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[wazoo]

Oi, it's my opinion. Am i not allowed to post it? Success is measured over the lifetime of a product, not just its initial years

so you are implying that it has still many years to live ??

 

[Chris1964]

Finally, this thread started delivering.

 

[Krev]

Oi, it's my opinion. Am i not allowed to post it? Success is measured over the lifetime of a product, not just its initial years

I think when a fad lasts four years, it's no longer a fad.

Especially considering the original Xbox only lasted that long.

 

[Razgreez]

I think when a fad lasts four years, it's no longer a fad.

Especially considering the original Xbox only lasted that long.

Fads can last for yrs or months. There's no limit on how long it carries on for only that it reaches an abrupt end. Haven't been following nintendo's company figures too closely but it appears, from what i have read, that the lack of 3rd party support is beginning to take its toll on profitability - well that and piracy.

so you are implying that it has still many years to live ??

It will live as long as nintendo choose to support it/keep it afloat as opposed to say the PS2 which still lives on to this day with nary a first party offering on it in years.

 

[yurinka]

About Sims 3 coming to DS, I would say it isn't something strange considering they also did mobile phone, iPhone, DS & PSP versions of Sims 2 or 3.

It's one of typical EA IPs that are ported everywhere including portable devices, like FIFA or Madden.

Maybe reducing some features, but adding others to properly adapt it to fit the system like they did in some of these portable versions.

As great 3rd party support for 3DS, instead of EA or Konami I would mention Capcom who is porting their current more appeling game for the hardcore (SSFIV) and developing for the system a brand new game of their main IP (Resident Evil), that looks like it's going to be the game with best visuals in the system.

I say that because the games from both IPs aren't typically ported to everything.

 

[Sadist]

Looking at the 2011 list for multi-platform titles...

- The Grinder (High Voltage/Sega)
- Ghost Recon Future Soldier (Ubisoft)
- De Blob Underground (THQ)
- Driver: San Francisco (Ubisoft)
- WWE All-Stars (THQ)

And some games based on movie franchises like Thor, Captain America, Green Lantern and I believe Disney movies, it's pretty bleak in 2011.

 

[wazoo]

Fads can last for yrs or months. There's no limit on how long it carries on for only that it reaches an abrupt end.

So, pretty much everything is a fad.

 

[wazoo]

Looking at the 2011 list for multi-platform titles...

- The Grinder (High Voltage/Sega)
- Ghost Recon Future Soldier (Ubisoft)
- De Blob Underground (THQ)
- Driver: San Francisco (Ubisoft)
- WWE All-Stars (THQ)

And some games based on movie franchises like Thor, Captain America, Green Lantern and I believe Disney movies, it's pretty bleak in 2011.

The Grinder is without publisher.

Everything else is multiplatform (2nd team - little to no exposure or preview before launch - no marketing - see Spiderman SD for an example).

De Blob Underground is your best bet for non shitty offering at this time.

 

[Chris1964]

As great 3rd party support for 3DS, instead of EA or Konami I would mention Capcom who is porting their current more appeling game for the hardcore (SSFIV) and developing for the system a brand new game of their main IP (Resident Evil), that looks like it's going to be the game with best visuals in the system.

I say that because the games from both IPs aren't typically ported to everything.

Square Enix and I'm sure Level 5 are giving everything to 3DS.

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

Fads can last for yrs or months. There's no limit on how long it carries on for only that it reaches an abrupt end. Haven't been following nintendo's company figures too closely but it appears, from what i have read, that the lack of 3rd party support is beginning to take its toll on profitability - well that and piracy.



It will live as long as nintendo choose to support it/keep it afloat as opposed to say the PS2 which still lives on to this day with nary a first party offering on it in years.

Actually, the foreign currency exchange rate is what is taking its toll on profitability.

The Wii has been a major disappointment for me personally, and I think it would be impossible to calculate just how much wasted sales potential was truly there, but at the end of the day, it would be nearly insane to say it wasn't a massive success. Nintendo made billions of dollars off of it, went from a ~20% marketshare to a 65-70% marketshare, used the platform to sell some of their highest-selling software (and by default, some of *the* highest-selling software) ever, it's the fastest-selling home console of all-time, and if it stopped selling tomorrow, it would be the third highest selling home console of all-time and the fifth-highest selling piece of video game hardware of all-time.

