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[Suikoguy]

Why isn't there more outrage in this thread? Doesn't anyone realize how much this sucks?

Honestly, who really thinks that developers will take advantage of a hard drive that in all likelyhood only a small percentage of the user-base will own?

We are currently in the phase

with some transitioning

Edit:
Actually, i'm not sure we will see any transitioning into Acceptance.. for a while at least

 

[Mupepe]

Pretty much.

But then again we should've expected this since they were telling developers that the games had to run even if there was no hard drive inserted.

But that's mincing words because everyone took that as, "well, it's a detachable hard drive, of course it's not always going to be there" They really jumbled their message with this.

p.s. is jumbled a word? i'm so pissed

 

[Ironclad]

Pretty much.

But then again we should've expected this since they were telling developers that the games had to run even if there was no hard drive inserted.

I was expecting them to remove the harddrive from the package a little later in the 360's life, but it seems they did it right off the bat. Bad move, very bad move IMO.

 

[Ceb]

Uh, no. The PS2 didn't, but that didn't stop import places marking it up to $800-$1000.

That's right, the PS2 retailed for 39,800 yen. You're suggesting that the PS3 would reach price levels that are 100% higher.

 

[_Angelus_]

AniHawk...so what will a used PSP get me through store credit at GameStop? $160 And do they buy San Disk Pro Duo memory cards used? I have no use for it now.

 

[Rhindle]

Heh, if people are upset about this, I can't wait till PS3 pricing is announced.

 

[Mike Works]

The 360 will be the first console I don't get at launch since the Saturn :/

 

[Borys]

+1 for Juice, YTMND!
wait make that +1000 :lol

Next-gen = expensive. PS3 will retail for $399 easily. Then MS drops the price of the HDD-pack to $349 (not $299) and THEN hilarity ensues.

Way to splinter the market MS, way to go. Xbox pioneered lots of things and this is like taking a step backwards. Taking step backwards = Nintendo's route.

PS3 is still on target for Total World Domination.

 

[imastalker co.]

I told you so. (pats himself on the back)

you didn't tell me. this is oooooold news as far as im concerned. well, not the pricing, but multiple versions of the system at launch.

 

[Tim the Wiz]

Oh snap!

I was going to buy it at launch, but at this price, I'd rather not for now...

 

[element]

Honestly, who really thinks that developers will take advantage of a hard drive that in all likelyhood only a small percentage of the user-base will own?

People I've talked too say they are doing certain things with the HDD, just not building their game around it. Offloading, precache, and other stuff.

 

[Bebpo]

Heh, if people are upset about this, I can't wait till PS3 pricing is announced.

Except that with all Kutaragi's "it'll be expensive" and articles saying "it'll be $500", when it comes out at $400 everyone will be going "OMG it's so much cheaper than we expected, Sony is awesome!".

MS's problem is that they led everyone to believe they would be releasing the system at a great price with all the goodies included so of course the truth isn't as sweet.

 

[Ceb]

$300 for xbox 360, even without HDD and wireless stuff is a great price. You all bought PS2s without HDD, wireless etc. for $300 too 5 years ago and xbox 360 offers more than the PS2, without taking into account inflation etc. With Xbox you got a hdd for $300 but that was an extreme situation unlikely ever to happen in the industry.

Myself I was expecting $350-400 with HDD and that to be the only SKU. It's cool that they're having a barebones pack as well.

I would be very surprised if PS3 launches at $300 in ANY form.

Nice spin. The PS2 at least offered an "luxury" extra in the form of DVD playback. Standard pack of X360 gives us... what?

Note: It's not that I think any of the price points are unaffordable, but I think MS could've included some more "value" in both packages.

 

[pilonv1]

Heh, if people are upset about this, I can't wait till PS3 pricing is announced.

But Sony loves gamers and will give them hard drives, ethernet cables, wireless controllers and a carton of Pocky for $299. How dare you say such a thing.

This generation has proved that people will pay for things regardless of price. All they're doing now is artificially increasing the percieved value of the console, no different from the PSP launch.

 

[thorns]

Seriously, anyone expected them to release at $300 WITH HDD, wireless, remote etc?
I can't believe anyone was naive enough to believe that.

Nice spin. The PS2 at least offered an "luxury" extra in the form of DVD playback. Standard pack of X360 gives us... what?

Note: It's not that I think any of the price points are unaffordable, but I think MS could've included some more "value" in both packages.

You can play media off any usb device, stream off stuff from media center, music visualizer, online play out of the box(ps2 didn't have that, remember?) etc. I don't know if x360 will play dvds without the remote.

