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Laserdisc 2 vs Laserdisc 3
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DenogginizerOS
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http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/03/sony_says_no_ps3_announcement/
Anyone disappointed? Could this mean Spring Launch isn't likely?
Anyone disappointed? Could this mean Spring Launch isn't likely?
BenjaminBirdie
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DenogginizerOS said:
Just to clarify. You want them to, in that price, include a free XBL Gold equivalent? Or just Silver? Either way, I think that those things (including a bar-none killer launch title) are worth a lot more to me than $100. I'd maybe pay $399 for a Live-less console if it came out with a Wipeout game at launch, but that's a little weakness of mine.
Mrbob said:
I do not exactly know what kind of margins they use in consumer electronics, but I'd be surprised if they can could get away with more than 25 - 35 % material cost even with new products (note: material cost, not mark up. This is more than 100 %. So if the player costs 1000 the material cost would be 250 at best).
marsomega said:
They were wrong and corrected themselves today
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/04/ces_2006_preview_1/
Quote:
But there will indeed be a great deal of gadget news, including anticipated announcements from Sony on its forthcoming PlayStation 3 console...
DenogginizerOS
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BenjaminBirdie said:
Looking at what is out and coming for XBOX 360 in the coming months with the possibility of X360 going down in price, I think Sony needs online services and at least 1 killer app at $399.
Guy LeDouche
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Nice to hear, but more encouraging to me is that Kutaragi said the Feb PS3 event will be on the "eve of the launch". We'll probably only get info on PS3 as it pertains to PS3 now, but in Feb, they will announce everything.marsomega said:
DenogginizerOS
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I see Blu-Ray players at $1000+ price tags and I wonder what people who read the news tonight will think the PS3 will cost if they know that the PS3 is also a Blu-Ray player. Sony would confuse the hell out of people if they announced PS3 prices and plans at CES if the PS3 is significantly less than all of the other BD players. I suspect Pioneer would have to do a lot of explaining to justify $1800 for their player versus however much less the PS3 will be.
DenogginizerOS
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Blaster1X said:
I agree. These prices for Blu-Ray players are rediculous. I have a hard time trying to convince myself that $1800 is a good price for an HDTV, let alone a media player at that price. A $400-500 Blu-Ray player (PS3) next to a $1800 Blu-Ray player would make me ask what is missing from the PS3 or what does the Pioneer do better that is worth that much more.
DenogginizerOS
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kaching said:
Yup. Like a Daewoo HDTV versus a Panasonic HDTV. Makes me think the cheaper item is a turd.
The BD players are ridiculously expensive. And what's with the lack of recording ability? That was BD's major advantage over HD-DVD IMO. Hell, Sony released BD recorders in 2003. Granted, the format specification wasn't finished back then but the basic disc technology was the same.
Although it may not matter in the long run this is shaping up to be a very weak launch for BD.
Although it may not matter in the long run this is shaping up to be a very weak launch for BD.
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dorio said:
probably better than you'd imagine, to cater to the rich and wealthy
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Hmm, very weird. Pioneer's first Blu-ray recorder will be $995, available Q1 2006. It'll only record single layer discs, though. But presumably recorders can also play back discs, so..that $1800 model kind of looks to be in a whole other market (?)
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/04/pioneer_unveils_blu-ray_players/
http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/01/04/pioneer_unveils_blu-ray_players/
monkeymagic
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Do I need to post another PS3 common misconceptions thread? 
This has to take be one of the more moronic statements in this thread.
How do $15M houses exist in a market of $100,000 houses when they do exactly the same thing
How does a $1M+ Enzo exist in the same market a $30,000 Audi S3 when they do exactly the same thing
How does a $20,000 Meridian DVD player exist in the same market as a $40 Cyberhome DVD player when they do exactly the same thing
How does a $20,000 Vertu phone exist in the same market as a $199 Nokia phone when they do exactly the same thing
I'll tell you how - and it may be an eye opener for you but not everyone earns the same as you and not everyone spends the same amount on goods as you.
Different price points exist for value driven consumers, feature driven consumers, brand driven consumers and luxury driven consumers.
Go pay a visit to your nearest mall and take a look for yourself.
As for PS3 Blu-Ray player vs standalone player:
- The PS3 is subsidised by game and accessory revenues - the standalone players are not. Hence it can be sold for less taking into account future offsets.
- Manufacturers WANT PS3 to be a success - they stand to make much more from sales of Blu-Ray software than they do from crappy hardware margins.
- HD-DVD/Blu-Ray will be around for at least 10 years. This isn't VHS and DVD where they both catered to the same SDTV market over 20 years. The HDTV market will take at least another decade before it can even come close to SDTV market size and as many have pointed out there is really nothing to add in terms of convenience to the format - the convenience we reached with DVD. Now the play is for added resolution only.
