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[Chiggs]

I am not claiming the E3 trailer was realtime, but what your saying is complete and utter bullshit. PEACE.

It's not what he's saying. It was someone else that relayed the info to him.


Edit: And why end the sentence with "PEACE"? :lol

 

[fortified_concept]

I can back up Singh on this

Game is great: confirmed

 

[hadareud]

Game is great: confirmed

yeah, we all know that fishie doesn't know anything and is a sony hater. And who is that che guy anyway, it's not like he's worked in the industry for ages.

anyway, thread of the day

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Admit it, you're that "someone" who told him! :lol

Who to believe, Jetjevons or Fishie?

Fishie, if you can say it looks like crap, you might as well explain why it looks that bad. I mean, that confirmed realtime trailer they had last year was pretty damn nice, how was the new demo worse?

They also claimed the Motorstorm footage we got last year was ALL GAMEPLAY, so dont even go there.

We have been fed a bunch of CG and realtime shit running on PCs instead of actual devkits in the past.
Many realtime stuff we saw up until and sometimes even after fall were NOT running on PS3 devkits, something I found out a few months ago and which at E3 was confirmed to me, by who I cannot say since that is confidential info.

I will just leave you with a straight quote from a first grade developer who we had a private room meeting with for a game that was not on the showfloor: I hope we can actually demo it since our piece of shit PS3 demo kit here has been crapping out on us all morning, I swear those things are evil.

 

[Lord Error]

yeah, we all know that fishie doesn't know anything and is a sony hater.

I wish I could find that Fishie's blog from a year ago, where every single entry was some kind of Sony bashing and FUD :lol

 

[Doom_Bringer]

They also claimed the Motorstorm footage we got last year was ALL GAMEPLAY, so dont even go there.

Lets go there

Last year when we showed the trailer at E3, that was like a visualization of our concept

oh and the game is already looking great! I really think Evolution will match or come close to the concept trailer just like GRAW...

 

[Funky Papa]

This thread delivers. I don't know what, though.

 

[Speevy]

If this is a launch title, you'll almost certainly see it playable very soon.

 

[Fishie flop oog]

I wish I could find that Fishie's blog from a year ago, where every single entry was some kind of Sony bashing and FUD :lol

Urm, the only blog I have is my Livejournal and that one is public, feel free to look for Sony bashing there, you wont find shit.

Here is the straight link: http://fishie-flop-oog.livejournal.com/

 

[Lord Error]

Maybe it wasn't you then, but I really thought it was for some reason

We have been fed a bunch of CG and realtime shit running on PCs instead of actual devkits in the past.
Many realtime stuff we saw up until and sometimes even after fall were NOT running on PS3 devkits, something I found out a few months ago and which at E3 was confirmed to me, by who I cannot say since that is confidential info.

OK, but seriously that's not what I asked. I've seen last year's Lair demo, and it was definitely realtime. They had a realtime demonstrations of it on several ocasions on PS3 devkits. So I don't understand how come they came from that pretty amazing looking demo to something that now apparently looks so bad.

 

[kikonawa]

fishie is a lying bitch , what does he now.. faggot Sega sucking CRAB LOBSTER

 

[chespace]

You can look at the Lair trailer and instantly tell it isn't real-time. You're not idiots when it comes to this sort of thing. If they can't even talk about whether it's real-time or not, how much more proof do you need that it isn't real-time? Trust your instincts and call bullshit when you smell it (i.e., Killzone).

I think what the Lair trailer does show are some cool gameplay concepts, like jumping from your dragon to jack other dragon riders and steal their rides, etc.

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Lets go there


oh and the game is already looking great! I really think Evolution will match or come close to the concept trailer just like GRAW...

Yeah you keep believing that.
They will along the way(looks like Sega Rally might actually be the first to reach that level) but forget about it with Motorstorm.
Regardless it doesnt fcking matter if they can reach that level or not, the fact remains that they delivered lies and CG claiming it was ALL GAMEPLAY.

 

[llTll]

something I found out a few months ago and which at E3 was confirmed to me, by who I cannot say since that is confidential info.
.

here we go again.:lol

 

[ELS-01X]

Yeah you keep believing that.
They will along the way(looks like Sega Rally might actually be the first to reach that level) but forget about it with Motorstorm.
Regardless it doesnt fcking matter if they can reach that level or not, the fact remains that they delivered lies and CG claiming it was ALL GAMEPLAY.

