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Launching a Kickstarter campaign on an E3 press conference
- Thread starter Salsa
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Bluekaveli
Member
See how many people really want it.
And there are dozens more that have made great games. FAR more than the ones that went bust. The most notable failure was made starring frigging Youtubers.
If KS had such a poor rep we wouldn't be having a game that just broke like all of the records with the IGAvania.
blame space
Banned
Does yu Suzuki have a place to sleep tonight?
Admiral Woofington
Member
2 million does not sense make. It HAS to cost more.
RichiRamjag
Member
I really disagree. I can't see why anyone would care. It gives the game amazing exposure and obviously some money is coming from Sony.
n00bsauce87
Member
This is how half life 3 is gonna get made
plasmawave
Banned
Sega sure wasn't gonna fund this game so I see no problem.
Their arms were pretty much twisted and had no other choice.
Their arms were pretty much twisted and had no other choice.
If Shenmue needed a huge platform the Kickstarter should've launched two months ago when there was no real video game news because this would've dominated every news outlet for a week. Instead you're getting this in the middle of a pile of Sony news, not even aimed at what would necessarily be the key Shenmue demographic.
I just don't buy this argument at all.
InsaneZero
Member
The problem isn't with the Kickstarter campaign itself. It's the implications going forward where publishers start to push more of their own responsibilities to the fans. It's an exchange between being able to get what you want and having to actually be financially culpable if development goes south.
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
Member
I'm just saying, Shenmue 3 seems like it might be a good idea now but I also thought I wanted a new Shadowrun and a new isometric Fallout.
of course it's more. that decided number is part of whatever's happening here
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Nah its just "traction", "if you can raise 2 million we'll give you the other 10"
The stage reveal was nakedly a marketing move. It does leave a pretty sour taste in my mouth
GustyGardens
Banned
Sony is the type of company that wouldn't stay quiet if they were involved. I also feel that if they had any involvement, it wouldn't be on the PC. Sony have a lot of great things about them, but being humble isn't one of them. You have to imagine they'd jump on the opportunity to say, "And to get the ball rolling, we're donating $1,000,000!"
Launching the Kickstarter at the Sony conference was a great marketing move, but it also makes people associate the Shenmue III game with Sony. It's great for the team developing the game, but it's better for Sony. They're going to sell systems because they're the company that brought back Shenmue, when that doesn't seem to be the case.
Launching the Kickstarter at the Sony conference was a great marketing move, but it also makes people associate the Shenmue III game with Sony. It's great for the team developing the game, but it's better for Sony. They're going to sell systems because they're the company that brought back Shenmue, when that doesn't seem to be the case.
Whitman's Ghost
Banned
Don't really care. Do it anyway you need to. They needed to get the word out on this. People are happy. Stop being so damn cynical about everything.
texhnolyze
Banned
Sony is funding the game, and apparently they need more from kickstarter money.
With scretchgoals and all, the game will be perfect.
Exposition from being a major announcement at E3 conference is way bigger than exposition to just launching a Kickstarter and announcing it on twitter.
Hayama Akito
Member
Don't care, is Shenmue 3. First time i cried with a videogame announcement.
Going by Suzuki's previous statements, and the wish to bring the "true Shenmue experience" means that there is way more money needed than the kickstarter.
What this kickstarter is imo, is a marketing stunt, and also a barometer of interest in the game, on which will depend how much funds Sony pours into the project.
What this kickstarter is imo, is a marketing stunt, and also a barometer of interest in the game, on which will depend how much funds Sony pours into the project.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Shenmue is a risky, ambitious title that likely lost Sega a decent chunk of change making it.
I think the only way something like this actually gets made is through a huge kickstarter campaign + publisher backing.
Very little publishers are going to go it alone for something that's bound to cost so much on a title that has a very niche, but devoted following.
Let's just be happy that avenues like Kickstarter exist so we can see stuff like this come to fruition.
I think the only way something like this actually gets made is through a huge kickstarter campaign + publisher backing.
