ZephyrFate
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Judas is definitely far better than Born This Way. Neither match any songs from The Fame Monster, though. Let's hope she pulls out some better singles.
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Lady Gaga JUDAS Hype Thread [It'll be better this time, promise!]
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Ollie Pooch
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More the chorus bit. Over, and over, and over. "I'm beautiful in my way.."BertramCooper said:
That said, I still enjoy the song.
umop_3pisdn
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I like it more than Born This Way, too, but that one also grew on me more than I thought it would.
krypt0nian
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Chemo said:
You may not like them but as far as her career they are doing amazingly well.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
But the Fame has so much filler junk on itChemo said:
Fame Monster was leagues ahead, imo.krypt0nian
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Give me my Judas video, Gaga. It's almost Easter. 
BertramCooper
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Yeah, The Fame was way too Gwen Stefani-ish for my tastes.julls said:But the Fame has so much filler junk on it
Fame Monster was so much better.
krypt0nian
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Marius_ said:
Cool with me. Trolling all the right people.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Nemesis_
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GAGAVISION 43 just hit.
The beat at the beginning is from some song. And she talks about the JUDAS leaks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Gs6d1-Sew&feature=player_embedded
The beat at the beginning sounds amazing.
The beat at the beginning is from some song. And she talks about the JUDAS leaks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6Gs6d1-Sew&feature=player_embedded
The beat at the beginning sounds amazing.
Souldriver
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I think the backlash is twofold.
First, as many people argue, it is that Gaga is trying to create so much hype by getting crazier each day, using the social media to its fullest potential, trying to create controversies like Madonna did (about religion), ... that it's impossible for her music, which is "just pop", to deliver on it.
Second, which I find more perplexing considering it is "just pop", is that there seems to be some revisionist history on what Gaga has accomplished before Born This Way. Especially in regards to the Monster album. If I read people's posts, it sounds like that album is a timeless masterpiece. But when I look at the tracklisting, I see Bad Romance, Alejandro, Monster and Telephone as good songs. Bad Romance is a fantastic song, but it still is just 4 great songs. Just because it's an 8-song album, which gives it a 50/50 on good/bad songs, doesn't make it extraordinary in my book. I know lots of pop albums that have 4 songs that I like. As for the Fame album, the singles were great, but the album is full of Mandy Moore bubblegum pop as well, that I think many people hate.
I'm not saying all of this to be negative about Gaga's music. On the contrary. I don't know how people expect Gaga to deliver on the hype of BTW and want it to be a "typical awesome Lady Gaga song/album", while the woman herself doesn't even know what that means: her career basically consists of 20 songs total. People tend to forget that, and it's as if they're talking about Madonna or David Bowie when comparing new work to previous work. You can't deduct what Gaga's music is or should be, going from such a short discography. Also, as her previous outings are being heralded as the apex of pop music by most people, it seems that no song released now could ever be good enough for people's expectations. Fuck that! BTW is a giant turd the likes of the filler tracks on Fame, but I like Judas, and it fits perfectly between the better outings of both the Fame and Monster.
This is all a big "imho" off course.
First, as many people argue, it is that Gaga is trying to create so much hype by getting crazier each day, using the social media to its fullest potential, trying to create controversies like Madonna did (about religion), ... that it's impossible for her music, which is "just pop", to deliver on it.
Second, which I find more perplexing considering it is "just pop", is that there seems to be some revisionist history on what Gaga has accomplished before Born This Way. Especially in regards to the Monster album. If I read people's posts, it sounds like that album is a timeless masterpiece. But when I look at the tracklisting, I see Bad Romance, Alejandro, Monster and Telephone as good songs. Bad Romance is a fantastic song, but it still is just 4 great songs. Just because it's an 8-song album, which gives it a 50/50 on good/bad songs, doesn't make it extraordinary in my book. I know lots of pop albums that have 4 songs that I like. As for the Fame album, the singles were great, but the album is full of Mandy Moore bubblegum pop as well, that I think many people hate.
I'm not saying all of this to be negative about Gaga's music. On the contrary. I don't know how people expect Gaga to deliver on the hype of BTW and want it to be a "typical awesome Lady Gaga song/album", while the woman herself doesn't even know what that means: her career basically consists of 20 songs total. People tend to forget that, and it's as if they're talking about Madonna or David Bowie when comparing new work to previous work. You can't deduct what Gaga's music is or should be, going from such a short discography. Also, as her previous outings are being heralded as the apex of pop music by most people, it seems that no song released now could ever be good enough for people's expectations. Fuck that! BTW is a giant turd the likes of the filler tracks on Fame, but I like Judas, and it fits perfectly between the better outings of both the Fame and Monster.
This is all a big "imho" off course.
Buckethead
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Things I learned from Lady Gaga:
Calling someone gay or fag = horrible.
Calling someone retarded = a ok.
Stay classy.
Calling someone gay or fag = horrible.
Calling someone retarded = a ok.
Stay classy.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
Kinda how I feel.Souldriver said:
The Fame was VERY hit and miss, much of it was throwaway aside from the singles, imo. The Fame Monster was certainly better. I don't mind listening to it all the way through. Loved Born This Way - I'm a sucker for a 'huge' sounding pop song - and Judas to me just feels like more refined and confident version of stuff on the Fame Monster. Love it.
