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How does this opinion even develop and come into existence?
MuddyDonut
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I didn't realize Avatars could live that long. With that said I had to look up how Roku died, since I forgot, and DAMN that's cold.
If I had to choose an Avatar that was the "worst" it would be Kuruk. He didn't even take it seriously.
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1) She let Chin the conqueror (A Tyrant in her own words) take over all of the Earth Kingdom minus Ba Sing Se and her hometown. She only intervened when he invaded her neck of the woods and it was only to seperate it from the mainland. Chin falling to his death was his own fault. At least Kuruk was lazy in peacetime.
2) She created the Dai Li.
Professor Beef
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I will not have people badmouthing Roku.
Well when the last avatar creates long lasting piece, what do you expect?
Precisely. Yangchen was so good, her successor didn't even have to do anything.
The Dai Li changed over the course of history though. She didn't found them with the intent they would become what they did.
And your interpretation of the events leading up the Chin's death are different from what I'd interpret. She didn't just "let it happen." Him falling to his death wasn't his fault, he didn't move the land to do so.
To help continue the peace.
And your interpretation of the events leading up the Chin's death are different from what I'd interpret. She didn't just "let it happen." Him falling to his death wasn't his fault, he didn't move the land to do so.
To help continue the peace.
Infinite Justice
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To be fair Yangchen's effort was so great he didn't have to do shit.
Still his mistake was not checking up on them just in case and it cost him a wife anyway, so he paid for it dearly.
Yep, she even said so. Chin might have happened by accident but she was prepared to kill him to stop the war.
I think the order of the Avatars we know would be
1. Aang
2. Yangchen (might be better than Aang, but we don't really know much about her other than the fact that she was fantastic)
3. Kuruk (distant 3rd. Not good, but didn't really do any damage either, iirc)
4. Kyoshi (for the reasons Wiseblade outlined)
5. Roku (him forgiving Sozin because of his own personal feelings lead to 100 years of war)
Who knows where Korra will rank, but it seems like Air nomad avatars are the best Avatars (just like Air is the superior element).
Hey, I at least rewatched the series for the rewatch thread.
1. Aang
2. Yangchen (might be better than Aang, but we don't really know much about her other than the fact that she was fantastic)
3. Kuruk (distant 3rd. Not good, but didn't really do any damage either, iirc)
4. Kyoshi (for the reasons Wiseblade outlined)
5. Roku (him forgiving Sozin because of his own personal feelings lead to 100 years of war)
Who knows where Korra will rank, but it seems like Air nomad avatars are the best Avatars (just like Air is the superior element).
Hey, I at least rewatched the series for the rewatch thread.
Kyoshi was the one who decided to create an elite Earthbending force, independent of the king to run the city and protect its cultural heritage. Any normal person would see the obvious Coup d'état potential, but she didn't. Yangchen would never have made that mistake.
And I'm grateful to you and Satch for putting up with my ramblings for two months.
Urban Scholar
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bob & weave
These new character names are getting out of hand.
My list would be...
1. Yangchen
2. Aang
3. Kyoshi
4. Kuruk
5. Roku
Yangchen wins because of her long standing peace and her reputation as an Avatar. Aang might have reached such a goal if he had not died so young. Roku too.
And I feel like Roku was a good intentioned Avatar but his relationships and indecision really marred his reputation.
His guiding of Aang, though, does earn him some kudos. But the others helped, even Kuruk. So he still deserves last because of the war he failed to stop.
Kyoshi > Kuruk because even if her actions had some consequences, she still did more then he ever did. Saving people > Dueling all day
1. Yangchen
2. Aang
3. Kyoshi
4. Kuruk
5. Roku
Yangchen wins because of her long standing peace and her reputation as an Avatar. Aang might have reached such a goal if he had not died so young. Roku too.
And I feel like Roku was a good intentioned Avatar but his relationships and indecision really marred his reputation.
His guiding of Aang, though, does earn him some kudos. But the others helped, even Kuruk. So he still deserves last because of the war he failed to stop.
Kyoshi > Kuruk because even if her actions had some consequences, she still did more then he ever did. Saving people > Dueling all day
I'd put Roku above Kuruk because of his helping of Aang.
I doubt you missed the last four episodes.
But Kuruk also helped Aang (some).