In this market I can see HD-DVD and Blu-Ray co-exist happily just as VHS and DVD do today. Even better there will no doubt be players that play both in the near future - unlike with VHS and DVD.
Even if the PS3 launched with a HD-DVD drive it would still have a strong advantage over X360 in the eyes of consumers. Microsoft made a mistake by launching early when these formats were just around the corner. They may try and correct that mistake with an HD-DVD edition of X360 but IMO that would be a disaster.
They're stuck in a shit place and have to thank the fact that they (one of the largest corporations on this planet) we're too scared to launch alongside PS3.
With that said, it's clear that all the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray damage control in this thread is coming from XBox fans. Anyone that is interested in technology and/or home entertainment will be greatly looking forward to these new formats.
This has to take be one of the more moronic statements in this thread.
How do $15M houses exist in a market of $100,000 houses when they do exactly the same thing
How does a $1M+ Enzo exist in the same market a $30,000 Audi S3 when they do exactly the same thing
How does a $20,000 Meridian DVD player exist in the same market as a $40 Cyberhome DVD player when they do exactly the same thing
How does a $20,000 Vertu phone exist in the same market as a $199 Nokia phone when they do exactly the same thing
I'll tell you how - and it may be an eye opener for you but not everyone earns the same as you and not everyone spends the same amount on goods as you.
Different price points exist for value driven consumers, feature driven consumers, brand driven consumers and luxury driven consumers.
Go pay a visit to your nearest mall and take a look for yourself.
As for PS3 Blu-Ray player vs standalone player:
- The PS3 is subsidised by game and accessory revenues - the standalone players are not. Hence it can be sold for less taking into account future offsets.
- Manufacturers WANT PS3 to be a success - they stand to make much more from sales of Blu-Ray software than they do from crappy hardware margins.
- HD-DVD/Blu-Ray will be around for at least 10 years. This isn't VHS and DVD where they both catered to the same SDTV market over 20 years. The HDTV market will take at least another decade before it can even come close to SDTV market size and as many have pointed out there is really nothing to add in terms of convenience to the format - the convenience we reached with DVD. Now the play is for added resolution only.
In this market I can see HD-DVD and Blu-Ray co-exist happily just as VHS and DVD do today. Even better there will no doubt be players that play both in the near future - unlike with VHS and DVD.
Even if the PS3 launched with a HD-DVD drive it would still have a strong advantage over X360 in the eyes of consumers. Microsoft made a mistake by launching early when these formats were just around the corner. They may try and correct that mistake with an HD-DVD edition of X360 but IMO that would be a disaster.
They're stuck in a shit place and have to thank the fact that they (one of the largest corporations on this planet) we're too scared to launch alongside PS3.
With that said, it's clear that all the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray damage control in this thread is coming from XBox fans. Anyone that is interested in technology and/or home entertainment will be greatly looking forward to these new formats.
Personally, I can't believe people in this thread are stating they'll support HD-DVD simply because it's cheaper... It's a fucking joke compared to Blu-Ray, in both feature-set and studio support.
HD movies are a luxury right now people. If you don't want to pay the high prices, just wait; don't fucking give your money to studios that are blatantly trying to rip you off on a grossly inferior format just so they can save some production costs.
HD movies are a luxury right now people. If you don't want to pay the high prices, just wait; don't fucking give your money to studios that are blatantly trying to rip you off on a grossly inferior format just so they can save some production costs.
Just read the press release and the dvd player is indeed part of the 'Pioneer Elite' brand. So it should be some serious kit for a while. 
Pioneer have also announced a 50" 1080p plasma. So obviously this is intended to be targeted towards these sorts of users. I remember them doing this when dvd recorders were still expensive. $10,000 for the plasma but you know it will be absolute killer quality. This CES is great so far.
Pioneer have also announced a 50" 1080p plasma.
So obviously this is intended to be targeted towards these sorts of users. I remember them doing this when dvd recorders were still expensive. $10,000 for the plasma but you know it will be absolute killer quality. This CES is great so far. Knowing GA I wouldnt be surprised if that was the reason. Sony fans defend BR cause its hitting the PS3 and Xbox Fans defend HD because it whats opposing Sony. You people act if the next gen formats wars was between a Video Cassette and a DVD disc. BR and HD DVD are so similar so why should you care?
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Orin GA said:
Because there should be one unified standard. That isn't the case here. You've got a 80/20 split? (Blu Ray to HD-DVD) With some movie companies supporting both and the majority of others sticking to one format.
Its important if your the sucker that buys a HD-DVD player and invest alot of money into HD-DVD movies, then the format dies about a year down the line because the majority of studios are backing Blu Ray and more people are buying into Blu Ray.