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LA Times: Microsoft announces X360 pricing at lollapalooza 2005
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The Faceless Master
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LIVE requires either a hdd or memory card to be present.TTP said:
the base model comes with neither.
Particle Physicist
between a quark and a baryon
pilonv1 said:
i guess. im just not happy with where the market is going .. and i dont think people should just accept it.
The Faceless Master
Member
the one that they ship the most of...dorio said:
Mupepe said:
Right. But now that I think of it, we still dont know if the MC is even necessary. I mean, I can play online with my PSP even without a memory stick in it.
/staring at his image in the mirror: "WTF are you trying to defend Microsoft you stupid Sony fanboy?!"
The Faceless Master
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we have the right to tell them their $299 and $399 balls are hot and sweaty... you can buy their hot sweaty balls if you like...pilonv1 said:
The Faceless Master
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TTP said:
hey, maybe they lied about needing a memory card or hdd to get on live... who knows, i mean, it's not like the truth is too important to them... or as they say in business, their plans are ever evolving...Solid said:
element
Member
Custom Soundtracks are a requirement, and storage is what you want. Use your freaking PSP for game saves or to stream music from.
We actually don't know what comes with the basic model, other then a controller and box. MS knows that a memory card is need for XBL. As I said earlier, i think they might include one. Much like Sony did for PSP.
It is. A memory card or HDD.
Chittagong
Gold Member
Did everyone magically forget that every single owner of PS2, GC and PS1 had to buy a memory card?
Will Halo 3 require the HDD?
Or will it have massive loadtimes instead?
I really, REALLY hate MS's "nobody used the hard drive anyway." BULLSHIT! The best games on the Xbox used the HDD to great effect, and even the shitty ones that I worked on used it to all but eliminate load times.
Or will it have massive loadtimes instead?
I really, REALLY hate MS's "nobody used the hard drive anyway." BULLSHIT! The best games on the Xbox used the HDD to great effect, and even the shitty ones that I worked on used it to all but eliminate load times.
CabbageRed
Member
Chittagong said:
No, but it is a bit odd to ask every Xbox owner to forget that they *didn't*.
The Faceless Master
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call me when i post that in the PS3 or Rev thread...Chittagong said:
I agree if these guys screw themselves with underpowered(according to developers) high priced machines, we might be seeing the 2nd videogames crash. None of the big 3 are delivering that must have machine that you usually get every gen. MS games look meh and they've grossly mislead me in terms of what they would deliver, sony wants you to get a extra job to afford something that will aid them in their next format war and Nintendo doesn't even seem like they want to do anything besides talk about nintendogs.quadriplegicjon said:
anotheriori
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$299 + HDD or no sale, I don't care if its 8GB/2GB whatever. Not including it from the start means devs won't use it for anything, in that case I might as well wait for PS3.
$299 + HDD or no sale, I don't care if its 8GB/2GB whatever. Not including it from the start means devs won't use it for anything, in that case I might as well wait for PS3.
element
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Go play God of War or Jak 1,2,3 and tell me if they have long loadtimes without a HDD. A developer builds a game around the HDD. If the game can't require a HDD, then they build it accordingly. Not to say that some developers won't add things like performance increase or features (photo mode in GT4) if the user has a HDD.
You're forgetting:Chittagong said:
#1: Wireless controllers were supposed to be the standard next gen. That MS is bundling a wired controller, not a wireless one, with the basic package suggests they're falling behind times.
#2: The Hard Drive was a huge part of the Xbox. HUGE. Devs used it to cache game data to allow for better loading, and the hard drive also allowed for further technical advantages on Xbox games (Ninja Gaiden, for instance.) Not to mention the fact that you no longer needed to buy cards for storage, which was a plus for the Xbox.
#3: No headset or ethernet cable included? So much for the free Xbox Live for everyone!
anotheriori
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element said:
Still probably not as fast as GOW/Jak1/2/3 on HDLoader.
The Faceless Master said:
Then I hope you'll vote with your wallet and not buy one if you don't agree with it.