I'm conflicted about this because we don't know much about Roku and the good he may have done. Is it fair that he's 5th because his death led to war, especially since he died because of betrayal? I'm not really sure. If I disregarded that then I'd put him 4th for sure.
The best Avatar. But really, nothing is known about her other than:
1) She was a woman.
2) She was and Airbender.
3) She was so good, there was a generation of peace after she died.
She was highly feared as well, since she was so dedicated to doing whatever it takes to keep the world in balance. I'm guessing that means she would kill your ass quicker than you could say Ba Sing Se if you crossed her.
Somehow I'm guessing Korra's ultimate mission will be stopping the growing anti-bender tensions that are counteracting the intended goal of Republic City (unity). I don't think her responsibilities will be as grand as Aangs (stopping a 100 year war) but I think she'll do what Roku couldn't and that's stop a war. She'll probably be third ultimately, as we have huge Aang nostalgia and it's looking tough to top Yangchen.
shira
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I don't think humans are capable of peace.
Probably less fighting, but people always have something to kill each other about.
? The Dai Li wasn't independent of the king... well it wasn't independent of any lazy decadent king that is.
Chin the conqueror was a tyrant facing other similar earth tribes in wars. If Kyoshi had intervened earlier, she would have effectively been choosing sides in tribe wars.
*insert Kyoshi defense lawyer gif*
I take it as there were no wars. I'm sure there were squabbles and death, but not on the scale we saw in TLA.
Independent as in separate from the military, selected by and answering to the Grand Secretariat.
CornBurrito
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It is a fucking animated series.
Professor Beef
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Fuck all ya'll for dissing Roku. I HATE YOU ALL.
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And the Grand Secretariat is still under who again?
If you consider the Dai Li to be a lapse of judgement then surely you must consider Aang's endoresement of the White Lotus to be even more problematic. They answer to no one. Usually the avatar is raised by their own community to as it cycles through thr nations but Aang has subverted that.
The Grand Secretariat is under no one, because he runs the city!
The White Lotus as they were in TLA didn't seem that bad to me, but Aang letting them have a private militia and train his successor in secret is a bad call.
I'm not going to rank Avatars who are main characters of shows because we see it from their perspective and too much bias involved but I think Aang would be at the top generally speaking.
1. Yangchen- Wise, powerful, and very succesful so obviously gets the number one slot.
2. Kyoshi- Yeah you could make the case she wasn't so good but we don't have enough details about it so I'm gonna give her the second spot for being cool.
3. Roku- He was an all around great guy and I don't fault him for sparing Sozin. He didn't know that Sozin would do a genocide on the airbenders and killing Sozin would have started a war as well. You can't blame him for a volcano exploding, give the guy a break. You guys are way too hard on him.
4. Kuruk- He kind of sucked but whatever, not every Avatar has to be great.
1. Yangchen- Wise, powerful, and very succesful so obviously gets the number one slot.
2. Kyoshi- Yeah you could make the case she wasn't so good but we don't have enough details about it so I'm gonna give her the second spot for being cool.
3. Roku- He was an all around great guy and I don't fault him for sparing Sozin. He didn't know that Sozin would do a genocide on the airbenders and killing Sozin would have started a war as well. You can't blame him for a volcano exploding, give the guy a break. You guys are way too hard on him.
4. Kuruk- He kind of sucked but whatever, not every Avatar has to be great.
Yeah. Roku kept Sozin in check and would almost certainly have outlived him if it wasn't for the volcano. Can't really blame the guy for not wanting to kill his best friend.
IrrelevantNotch
Banned
What kind of idiot lives on an active volcano?
Ignis Fatuus
Banned
Lots of people do.
God I love Sokka gifs. It's like there's one for everything.
It's almost as if the creators wanted us to make the GIFs...
Rewatching Book 1 atm, it's amazing how far the animation has come since then. Not that it was bad, they just really stepped up their game in Book 2&3 and TLK
Infinite Justice
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It's almost as if the creators wanted us to make the GIFs...
I think they made the right decision with making his voice actor just do his thing and make sokka lively as a result
Also, have we talked about how Sokka is a woman bender? Or is this already a known fact.
The guy had a girl from each nation pining over him.
Such a pimp.
Kiyoshi was my kung fu masters name/title
which is weird because he was a guy and the character is female
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