If the Wii is not a success, the following systems are also not successes:

Playstation 3
Xbox 360
PSP
Nintendo Entertainment System
Super Nintendo Entertainment System
Game Boy Advance
Xbox
SEGA Genesis
...
actually, there are so many, it would be easier to list the systems that could possibly be successes if the Wii is a failure:

Playstation
Playstation 2
Nintendo DS
Game Boy

/endlist

 

[wazoo]

And some games based on movie franchises like Thor, Captain America, Green Lantern and I believe Disney movies, it's pretty bleak in 2011.

If you want to go that deep, you can add anything "non-mature" EA like Create, Fifa, Madden, COD and DJ/Band/GH from Activision, Deca Sports 3 (with M+ !!) and so on. Unlike the N64, where the ROMS costed an arm, or the GC, which was dead, the Wii can be in "late-ps2-level" for a few years.

 

[MYE]

Uh, no. What exactly am I insulting him about with that? I am inferring directly that he likes abuse because he does. He's purchasing poor quality products and then reinforcing in developers that's what he wants by purchasing further poor quality products.

It is advisable, therefore, to tell him exactly what that is. That's someone who likes abuse. I'm saying it in the same exact way as if I was telling a women who stays with someone who keeps beating her that "you must like abuse if you stay with that man." That isn't insulting the women in that context either. In this context, it's more like advising him to stop accepting less.

Anyone who continually takes abuse will keep getting abused.

:lol

 

[wazoo]

...
actually, there are so many, it would be easier to list the systems that could possibly be successes if the Wii is a failure:

Playstation
Playstation 2
Nintendo DS
Game Boy

/endlist

Wii will pass the playstation, just because of sales inertia. Launch of Wii2 may have also something to see with Nintendo wanting to erase the ps2 from record history list. At some point, Iwata was telling it was his objective (not so agressively of course).

 

[Sadist]

If you want to go that deep, you can add anything "non-mature" EA like Create, Fifa, Madden, COD and DJ/Band/GH from Activision, Deca Sports 3 (with M+ !!) and so on. Unlike the N64, where the ROMS costed an arm, or the GC, which was dead, the Wii can be in "late-ps2-level" for a few years.

Still, they Wii might be doing better, but not by much. Don't know about a few years. 2011? Sure.

2012? Don't know about that.

 

[Jokeropia]

And Resistance 2 was pretty badly slammed by the fanbase for being rushed and dropping features and changing gameplay flow and it's almost universally now considered as the wrong direction for a franchise which had a promising start.

Well I didn't play it and just noted that the reviews were pretty good.

In any case, I do believe there were reports on how Red Steel 2 spent quite some time in development hell and had at least one complete reboot, so it's not like the product released was worked on effectively for 3.5 years.

I do believe we can all agree that if they did make a ground up RE4-style mainline Resident Evil game for Wii, it would find considerable success. I also believe however that there is no reason for them to do that, when they are (likely) finding greater success in doing this for the PS360PC.

Personally, I don't need it to be a mainline game. (If by "mainline" you mean "Resident Evil 5".) A subtitled spinoff would be quite sufficient for me.

 

[farnham]

Actually, the foreign currency exchange rate is what is taking its toll on profitability.

The Wii has been a major disappointment for me personally, and I think it would be impossible to calculate just how much wasted sales potential was truly there, but at the end of the day, it would be nearly insane to say it wasn't a massive success. Nintendo made billions of dollars off of it, went from a ~20% marketshare to a 65-70% marketshare, used the platform to sell some of their highest-selling software (and by default, some of *the* highest-selling software) ever, it's the fastest-selling home console of all-time, and if it stopped selling tomorrow, it would be the third highest selling home console of all-time and the fifth-highest selling piece of video game hardware of all-time.