 

[B'z-chan]

Better have some content on that damn HDD MS. I want demos or Halo 2 or some shit. Or how about a full hdd with a game and a bunch of demos and movies and crap. really blow the shit out of just giving us a damn HDD. I will pay the 400 bucks as long as the HDD comes with stuff on it.

That was the mistake with Sony and MS this gen. They both had HDD's yet they didnt use it very well. They both should have come with demos and crap.

Now bring on the REV and PS3 please next gen me cants wait.

 

[Rhindle]

+1 for Juice, YTMND!
wait make that +1000 :lol

Next-gen = expensive. PS3 will retail for $399 easily. Then MS drops the price of the HDD-pack to $349 (not $299) and THEN hilarity ensues.

Way to splinter the market MS, way to go. Xbox pioneered lots of things and this is like taking a step backwards. Taking step backwards = Nintendo's route.

PS3 is still on target for Total World Domination.

Eh, the $299 package will exist for a limited time, and in small quantities. It's there just to be able to say that the console was priced at $299.

 

[dorio]

$300 for xbox 360, even without HDD and wireless stuff is a great price. You all bought PS2s without HDD, wireless etc. for $300 too 5 years ago and xbox 360 offers more than the PS2, without taking into account inflation etc. With Xbox you got a hdd for $300 but that was an extreme situation unlikely ever to happen in the industry.

Myself I was expecting $350-400 with HDD and that to be the only SKU. It's cool that they're having a barebones pack as well.

I would be very surprised if PS3 launches at $300 in ANY form.

Good logic there, but I disagree that it's good to have that barebones one. I would much preferred them have the lowest sku include a hardrive for $360. Maybe they are saying screw old xbox owners, let's go after the ps2 owners who expect less for more.

 

[_Angelus_]

Theres this 90 year old lady that stares at me when I come back from my daily jog. I suppose Microsoft has put me in a compromising position now. How the hell am I ever going to put up with the smell of of Ben Gay and moth balls:/

 

[Chittagong]

The 399e version:

 

[Ironclad]

Seriously, anyone expected them to release at $300 WITH HDD, wireless, remote etc?
I can't believe anyone was naive enough to believe that.

Nope, just expecting the console with HDD and wireless controller for $300. I hd my doubts to begin with but this would have been an ideal package. Especially if they're bragging about the wireless controllers.

 

[Andvary]

Seriously, anyone expected them to release at $300 WITH HDD, wireless, remote etc?
I can't believe anyone was naive enough to believe that.

most xbots expected that.

 

[KingJ2002]

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here's hoping microsoft cuts a deal with xbox live... ya know... sign up for 2 years with xbox live gold... get 100 dollars off or something.

 

[TTP]

Nice spin. The PS2 at least offered an "luxury" extra in the form of DVD playback. Standard pack of X360 gives us... what?

Note: It's not that I think any of the price points are unaffordable, but I think MS could've included some more "value" in both packages.

They should have included at least the headset in the standard package. It still comes with the free Silver Live right? Or the HDD omission means you dont get that either? You'll be probably able to save your profile on a Memory Card right? And what about the out of the box backwards compatibility?

 

[Izzy]

Seriously, anyone expected them to release at $300 WITH HDD, wireless, remote etc?
I can't believe anyone was naive enough to believe that.

you guys and your stupid conspiracy theories make my head hurt. its been OFFICIALLY (j allard)stated numerous times that MS only plans to launch 1 configuration of the xbox and theres already a SKU...1 SKU mind you for the 360 at retailers. Why is it so hard to understand that theres only 1 at launch when all the facts are already there? geez. 360 with hard drive and all the crap you need to run the damn thing for ~299. thats it. theres no 200 gig drive, no HD DVD at launch no insane bundle for $100 more, no 360 WITHOUT an HDD.

There are more ... :lol

 

[argon]

I hope this isn't true. I was really looking forward to getting an X360 but theres no way i'd buy one at $399 at launch. The most i'll go is $300 with the HDD included.

With both Microsoft and Sony in a pricy console tech war, I really feel like they are pricing themselves out of that casual market which they so prize.. It just seems like casuals will think twice before dropping $400 on a console + $50-$60 for a game, no matter how cool it is.

 

[Suikoguy]

But Sony loves gamers and will give them hard drives, ethernet cables, wireless controllers and a carton of Pocky for $299. How dare you say such a thing.

Nope, the 299.99 package will contain just the PS3, in fact it may very well be 349.99 (but I don't expect 399.99, not without something else)

Simple logic made this apparent a long time ago, people just expected MS to continue to bleed cash cause they have so much, and did it with the xbox.