And you keep avoiding the question :lol

 

[Elios83]

Oh Fishie you're just back :lol :lol

 

[Lord Error]

I think what the Lair trailer does show are some cool gameplay concepts, like jumping from your dragon to jack other dragon riders and steal their rides, etc.

Is your cousin happy with the game so far? Really, why didn't they show another realtime trailer like they did last year. Factor 5 abandoned their tradition

 

[Amir0x]

(looks like Sega Rally might actually be the first to reach that level)

You really ARE just a sad ever-loving SEGA whore, you know that? :lol :lol

But this thread has turned into another FISHIE thread, courtesy of FISHIE. Why am I not surprised.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

You can look at the Lair trailer and instantly tell it isn't real-time. You're not idiots when it comes to this sort of thing. If they can't even talk about whether it's real-time or not, how much more proof do you need that it isn't real-time? Trust your instincts and call bullshit when you smell it (i.e., Killzone).

I think what the Lair trailer does show are some cool gameplay concepts, like jumping from your dragon to jack other dragon riders and steal their rides, etc.

btw that concept is stolen from GoW2. As for the Lair trailer the skybox didn't look all that great...the skybox in Killzone was amazing!

Yeah you keep believing that.
They will along the way(looks like Sega Rally might actually be the first to reach that level) but forget about it with Motorstorm.
Regardless it doesnt fcking matter if they can reach that level or not, the fact remains that they delivered lies and CG claiming it was ALL GAMEPLAY.

:lol

so let me get this straight... Evolution Studios which has made several AWESOME rally games in the past won't be able to deliver and yet SEGA who made the turdtacular Sega Rally on PS2 will?? That is some groundbreaking logic my friend!

 

[llTll]

You can look at the Lair trailer and instantly tell it isn't real-time. You're not idiots when it comes to this sort of thing. If they can't even talk about whether it's real-time or not, how much more proof do you need that it isn't real-time? Trust your instincts and call bullshit when you smell it (i.e., Killzone).

I think what the Lair trailer does show are some cool gameplay concepts, like jumping from your dragon to jack other dragon riders and steal their rides, etc.

take it easy man :lol

regarding the new trailer. yes i smell bs.

but then again. i smelled bs for Heavenly sword game back in E305 too :lol


i feel that the E3 trailer is CG. BUT, the last year one was real time

 

[chespace]

Is your cousin happy with the game so far? Really, why didn't they show another realtime trailer like they did last year. Factor 5 abandoned their tradition

What cousin? My nephew works on Killzone.

 

[Count Chocula]

realtime sped up.

 

[Alex Teh Lerge]

Even if its not real time (its not) the game will looks great and play great, way better than forza 2.

 

[Raistlin]

No it was not real time. I swear GAF is one of the only forums on the planet that seems utterly incapable of spotting CG when it is right in front of them, it's getting pretty sad people.

Umm ... sometimes it's pretty difficult to tell depending on the quality of the video.

 

[Fishie flop oog]

You really ARE just a sad ever-loving SEGA whore, you know that? :lol :lol

But this thread has turned into another FISHIE thread, courtesy of FISHIE. Why am I not surprised.

Hahahahaha, have you seen Sega Rally?
Bunch of talented guys working on that, it is really early and with a crappy framerate at the moment yes but it does feature the sort of stuff we saw in the motorstorm trailer like real deformable geometric terain and not the simple paralax maps we get with the actual Motorstorm and stuff.
They need to work on it a bunch more but I have fate in Sega Driving studios, and really they cant fuck it up more then sega Rally on PS2, that one was a real embarresment, if mizuguchi would be dead he would turn around in his grave, since he is not I will assume it drove him to substance abuse.
Hahahaha.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Even if its not real time (its not) the game will looks great and play great, way better than forza 2.

Forza 2 was 100% real time! NO CG here folks! In MS and Che we trust!

Hahahahaha, have you seen Sega Rally?
Bunch of talented guys working on that, it is really early and with a crappy framerate at the moment yes but it does feature the sort of stuff we saw in the motorstorm trailer like real deformable geometric terain and not the simple paralax maps we get with the actual Motorstorm and stuff.
They need to work on it a bunch more but I have fate in Sega Driving studios, and really they cant fuck it up more then sega Rally on PS2, that one was a real embarresment, if mizuguchi would be dead he would turn around in his grave, since he is not I will assume it drove him to substance abuse.
Hahahaha.