If the Wii is not a success, the following systems are also not successes:

Playstation 3
Xbox 360
PSP
Nintendo Entertainment System
Super Nintendo Entertainment System
Game Boy Advance
Xbox
SEGA Genesis
...
actually, there are so many, it would be easier to list the systems that could possibly be successes if the Wii is a failure:

Playstation
Playstation 2
Nintendo DS
Game Boy

/endlist

isnt the wii selling faster then the PS2 and also doesnt it have more 10 million + sellers then the PS2 already ?

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

isnt the wii selling faster then the PS2 and also doesnt it have more 10 million + sellers then the PS2 already ?

Wouldn't it be nifty if I had said something about the Wii being the fastest selling console of all-time in that post you quoted? Yeah, that would have been cool.

 

[TheKingsCrown]

Disclaimer to my reply: I do not own a Wii. My sister and brother do and I have played many different titles many times but never felt inclined to purchase one myself. I own an NES, SNES, owned an N64, and a regular original giant ass Gameboy.

I think Nintendo's main problem is that the console they put out is COMPLETELY inferior to Microsoft and Sony's offerings. For $50 more than Wii costs, you get an HD capable console/media server. Why did Nintendo not make the Wii HD? Baffles the mind. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall during that discussion. I believe Nintendo solely believed their console would sell on the fact that it had wireless motion control, which at the time, no other console had. However with the Fall launch of Kinect and Move, I think the Wii is going to be shoved out of the market.

Half the problem was the lack of supply during the Wii's launch. A lot of people got pissed and bought a 360. Or at least that's what I did. I now refuse to buy a Wii solely because I would say more than 50% of the titles available for it are complete crap that's marketed to a family audience, and may appeal to people 10 years of age and younger, or it's a COMPLETELY neutered version of the same title available on 360 or PS3. That's it. I would love to have a Wii for golf games ONLY; that's it, and the virtual console stuff but I can get an emulator on my PC for playing NES/SNES/N64 games and it works better and is free(*).

I think after the fall, if Nintendo doesn't come up with an up to date new console with HD output and other common features, they're going to be done with the home console market. However, they completely dominate the handheld market and have since the Gameboy. I plan on buying a 3DS on day one. I believe we'll see Nintendo begin to slowly become a solely portable game hardware company and that's it. I just can't see them competing with Microsoft and Sony in the next-gen console wars. Maybe the NEXT next gen console wars, but if the Wii is any indication, I'd doubt they stand a chance.

I think a lot of the problem is that Nintendo caters mostly to Eastern ideas of games and culture which doesn't mesh well with the UK and US. I, for one, cannot stand most Japanese style RPGs and other games, solely because the artwork is generally very similar, interfaces are cluttered and needlessly complex, etc. I just don't like the Eastern game design. I'd venture to say the majority of Western gamers do not like the Eastern style of game design either. Yes, there are huge exceptions and huge portions that LOVE Eastern developed games. Hell, all of my friends love these games, I just can't stand them.

But Nintendo doesn't know how to let 3rd parties breathe, and this has been an issue since the NES/SNES days with licensing and everything. This is becoming a rambling long text post, so I will stop.

In summary, I think the Wii is dead or at least on it's deathbed. Third party devs and publishers have abandoned it, this is for certain. However, Nintendo's handheld market is very promising.

My good god. Please never post on a message board with such ignorance again.

The true problem for 3rd parties is they invested heavily in an HD path for the console industry and those investments didn't pay off so they're doing their best to make those investments pay off piece meal across the generation across the PS3 and 360.

They're constantly playing catch-up on Wii, as all 3rd parties are. Nintendo is not because they know their machine. 3rd parties do not and do not care about 5 year old architecture because most owners, employees, etc. of 3rd parties are viciously obsessed with high end graphics and forgot to learn the other part of their trade: art, gameplay, synergy in game design, etc. A 3rd party business model based upon the aforementioned traits may have a mega hit, but its very hit or miss, and thus can only be undertaken under the context of a 3rd party which has other revenue streams from the constant purchase of titles by 15-25 year old teenage boys who masturbate furiously to seeing higher and higher definition butt cracks of madden NFL players. Thus, the clusterfuck of 3rd party ignorance was born from millionaires made in this space. But now tastes are changing and 3rd parties are slowly turning their titanics away from their self-created icebergs and by NEXT GEN, they will have done so.