I find her fascinating - I can't figure out whether she's just acting a 'character' and adopting the persona all the time, even in interviews, or just using the Lady Gaga name for herself as a performer. Probably totally over-reading into it, but all part of the fun. I really don't what to know - I love pop stars who remain mysterious.
That Gawker link - sounds like a rare moment she lost control in an interview and snapped. The guy sounded like a bit of a dickhead - "After all, you're not stupid..." The "god gave me this song!" thing was too much.
Take it to the Kobe threadBuckethead said:
You'll be told that words have evolved.Souldriver
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I get what you mean, but it's better to use "stupid" if you just want to use a word that's inherently negative for safety. Retarded is a medical term used to classify people with mental retardation. So yeah, stupid =/= retarded. But let's go to the Kobe Bryant thread with this, I hear they're having a blast over there!S. L. said:
krypt0nian
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Buckethead said:
Both are wrong. Send her an email.
Souldriver
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Part of the job.Nemesis556 said:
By now she should've just come up with a standard answer that's gracious and neutral on the subject. Like say:
"I get that question a lot. I try to make my own music, but I consciously and subconsciously take inspiration from the music I grew up with. I greatly respect Madonna (note: sucking up is crucial when giving standard answers), and my work is undoubtedly being influenced by hers, just as my music is influenced by *list of musicians that are more respected than Madonna because it's not 'cool' to like Madonna, say David Bowie, Dylan, Springsteen and the Beatles*. With Born This Way I personally wanted to bring homage to *obscure artist to show that you know your music history* but I understand why people see similarities with Madonna's work. The song is about self empowerment and being who you want to be. A theme that appears in many of her songs."
Tadaaa. If I read that, I would immediately know it's a bullshit answer, but denying the Madonna influence is even more bullshit and just makes you look bad. With a standard "I respect other artists" bullshit answer you just take the wind out of the sails of reporters to hammer down on the issue. Playing nice is just not interesting for them.
She shoulda known saying that was gonna bite her in the ass. Journalists in those industries always wanna exploit quotes like that. She coulda used a better word, though.julls said:
Nice, love the beat.Nemesis556 said:
I lol'd when they said they were up till 5 AM editing Gagavision. Hire me Gaga! I'll do it in about 5 minutes, for FREE!
Phonomezer
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julls said:
And this is after saying that she "got Madonna's blessing to release Born This Way" on Jay Leno and a day later Madonna's publicist saying "no she didn't" - hahahaha.
Soulscribe
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I understand her frustration, but that's a no no on the R word gurl
"Weird Al" Yankovic (Who I didn't know was still around) did a parody of Born This Way, but Gaga isn't allowing it on his next album, so he put it up on YouTube. I loved Weird Al as a kid, and this song made me laugh my ass off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUxXKfQkswE
I'm surprised she didn't let him, I don't know why though. She should be flattered that Weird Al parodied one of her songs. Also, all of the profits from the song were supposed to go to the Human Rights Campaign.
Here's his blog post about talking to Gaga about trying to get it approved: The Gaga Saga. That whole "needing to hear it" thing is a pretty stuck-up thing to do, in my opinion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUxXKfQkswE
I'm surprised she didn't let him, I don't know why though. She should be flattered that Weird Al parodied one of her songs. Also, all of the profits from the song were supposed to go to the Human Rights Campaign.
Here's his blog post about talking to Gaga about trying to get it approved: The Gaga Saga. That whole "needing to hear it" thing is a pretty stuck-up thing to do, in my opinion.
ZephyrFate
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Buckethead, words have evolved. [/MIMIC]Buckethead said:
Very disappointed that she said that, even though the interviewer seemed like an asshole.julls said:
Though it speaks (sad) volumes that the majority of the negative press is directed at how it's bad because she said it, instead of how it's bad because it is simply an awful thing to say.
Soulscribe
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Koodo said:
Truth. Most people I know who avoid using that word do it because they know I'd call them out on it, not because it's just the wrong word to say.
Combichristoffersen
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http://alyankovic.wordpress.com/the-gaga-saga/
Boo, Gaga, boo. Your two latest singles have been disappointing, and now this?
Boo, Gaga, boo. Your two latest singles have been disappointing, and now this?
CartridgeBlower
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So she lies about Madonna's blessing, and now (seemingly) lies about saying no to Weird Al.
Me thinks there are many more lies still left to uncover about her music and image...
Me thinks there are many more lies still left to uncover about her music and image...
Escape Goat
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Did Gaga solicit Madonna's OK or did her people send a supportive email?
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
I thought it was weird she wouldn't approve something like that, but allow the ridiculous - and awesome - Cartman Poker Face remix, which also ended up on Rock Band (are those choices approved by her?) Either way, I'm not a fan of his stuff but Al seems like a real cool guy so its good to see he got approval to do it. Can't wait to see the video.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
Saw her last night in Nashville. Biggest boner deflation ever when her second encore was Born This Way and then the lights came on and fucking Judas played as we were leaving (not a performance, just the song on the speakers).
What the fuck, Gaga. I actually really like Judas.
What the fuck, Gaga. I actually really like Judas.
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I know! People started dancing and everything and then the cover or whatever for Judas was projected on the stage... and we left.JackEtc said:
I was pissed, but it was one hell of a show so I can't complain too much.
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