The same talented folks who made Sega Rally on PS2??? BTW Motorstorm still has deformable terrain...they were just showing a small track at E3...and its 50% complete.

 

[mashoutposse]

According to the F5 dev on the IGN boards (the one who said that he can't reveal whether the trailer is realtime or not), he says the current build looks like the latest screenshot that people extracted from the Powerpoint presentation.

I'm thinking the trailer is closer to a "Heavenly Sword" style target than an out and out CG sequence.

 

[Alex Teh Lerge]

asfar as I know the Forza guy even said hes disappointed with the CGI and the real game will look much better:lol Now Thats something you dont hear everyday

 

[Mmmkay]

they delivered lies and CG claiming it was ALL GAMEPLAY.

Since this thread is all about Fishe now (I don't know how we made it this last week without you, bud! :'( ) I wonder if your journalistic ear heard anything about Afrika? Game Hunter or Safari Park?

 

[chespace]

Customize and drift your dragon at 60fps.

Okay, I'm bailing out. Sony fanboys ftw.

 

[Alex Teh Lerge]

According to the F5 dev on the IGN boards (the one who said that he can't reveal whether the trailer is realtime or not), he says the current build looks like the latest screenshot that people extracted from the Powerpoint presentation.

I'm thinking the trailer is closer to a "Heavenly Sword" style target than an out and out CG sequence.

what screen shots?

 

[Fishie flop oog]

btw that concept is stolen from GoW2. As for the Lair trailer the skybox didn't look all that great...the skybox in Killzone was amazing!


:lol

so let me get this straight... Evolution Studios which has made several AWESOME rally games in the past won't be able to deliver and yet SEGA who made the turdtacular Sega Rally on PS2 will?? That is some groundbreaking logic my friend!

We had a closed door session with Evolution studios and filmed everything, I assume that footage will be online in a couple of weeks.
I love evolution studios and I KNOW that they wont be able to deliver on the promis of the all CG footage they showed last year.
Meanwhile, dont underestimate Sega's new driving studio.
Its based in Europe and consists of some of the most talented individuals from the European scene, this is a new team formed with talent that has proven itself at Evolution, Codemasters etcetera, these are some of the best this industry has to offer.

 

[Lord Error]

OK Fishie, stop talking about Sega, and tell me did the Lair demo you saw a week ago was really worse looking than their last year trailer? What prompted you to think it's so bad looking.

According to the F5 dev on the IGN boards (the one who said that he can't reveal whether the trailer is realtime or not), he says the current build looks like the latest screenshot that people extracted from the Powerpoint presentation.

I'm thinking the trailer is closer to a "Heavenly Sword" style target than an out and out CG sequence.

Could be, well hopefully... The assets used in that new E3 trailer did look no better than the screenshot from powerpoint (which was a realtime image). The trailer seemed to have much too good motion blur and AA though, so it might be simillar situation.

 

[ELS-01X]

what screen shots?

 

[Doom_Bringer]

We had a closed door session with Evolution studios and filmed everything, I assume that footage will be online in a couple of weeks.
I love evolution studios and I KNOW that they wont be able to deliver on the promis of the all CG footage they showed last year.
Meanwhile, dont underestimate Sega's new driving studio.
Its based in Europe and consists of some of the most talented individuals from the European scene, this is a new team formed with talent that has proven itself at Evolution, Codemasters etcetera, these are some of the best this industry has to offer.

Oh that's sounds great I hope Sega Rally next gen rocks. But you need give Evolution a break....the game is only 50% complete mate, now they really bring the entire package together in the next six months on the final PS3 dev kits which I assume they got in the last month or so.

http://tinypic.com/sdmuko.jpg

the screen lacks proper background/skybox. Add the yellowish sun set skybox and we have a winner!!

 

[Fishie flop oog]

OK Fishie, stop talking about Sega, and tell me did the Lair demo you saw a week ago was really worse looking than their last year trailer? What prompted you to think it's so bad looking.


Could be, well hopefully... The assets used in that new E3 trailer did look no better than the screenshot from powerpoint (which was a realtime image). The trailer seemed to have much too good motion blur and AA though, so it might be simillar situation.

Models, textures, framerate.
Lots of stuff happening onscreen, take control and framerate went to hell.