Thus comes the first generation of consoles where you have an overwhelming leader in hardware and its own software but not a machine which captures ALL 3rd party efforts. And actually that's okay for Nintendo, and its okay for 3rd parties. It's NOT okay if you're a hardcore gamer who also enjoys Nintendo specific and motion titles. This means you must either own a PC + Wii, or a Wii and either a 360 or a PS3. Or own all 3, forget about it all, and go back to f'ing playing games!

 

[ASIS]

by gluing 2010 and 2011 you are missing the point. 2010 has been very good (at least by my standards) to the Wii and this Fall will keep this year on track to be the one of th best year for the Wii. What is debated is the post christmas effect, where there is basically none to see. 3rd parties are usually announcing games much more in advance than Nintendo, and at this time we should have a overall clear vision of 2011 first half pre-E3, and at the current time, this is almost empty. It looks like 3rd parties are finishing what they are doing now (sometimes with lots of ambition, see Epic Mickey) and then they will move on.

Oh, no when I said 2010- 2011 I meant Wii's entire library, first and third party included. As I said, I don't believe Wii ever had good third party support, and it's not going to change now.

 

[Razgreez]

So, pretty much everything is a fad.

Not all things come to an abrupt end purchase wise, ergo the PS2 example. The hula hoop is a perfect example of a fad. Millions buying it one year, thousands the next and then... nothing. The wii scenario is obviously not that dramatic but you catch my drift

 

[farnham]

Not all things come to an abrupt end purchase wise, ergo the PS2 example. The hula hoop is a perfect example of a fad. Millions buying it one year, thousands the next and then... nothing. The wii scenario is obviously not that dramatic but you catch my drift

well the wii is not at an abrupt end at all

if anything it actually did better then it did in 2009 so far.

if it will do anything similar to December 2009 remains to be seen

 

[Razgreez]

well the wii is not at an abrupt end at all

if anything it actually did better then it did in 2009 so far.

if it will do anything similar to December 2009 remains to be seen

True, i'm basing this on what i feel its lifetime sales might represent because of the effect of a lack of 3rd party support. I accept that i could be totally wrong. About the doing better than 2009 - i'm not sure. Almost definitely read that growth is down and losses have been made this year

 

[farnham]

True, i'm basing this on what i feel its lifetime sales might represent because of the effect of a lack of 3rd party support. I accept that i could be totally wrong. About the doing better than 2009 - i'm not sure. Almost definitely read that growth is down and losses have been made this year

as someone pointed out its already the no. 3 best selling console of all times. calling it a failure or fad is quite a stretch

also yes losses have been made but that was due to dwindling DS sales and probably due to 3DS production costs

 

[AniHawk]

as someone pointed out its already the no. 3 best selling console of all times. calling it a failure or fad is quite a stretch

also yes losses have been made but that was due to dwindling DS sales and probably due to 3DS production costs

My knowledge of financial statements are limited, but the losses came from the dollar-yen conversion. They lost something like $700m on the exchange rate. Their operating profit was down as well (by half, which is probably due to weaker Wii and DS sales), but it was still a profit of about $270m if I'm doing this right.

 

[Jokeropia]

About the doing better than 2009 - i'm not sure.

I am. Worldwide Wii shipments are up 36% this fiscal year compared to last so far.

 

[Razgreez]

as someone pointed out its already the no. 3 best selling console of all times. calling it a failure or fad is quite a stretch

also yes losses have been made but that was due to dwindling DS sales and probably due to 3DS production costs

I don't want to sound like a beating the same drum over and over but above is exactly what happens with a fad. Fad does not mean unsuccessful

I am. Worldwide Wii shipments are up 36% this fiscal year compared to last so far.

If that is true then i'm wrong with regards to growth. Apologies

 

[Chris1964]

I don't want to sound like a beating the same drum over and over but above is exactly what happens with a fad. Fad does not mean unsuccessful

Ok we understood your point, for you Wii is a fad.

 

[BishopLamont]

People are still calling the Wii a fad? :lol

I don't want to sound like a beating the same drum over and over but above is exactly what happens with a fad. Fad does not mean unsuccessful

So the PS2 is a fad?

