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[JordanN]

Let me spell this out for you since you seem to be a bit slow.

you showed a screen with about 15 sprites that are about 2 polygons, max, plus the environment. let's be generous and call it 10 per character.

My argument was never about the sprites themselves, it was having the sprites turned into 3D (not flat polygons) and having a complex environment. That's it.

If you could show the two happening, that's it you won. I'm not interested in how complex the cars. What I would be interested in is if the environments are just as good as the cars (which I doubt).

 

[Manmademan]

My argument was never about the sprites themselves, it was having the sprites turned into 3D (not flat polygons) and having a complex environment. That's it.

If you could show the two happening, that's it you won. I'm not interested in how complex the cars. What I would be interested in is if the environments are just as good as the cars (which I doubt).

Do you...do you have brain damage? this is literally the dumbest argument I've ever had on GAF, and I've been here for 6 years.

Have you never actually seen Gt2? Have you ever seen any racing game at all? Did you miss the animated GIF of Ridge Racer: Type 4 on this very page of this very thread, showing complex as hell environments with dynamic lighting? there are more polygons in a single track of Ridge Racer type 4 than there are in the entirety of pokemon black and white, period..

 

[Lijik]

My argument was never about the sprites themselves, it was having the sprites turned into 3D (not flat polygons) and having a complex environment. That's it.

If you could show the two happening, that's it you won. I'm not interested in how complex the cars. What I would be interested in is if the environments are just as good as the cars (which I doubt).

Your argument is nonsensical and doesn't even prove B/W looks like a high end game.

 

[Weltall Zero]

The jump from Pokemon on DS was pretty big

Diamond/Pearl (looked like high res GBA visuals)

to Black/White (high end PS1 visuals)

I have to second that it is ridiculous to call that high-end PSX visuals. And yes, "because of sprites". Sprites take next to no time to render in a 3D engine, so remove all those (extremely pixelated) sprites and you're left with a scene that would make release PSX games barf.

Also, the battle scenes look vastly INFERIOR. Your pokemon is pixelated whereas it wasn't before.

 

[abacab driver]

For me the real winners are:

Streets of Rage 1 -> Streets of Rage 2

Panzer Dragoon -> Panzer Dragoon Zwei

Monkey Island 1 -> Monkey Island 2 LeChucks revenge (if Curse of Monkey Island didnt come out 7 years later it would be in the running for the clear winner of this thread).

However..
Virtua Fighter 1 -> Virtua Fighter 2 -> Virtua Fighter 3 wins this thread HANDILY.
In 3 years time these three games came out and blew everyones tech out the water.

 

[Shaneus]

Project Gotham Racing:

Project Gotham Racing 2:

I know it's not the greatest leap compared to some others in this thread, I just wanted to throw it's hat into the ring

PS. it is RIDICULOUSLY hard to find pictures from PGR1 in-game.

 

[DonMigs85]

I think Metroid Prime 2 had noticeable improvements over its predecessor (better texture quality, lighting and slightly higher polygon count leading to less angular environments) but the framerate was more prone to hitching.

 

[Boss Riovane]

Final Fantasy Tactics to Vagrant Story......
would that count.

FF7 to FF8

 

[MDX]

Red Steel to Red Steel 2

 

[The Hermit]

my answer as well. I played both this year and I couldn't believe SML2 was a direct sequel. It was better in every possible way.

 

[Zyrusticae]

to Black/White (high end PS1 visuals)

Hahaha!

Maybe high-end SNES visuals. I'm actually pretty sure you could do that on the SNES using Mode 7. Well, the background elements would all have to be sprites, but seriously? High-end PS1 visuals?

If you MUST use PS1 as a comparison point, it'd be low-end PS1 visuals at best.

 

[DonMigs85]

Red Steel to Red Steel 2

This too.
Red Steel 2 could almost pass for a 360 game if it were 720p.

 

[ss_lemonade]

What about Resident Evil 3 to Code Veronica on the Dreamcast? I was blown away by the graphics on Code Veronica when I first played a friend's copy.

 

[Freshmaker]

Sorry, the changes were just too subtle for me to consider it anywhere near as large or obvious as the leaps between other games listed in here (particularly the Halo series).

Improved lighting, superior character models, less painted on muscle textures...

 

[crisdecuba]

Hahaha!

Maybe high-end SNES visuals. I'm actually pretty sure you could do that on the SNES using Mode 7. Well, the background elements would all have to be sprites, but seriously? High-end PS1 visuals?

If you MUST use PS1 as a comparison point, it'd be low-end PS1 visuals at best.

I somewhat agree with your assessment on the PS1 side (I would say low to mid-level), strongly disagree that the graphics in this game could have been accomplished with Mode 7. If you play the game you'll see that it's fully rendered in 3D and would require some sort of SFX chip on steroids to accomplish it.

 

[JordanN]

Hahaha!

Maybe high-end SNES visuals. I'm actually pretty sure you could do that on the SNES using Mode 7. Well, the background elements would all have to be sprites, but seriously? High-end PS1 visuals?