Very little publishers are going to go it alone for something that's bound to cost so much on a title that has a very niche, but devoted following.
Let's just be happy that avenues like Kickstarter exist so we can see stuff like this come to fruition.
Squall5042
Member
I see absolutely nothing wrong with this whatsoever. It's such a special game with a unique set of circumstances that I don't think this will happen again for a long time so I wouldn't be worried.
InsaneZero
Member
Obviously.
The problem is that if Sony is going to treat it like their product, then they should be fully responsible for the development of that product.
InsaneTiger
Member
In someways I can understand the Kickstarter. Neither game made back what was invested into it and they became cult classics. Gamers clamor for many games to happen and when pubs put money into and gamers still don't come and buy I can understand a pubs trepidation. Why Shenmue when you can make a shooter and make a billion dollars?
This is the time gamers. You want Shenmue? Put up or shut up.
This is the time gamers. You want Shenmue? Put up or shut up.
TheSpoiler
Member
You mean they wouldn't stay quiet about a huge project they are helping with funding before the biggest video game conference in the world.?
And you realize that Sony is funding SFV, which is for PS4 and PC, right?
You are trying really hard to paint this evil narrative and it just ain't working.
Best answer to that is
Games are expensive. Especially a cult classic from the Dreamcast era. If gamers show they want the game and get a copy in the process via Kickstarter, then Sony takes care of the rest. Everyone wins.
Just posted on the Shenmue 3 KS thread, but I will repeat what I feel about it here:
I'm glad this exists, somehow. If Kickstarter is what it needed to exist, so be it. Still, what doesn't sit well to me is that Sony made it feel like it was their project, when it really isn't. If they can guarantee so many exclusives (first to beta, first to some DLC, console debut this, first to whatever), they can make Shenmue 3 happen without going through crowd-funding. Also, the KS page is surprisingly lacking in many ways, especially on being completely dismissive of any Xbox mentions without any kind of explanations.
I'm glad this exists, somehow. If Kickstarter is what it needed to exist, so be it. Still, what doesn't sit well to me is that Sony made it feel like it was their project, when it really isn't. If they can guarantee so many exclusives (first to beta, first to some DLC, console debut this, first to whatever), they can make Shenmue 3 happen without going through crowd-funding. Also, the KS page is surprisingly lacking in many ways, especially on being completely dismissive of any Xbox mentions without any kind of explanations.
Wasn't Shenmue 2 around 60+ million to make?
Stallion Dan
Member
Kickstarter is for small indie studios. Sega can piss off and fund it themselves.
I didn't see much of an issue at first, but now that you bring it up, Salsa, it does seem kinda weird. I guess part of me thinks that this will likely end up being an isolated case. If it's successful though, it can easily become a trend and where will that leave us? These companies know how expensive making games has become and they haven't been shy about doing whatever they can to squeeze fans dry.
Femmeworth
Banned
I think Sony has enough credibility to get away with it or make it less suspect. Though it's good to look at this critically.
qa_engineer
Member
Does anyone actually think the game will cost only 2MM to make? Think for second why the kickstarter page makes mention of ps4 and PC only, and why they're only asking for 2MM for an ambitious sequel. Think real hard. I have a thought: maybe, just maybe, Sony may have forked over some cash to get the project going. This kick starter is PR and a chance to gauge interest.
MrCunningham
Member
I think a Mr. Mark Cerny was involved behind the scenes in making this happen. It's pretty obvious given the friendship that he has with Yu Suzuki. In return Yu gave them console exclusivity for giving him a boost on their press conference.
I don't get this. If you only pledge what you would have paid for the game anyway, how is it bleeding you dry?
InsaneZero
Member
To be fair, I'm not necessarily concerned about what Sony will do, but rather what other publishers will do with this with precedent.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Backed hard.
there's no real "getting away" with tho, and it's not really sony's credibility as much as it's just fucking Shenmue. People already saying "SONY MADE IT 3/3!!" (about ff7 remake last guardian and this) and we have no idea in what way they are actually involved with Shenmue or what they're doing at all