They should have included at least the headset in the standard package. It still comes with the free Silver Live right? Or the HDD omission means you dont get that either? You'll be probably able to save your profile on a Memory Card right? And what about the out of the box backwards compatibility?

It was confirmed awhile ago that your profile can be saved on the memory card

 

[Shompola]

they could atleast include that vga cable aswell, bastards.

 

[seanoff]

I'm now expecting the PS3 to launch at $350 with the normal PS pack. 1 blue tooth controller, console. Same as the PS2 pack basically. BR/DVD/CD controlled from the controller. Everything else optional accessory.

Gives Sony wiggle room they may not have been expecting.

Of course i could be completely wrong one way or the other.

Note for Aussie members. 400 Euro will give a price of $650AUD (OUCH)

 

[XMonkey]

Sale -1. I'll just let one of my roommates pick it up and be bent over by this dual-SKU business.

Bad move.

 

[element]

it was always fun to see the conspiracy theories :lol

 

[_Angelus_]

I was expecting $330 to be honest. $70 more isn't that bad I guess,its just disapointing is all,I'll certainly buy one. Its just another means of gauging from our favorite entertainments,still sucks the big one,ALOT.

 

[Bebpo]

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here's hoping microsoft cuts a deal with xbox live... ya know... sign up for 2 years with xbox live gold... get 100 dollars off or something.

X360 good package $399
2nd wireless controller $30-35
Xbox live gold $50?

after tax that's gonna go over $500 before you even buy a single game. They better have some kind of special deal on live at that price. Heck, the $399 version should give a full year of live IMO.

 

[drohne]

lol johnny nighttrain

 

[demi]

Theres this 90 year old lady that stares at me when I come back from my daily jog. I suppose Microsoft has put me in a compromising position now. How the hell am I ever going to put up with the smell of of Ben Gay and moth balls:/

CLOSE YOUR EYES AND JUST GO FOR IT

Who knows, maybe she'll die! Life insurance!

 

[AniHawk]

There are more ... :lol

Already posted, but still fun to read.

 

[sangreal]

Seriously, anyone expected them to release at $300 WITH HDD, wireless, remote etc?
I can't believe anyone was naive enough to believe that.

I didn't expect (though I did hope for) $300, but there are many values between $300 and $400. Throw in a year (or some months atleast) of XBL gold and maybe we'll talk.

 

[Idioteque]

Over at ign everyone is claiming this to be fake.

 

[The Faceless Master]

oh crap, forgot about memory cards... guess that means i'll either go with $399 or just not buy one... leaning towards "wait for pricedrop"

 

[thorns]

They should definately have some months of free xbox live in $400, I agree completely.

 

[Suikoguy]

Over at ign everyone is claiming this to be fake.

Like I said at the top of this page, phase one

 

[Demigod Mac]

Could you install a HDD into the $299 version? Add-on perhaps?

 

[Ghost]

So does the $399 come with a wireless adapter or not? its not in the picture. If it just comes with an ethernet cable that's fucking weak, unless it's like 200ft long or something.

 

[Chittagong]

Over at ign everyone is claiming this to be fake.

This is not fake, it's absolutely true:

- 2 SKUs
- One aggressively priced without HDD - 299e
- One expensive with HDD and some extra stuff - 399e

I didn't hear an exact list of the extra stuff, but seems to be the headset at least. Wired controller in basic set was a big surprise to me.

 

[Particle Physicist]

i find it funny how so many xbots were being so vocal about the ps3 not including a hard drive..

 

[dorio]

How will that pos look without a harddrive on top? Will it have some type of filler unit that doesn't have hd inside?

 

[Suikoguy]

Could you install a HDD into the $299 version? Add-on perhaps?

Yes, the HDD will be sold seperatly, although no price has been annouced.

 

[Ceb]

Nope, the 299.99 package will contain just the PS3, in fact it may very well be 349.99 (but I don't expect 399.99, not without something else)

I think the standard pack will be $399 (with Blu-ray, one wireless controller, backward compability).

 

[sangreal]

Could you install a HDD into the $299 version? Add-on perhaps?

yes

How will that pos look without a harddrive on top? Will it have some type of filler unit that doesn't have hd inside?

Like the bottom (vents), just indented

 

[pilonv1]

That's my point. Sony proved this generation people will pay for accessories. Memory cards, hard drives, network adapters, Eye Toys, Singstarse etc... Microsoft would be stupid not to jump in on it. The market has shown it is willing to pay for these items and the free ride is over. This will be a great thread to revist for the PS3 price launch.