If you MUST use PS1 as a comparison point, it'd be low-end PS1 visuals at best.

Naw, because when I think low end PS1, it's very primitive levels with little to no textures.

Anyways, having just replayed Pokemon Black, I think my comparisons should be made to high end PS1 games in the same genre.

 

[1st Course]

Hahaha!

Maybe high-end SNES visuals. I'm actually pretty sure you could do that on the SNES using Mode 7. Well, the background elements would all have to be sprites, but seriously? High-end PS1 visuals?

If you MUST use PS1 as a comparison point, it'd be low-end PS1 visuals at best.

It's not even on high-end SNES level of visuals, Streets of Rage looked much better than that game ever hope imo:

 

[sleepykyo]

I was thinking about this while playing Halo 4 and noticing just how much better it looked than Halo: Reach.

The question I'm posing is; What was the largest improvement in graphics between two consecutive games of the same franchise within a single console generation?

I'm not talking about the difference between Fifa 07 to Fifa 13, but rather Fifa 08 to Fifa 09. Mass Effect to Mass Effect 2 counts, but Mass Effect to Mass Effect 3 doesn't.

Make sense?

Obviously this question can't apply to PC games. *dodges tomatoes*

Should have just specified the biggest improvement on the same hardware. Cutting pc games didn't prevent individuals choosing the weakest hardware of a console generation for the predecessor and then the sequel on the most powerful console of the same generation.

 

[sleepykyo]

Mortal Kombat Vs. DC

Mortal Kombat 9

Native 720p @ 60fps on Unreal Engine 3 on console. A technical achievement in itself.

Went from an arena to a bridge though. Although it was worth it given, how little the arena benefited MKvDC's combat.

edit: The VF - VF2 leap does look pretty big.

 

[ShdwDrake]

Naw, because when I think low end PS1, it's very primitive levels with little to no textures.

Anyways, having just replayed Pokemon Black, I think my comparisons should be made to high end PS1 games in the same genre.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfqAVXKgmAw

Breath of Fire 4 shits on it. Its a Turned based RPG with 3d environments?

 

[JordanN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfqAVXKgmAw

Breath of Fire 4 shits on it. Its a Turned based RPG with 3d environments?

The battle scenes are better but how does the overall world compare? If it's like that scene from the beginning it's not much different (or maybe worse).

 

[KSai]

DOA4 is much more visually consistent, and remains a feast for the eyes to this day.

It's really too bad that DOA5 is so blurry.

 

[Leona Lewis]

It's really too bad that DOA5 is so blurry.

Indeed.

The Vita version will probably have less detail, but ultimately look better since it'll be native resolution like all of Team Ninja's other Vita games.

 

[Portugeezer]

Halo 3 to Halo 4.

Halo 3 almost looked like an upresed (slightly, to 640p) original Xbox game at times, some great lighting helped it out. But then compared to Halo 4 it looks like they run on different hardware.

 

[i-Lo]

Halo 3 to Halo 4.

Halo 3 almost looked like an upresed (slightly, to 640p) original Xbox game at times, some great lighting helped it out. But then compared to Halo 4 it looks like they run on different hardware.

I wish people would read the OP.

 

[See You Next Wednesday]

Burnout 2 ---> Burnout 3

Was waiting for this.

 

[DonMigs85]

What about Resident Evil 3 to Code Veronica on the Dreamcast? I was blown away by the graphics on Code Veronica when I first played a friend's copy.

RE3 started as a PS1 game.

 

[bobeth]

Project Gotham Racing:

Project Gotham Racing 2:

I know it's not the greatest leap compared to some others in this thread, I just wanted to throw it's hat into the ring

PS. it is RIDICULOUSLY hard to find pictures from PGR1 in-game.

Oh man, PGR2 was soooo good. I agree the game looks better in screenshots, but the framerate was halved for PGR2..

 

[Shaneus]

Oh man, PGR2 was soooo good. I agree the game looks better in screenshots, but the framerate was halved for PGR2..

Oh definitely, I was more thinking of in terms of graphical fidelity as opposed to technical ability. That may or may not be splitting hairs, but I think to go from a game that barely looked better than a Dreamcast title to what PGR2 was, complete with photo-accurate streets of places like Sydney was insane, even if it did have to sacrifice some fluidity in the process.

 

[Funchameleon]

My vote definitely goes to Burnout 2 - 3.

DMC 4 to DmC

This is hardly a task when going from 60fps to sub 30

 

[ShdwDrake]

The battle scenes are better but how does the overall world compare? If it's like that scene from the beginning it's not much different (or maybe worse).

The overworld uses the same graphics just no 3d monsters but the towns etc are 3d (map can rotate) the sprites are the same quality.

And not much different?... ok.

 

[evilromero]

I always thought MGS2 --> MGS3. Such an improvement.

 

[DR2K]

Not true.

We'll never come to an agreement it seems, so I'll just leave it like this: DOA5 has higher highs than DOA4 (the character models are stunning), but its lows are much, much lower.