But it's got nothing to do with this $299 and $399 right now. Everyone who bought a memory card, a network adapter, a PS2 hard drive, logitech wireless controlers, GB Players. You spent money on something that wasn't mandatory to play 99.9% of games, manufacturers and publishers realised it and this is the result. PSP value pack was the first step, this is the second.
To me $100 is reasonable for the wireless controller, the hard drive, the headset, the component cables and whatever else they're going to throw in. I doubt you'd be able to buy them seperately for that price later. I'd prefer to buy a value pack like this than a forced bundle (and you know EB and Gamestop are going to be pushing those).
imastalker co.
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why force developers to put custom soundtracks in every game if not everyone is gonna have a hard drive to make use of it?
assuming the developer decides to use XNA, will it atleast making adding a custom soundtrack feature as easy as a click of a button?
even if there is multiple versions at launch, the no HDD really seems to go against everything xbox is all about.
assuming the developer decides to use XNA, will it atleast making adding a custom soundtrack feature as easy as a click of a button?
even if there is multiple versions at launch, the no HDD really seems to go against everything xbox is all about.
element said:
Yeah, but GoW and Jak's environments don't have as much persistent shit in them, and I'd argue that Halo 2's overall density in terms of geometry and texture is way, way higher than those PS2 games.
Look, I'm just saying that as an Xbox 1 developer the HDD was awesome, it was like a gig of scratch space you could throw all your crucial shit onto for insta-loads, and it's a major step back if that's no longer taken for granted.
BTW, optimizing for disc streaming takes a fuck-ton more effort that would be better spent on making the game better. Not all of us have Jason Rubin or John Carmack engines to play with.
I'll pick one up... when I get my HDTV. Probably the expensive package just to save on the cost of memory card, plus there's a swank remote controller in there.
As for the games...
Ridge Racer 6, Oblivion, PGR3, Odyssey, Blue Dragon, NNN... it should be a good day when I get all that.
Seriously though, it'll be a crime if this thread isn't archived. In 5 years when this iteration of this board is still around hopefully, we'll be able to pull it up and have a good laugh.
As for the games...
Ridge Racer 6, Oblivion, PGR3, Odyssey, Blue Dragon, NNN... it should be a good day when I get all that.
Seriously though, it'll be a crime if this thread isn't archived. In 5 years when this iteration of this board is still around hopefully, we'll be able to pull it up and have a good laugh.
Optimistic
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Ridiculous. Hard drive should be in every 360. The only current gen console I own is an Xbox, and if the 360 came standard with a hard drive I was leaning toward getting it over the PS3, but now I'll be taking a wait and see approach. If Oblivion is announced for PS3 I'll be very tempted to skip the 360...
The Faceless Master
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shit, after the whole TWO FRONT USB PORTS thing instead of 4, skimming $1 on an ethernet cable is nothing... NO PENNY TOO SMALL TO BE PINCHED!!!Izzy said:
do you really want these guys to be the 1 coneole in your future?
element
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Because you can stream music from almost any device you can think of. I'm actually looking forward to custom soundtracks even more, because I'm just going to point it to my PC HDD with my 11k songs. Instead of burning, then ripping, burning them ripping. I think I did that like twice and said F that.
Oh I know, I'm having to deal with it right now. While I agree that disc streaming it a bitch, I'm hoping devs really think about streaming this time, compared to Xbox where devs just said 'fuck it, just put it on the HDD'. I remember working on games and devs wouldn't even give two shits about disc layout or disc streaming because they could just 'dump' to the HDD.
What does this news say for Oblivion?
I really find it hard to believe that Oblivion can be played without the hard drive. Constant loading will be a major pain in the ass for a game this size. And if it did require the hard drive then the game will take one hell of a hit in lost sales here. Not that I care,but I'm sure developers do.
I really find it hard to believe that Oblivion can be played without the hard drive. Constant loading will be a major pain in the ass for a game this size. And if it did require the hard drive then the game will take one hell of a hit in lost sales here. Not that I care,but I'm sure developers do.
hukasmokincaterpillar
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Im disapointed with the responses to this thread. Has "The J" taught us nothing?
"Its about Software and Services man."
"Its about Software and Services man."