will put up with the occasionally noticible judder in exchange for the KS8000's low input-lag and a panel that is mostly free of DSE, clouding, flashlighting and banding which I find to be far worse problems that plague most LCD sets. It also helps that the KS8000 was less than $1000. Your tastes may be different. Some people can't see DSE, just like some don't notice judder. I can see it all, but after trying many sets I realized a compromise was the only way I'd ever ditch the SXRD for good.
Aces&Eights
Member
My KS8000 arrives tomorrow. This thread is making me both excited and sick at the same time. I'm coming off a Sammy 55 inch 1080p screen so here's hoping judder is not an issue for me. I also expect the calibration process to last well into March 2017.
Link_enfant
Member
Well, as the OP and other sources mention I may have the issue with Auto setting due to the firmware not being updated (EU model, version 1142).
Maybe that would explain why there's such a difference between Native and Auto?
I'll try to install latest firmware this evening (1154) from a USB drive and let you know if it changes anything.
That should also be the reason as to why Samsung's YouTube app doesn't show HDR even on proper HDR videos.
Another question regarding Contrast: I left it to 100 (default value, at least in Game mode), is that right or should I reduce it a little bit for PS4 Pro/Wii U/PS3?
styl3s
Member
That judder must be a issue with the panel because i had some problems with my last panel but never judder issues and my new panel doesn't have any judder issues and i have been using these tvs most of the day everyday for weeks now hooked up to a PC. Maybe that stutter comes from the new update because i don't have it and won't get it till known problems are fixed.
Also neither of my TV used those settings. I calibrated myself.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Well thank you sir for saving me £400!
I've made the decision to keep the TV. What choice do I have? The image is so so good.
The only TV I'd exchange for is the LG OLED B6 but that's an extra £1,000. I simply can't afford to do that.
Like the good advise from above, I'm just going to have to adapt and accept this until OLED becomes affordable, maybe in a year or two.
For the folks whom have ordered this TV, sorry if I may have taken the wind out f your sails. Buying a new TV is very exciting and my intention wasn't to put you off, but try and find a way to get round this issue.
Fact is, the image is stunning. Really. Games that run @ 60fps are jaw dropping.
But games that hover around 30fps or lower is really messy to me. You never know Sammy engineers may have tweaks coming in their firmware.
Enjoy your purchase as you are getting a truly stunning TV.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Well hopefully you're right I am on latest 1154. Maybe just maybe the next firmware will solve it. You never know, I'll keep you all posted. I'll be so happy if true.
stargateheaven
Member
i had a problem with the judder at first, i got used to it though. i don't even notice now.
i turned on GAME MODE to keep things natural.
1155 isn't out for me, even on the website for UK
i turned on GAME MODE to keep things natural.
1155 isn't out for me, even on the website for UK
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
Likewise. You wouldn't know or have heard what 1155 does do you?
ss_lemonade
Member
Wouldn't reviewers catch these judder issues? I don't think I've read one mentioning it before.
Are there any specific games where the judder is really bad? I would like to test this to see if my ks9000 suffers from the same issue. I've only been playing FF15 so far on my PS4 and haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.
Are there any specific games where the judder is really bad? I would like to test this to see if my ks9000 suffers from the same issue. I've only been playing FF15 so far on my PS4 and haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary.
N1tr0sOx1d3
Given another chance
FIFA 15 runs at 60fps.
Try any game at 30fps, typically a FPS.
Deus Ex, Dishonored etc.
Your KS9000 however does have Supreme Motion tech though so may have mitigated the sense of judder for you.
ss_lemonade
Member
Closest I have is PS4 killzone with the fps limit engaged. I'll try that later.
Wasn't "Supreme Motion" just Samsung changing some terms from last year to sound more impressive?