 

[mashoutposse]

Models, textures, framerate.
Lots of stuff happening onscreen, take control and framerate went to hell.

Does it look like the screenshot posted above?

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Models, textures, framerate.
Lots of stuff happening onscreen, take control and framerate went to hell.

did they add a proper skybox\backgrounds or does it still have the same skybox as the screen above?

 

[Fishie flop oog]

Does it look like the screenshot posted above?

Yeah sorta.

Anyways, im of to enjoy my last day in San Fran with Zerochan.
Back to Belgium tommorow.
E3 was a blast.

Oh and just this: All the pics and movies Teddman posted of me, those were all Photoshops and CG.
None of those things happened.
Especially the girl pushing dollar bills down my pants.

 

[Pimpwerx]

Fishie is Sega's Major Nelson. That's right, I said Sega. Sega that no longer makes consoles. But sour grapes don't turn into wine overnight. Give him another generation or two. The bitterness will pass. PEACE.

 

[CassidyIzABeast]

its gameplay with 16xAA, HDR, at 120fps!

 

[mashoutposse]

Yeah sorta.

Anyways, im of to enjoy my last day in San Fran with Zerochan.
Back to Belgium tommorow.
E3 was a blast.

Oh and just this: All the pics and movies Teddman posted of me, those were all Photoshops and CG.
None of those things happened.
Especially the girl pushing dollar bills down my pants.

Sounds good. F5 still has lots of time to work on it (assuming it won't be making the launch).

Safe trip.

 

[Apex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgW81km74lk

2:20

 

[DCharlie]

Just so we can complete the xbot sega avenging sony hating fanboy hatrick , heard the same as Singh. Although given i suspect we heard it from the same person, at the same party on the same day - that's hardly a surprise.

Got questions about a first party PS3 game in development at Sony? Contact Che who is working with MS on Forza 2

Got a question about PS3 Online?? Contact Major Nelso ASAP who worked on Xbox Live!

yup, because sony are just a rolling vista of straight answers and truth at the moment, i bet their response would be 100% accurate and trustable. I think their answer on whether this was realtime was "Shhh... don't you fucking DARE tell anyone"

Don't dare tell anyone your game is realtime? doesn't seem likely does it?

 

[Pimpwerx]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgW81km74lk

2:20

Good find, that's the video I was talking about. Yellowace and Fishie are full of it, b/c the game certainly didn't look like crap a GDC, and it was realtime then. Hot FUD sundaes for everyone. PEACE.

 

[Mifune]

How do you people think this game is going to play?

The stuff I've seen makes it look like Rogue Leader 2 with dragons. That little d-pad graphic in the upper left is right out of the Rogue games. And this possibility doesn't particularly excite me.

I want to see something non-flight-based from these guys. Resurrect Thornado or something. The Rogue games haven't really been much fun since the N64 days.

 

[puebla]

yup, because sony are just a rolling vista of straight answers and truth at the moment, i bet their response would be 100% accurate and trustable. I think their answer on whether this was realtime was "Shhh... don't you fucking DARE tell anyone"

Don't dare tell anyone your game is realtime? doesn't seem likely does it?

exactly. i think we all know the trailer isn't realtime. i'm sure the game will be very good looking though, and i really like the character design.

 

[mashoutposse]

yup, because sony are just a rolling vista of straight answers and truth at the moment, i bet their response would be 100% accurate and trustable. I think their answer on whether this was realtime was "Shhh... don't you fucking DARE tell anyone"

Don't dare tell anyone your game is realtime? doesn't seem likely does it?

It is possible that the answer is a bit more complex. Based on the way the conference was structured this time (with a strong emphasis on realtime demonstrations and videos), Sony seems well aware of all of the controversy surrounding last year's demo reel, and they seem to be actively avoiding a repeat. That's probably why the Lair video sequence was so short, and why questions regarding it will likely remain unanswered until the game is presentable.

 

[ELS-01X]

I want to see something non-flight-based from these guys. Resurrect Thornado or something. The Rogue games haven't really been much fun since the N64 days.

After Rebel Strike, I don't want to see that.

 

[DCharlie]

yup, even if someone doesn't say things look too good at the moment, this is Factor 5. The E3 demo was, what?, 5 seconds long? I'm sure the game will turn out perfectly fine, it's just that the 5 seconds or so people are getting excited about doesn't appear to be from in game.

I don't know why people are getting so upset about this?