I mean, look at the ground textures in that second video. Look at how bare the stage is in the first video bar the impressive particle and lighting effects.

DOA4 is much more visually consistent, and remains a feast for the eyes to this day.

OK, what is the resolution? And where is the pixel counter? Because it does not look sub-hd to me at all.

Eh, we really didn't play the same DOA4.

Most of DOA4 stages were very bare, had little to nothing going on the background, and were much less interactive.

 

[hardcastlemccormick]

I always thought MGS2 --> MGS3. Such an improvement.

Aside from the lower framerate, I have to agree. I went from MGS2 to the Subsistence version in my first series play-through and that camera really emphasizes how beautiful those environments were.

Breath of Fire 4 shits on it. Its a Turned based RPG with 3d environments?

Hell, Breath of Fire 3 looks better, even. Pokemon B/W has a good frame rate and good sprite work going for it, as does the DS hardware, but the PS1's high notes are on a different level.

 

[enzo_gt]

EDIT: i-Lo exposed me. My bad. /shame

 

[i-Lo]

^Once again, more proof that poeple don't read the OP

 

[antitrop]

It would be hard to disagree with those Burnout 2 -> 3 shots on the first thread page.

 

[benzy]

Rallisport to Rallisport 2

 

[Seik]

Oblivion to Skyrim.

 

[Vesper73]

Devil May Cry. IMO.

Go!

 

[Manmademan]

Naw, because when I think low end PS1, it's very primitive levels with little to no textures.

Anyways, having just replayed Pokemon Black, I think my comparisons should be made to high end PS1 games in the same genre.

so..you don't realize vagrant story is an RPG? I thought you owned it?

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

I think Metroid Prime 2 had noticeable improvements over its predecessor (better texture quality, lighting and slightly higher polygon count leading to less angular environments) but the framerate was more prone to hitching.

Actually, according to Retro Metroid Prime 2 had double the polygon count of the first game.

Also, one more troll-post.
Blood Omen: Legacy of Kain (PS1, 1996)

Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver (PS1, 1999)

 

[epmode]

Rallisport to Rallisport 2

This is pretty big if I remember correctly. Rallisport 2 was easily one of the best-looking games on the Xbox. 60 FPS too. Still my favorite rally game ever!

 

[VanWinkle]

My first instinct was to say Uncharted 1 to Uncharted 2, and that's still true that it's a huge leap, but there's a lot of GREAT choices in here. Particularly Burnout 2 to 3 was insane. I remember thinking "how is this on the same console?" In fact I put the game in on my 360 a while back and it still looked really nice!

 

[prwxv3]

FF7 to FF8/9

 

[les papillons sexuels]

oot - majora's mask.

the visual upgrade is outstanding.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

The jump from Pokemon on DS was pretty big

Diamond/Pearl (looked like high res GBA visuals)

to Black/White (high end PS1 visuals in the same genre)

There's a big difference in effect due to the camera positioning but the graphics are essentially the same. HG/SS look better than B/W, even. But that's because the new angles make too many jaggies.

 

[BigTnaples]

Halo 3 to Halo 4.

Halo 3 looked not too much better than Halo 2.

Reach looked much better than Halo 3.

You must have forgotten that Halo 3 was from this gen not the last. Common mistake.

Halo 3 to Halo 4.

Halo 3 almost looked like an upresed (slightly, to 640p) original Xbox game at times, some great lighting helped it out. But then compared to Halo 4 it looks like they run on different hardware.

What kind of goggles are you people looking at Halo 3 through?

The game was and is a great game graphically aside from 2 issues. IQ, and Human Facial Models.


Although aside from that, it had amazing lighting, excellent detailed textures, breathtaking skyboxes, battles of unmatched scale, still the best water physics on the 360, great particle effects, tons of on screen enemies, etc etc etc..

But somehow because it was rendered at 640p without some AA and Hood looks like shit, it is suddenly an Xbox 1 game? Come the fuck on.

 

[Angelus Errare]

The ones from FNR3 aren't.

Only 1 from Fight Night champion is a bullshot...

And this is FNR4 ingame...

There is almost zero jaggies in the game.

Jesus that background looks like ass. Kills the entire image for me.

 

[xJavonta]

What kind of goggles are you people looking at Halo 3 through?

The game was and is a great game graphically aside from 2 issues. IQ, and Human Facial Models.


Although aside from that, it had amazing lighting, excellent detailed textures, breathtaking skyboxes, battles of unmatched scale, still the best water physics on the 360, great particle effects, tons of on screen enemies, etc etc etc..







But somehow because it was rendered at 640p without some AA and Hood looks like shit, it is suddenly an Xbox 1 game? Come the fuck on.

640 is eww but I think most people were rocking SD TVs so they remember it looking like shit on those. I played it in upscaled 720p not too long ago and it didn't look too bad for a game it's age. Halo Reach shat on it in terms of visuals though. ODST wasn't bad looking either.