 

[Amir0x]

In that case, bite me. You're factually wrong about what constitutes a fact, self-contradicting, rude, and too immature to admit when you're wrong. How's that for not taking abuse?

See, now you're actually flinging insults. But that's ok - it doesn't offend me. You've yet to provide a compelling enough argument to convince anyone to even admit you're of sound mind, let alone right. Maturity has little to do with that.

In any event, you can keep ducking actually responding to the points I've made. It seems the conversation has suitably moved beyond you anyway.

Well I didn't play it and just noted that the reviews were pretty good.

Yeah, game journalism is a mess. Big surprise

In any case, I do believe there were reports on how Red Steel 2 spent quite some time in development hell and had at least one complete reboot, so it's not like the product released was worked on effectively for 3.5 years.
Personally, I don't need it to be a mainline game. (If by "mainline" you mean "Resident Evil 5".) A subtitled spinoff would be quite sufficient for me.

True true. Red Steel 2 did have developmental problems. At the end of the day, though, I don't think even if it hadn't had those issues that it would have come out significantly earlier, much less early enough to constitute relevant "foundation building" like we were discussing.


By mainline, I just meant like... something of the caliber of Resident Evil: Code Veronica or something like that. Maybe one day they'll still do that. I mean, who can say?

 

[Razgreez]

People are still calling the Wii a fad? :lol


So the PS2 is a fad?

hahaha, do read my previous posts

Ok we understood your point, for you Wii is a fad.

Precisely
Time will tell whether my opinion is right or not

 

[AniHawk]

By mainline, I just meant like... something of the caliber of Resident Evil: Code Veronica or something like that. Maybe one day they'll still do that. I mean, who can say?

Well Code Veronica originally was 3 while 3 was originally the subtitled spinoff thing.

 

[Owzers]

I don't think the Wii is a fad, but its motion controller was a novelty. Wii Sports was a fun distraction from pretentious crap blockbusters but the controller itself was not functional enough to take motion controlled gaming to a serious level and the lack of good games utilizing the controller shows it.

I want to punch Lucas Arts in the shoulder for making a Kinect game instead of focusing on Move.

 

[AniHawk]

I want to punch Lucas Arts in the shoulder for making a Kinect game instead of focusing on Move.

Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

 

[Pureauthor]

Money can be exchanged for goods and services.

Whad are ya BUYIN'

 

[BishopLamont]

hahaha, do read my previous posts

The Wii hasn't come to an abrupt stop, so why is it a fad?

 

[Amir0x]

Well Code Veronica originally was 3 while 3 was originally the subtitled spinoff thing.

Code Veronica was a much better game than 3 imo so that doesn't shock me.

Personally, it doesn't seem like a bad idea for me for Capcom to meet this need Wii fans have. I mean if they did make a big Resident Evil game for Wii, it would undoubtedly sell. Like I said I'm just not sure they really feel they need to do that. Maybe their experience with the Gamecube put them off or something, or maybe they just feel they have a good strategy as it is.

 

[AniHawk]

Code Veronica was a much better game than 3 imo so that doesn't shock me.

Personally, it doesn't seem like a bad idea for me for Capcom to meet this need Wii fans have. I mean if they did make a big Resident Evil game for Wii, it would undoubtedly sell. Like I said I'm just not sure they really feel they need to do that. Maybe their experience with the Gamecube put them off or something, or maybe they just feel they have a good strategy as it is.

Actually, I'm not sure they have the manpower to do that. They'd have to bring in another developer to do it, I'm sure. I think all Capcom is capable making these days are proper Resident Evils, proper Street Fighters, and Monster Hunter. Even stuff like Mega Man, Dead Rising 2, and some other third thing (i was gonna say their versus fighters but i think they're doing MVC3) are being done by other companies.

 

[Razgreez]

The Wii hasn't come to an abrupt stop, so why is it a fad?

See this thread is about 3rd party support. It stands stand to reason that lack of it has resulted in the downfall of consoles like the dreamcast. However in the case of the wii it has great first party titles and very clever marketing combined with minimal research and development costs. In other words its development was brilliant business wise. On top of that it had the hook of "motion control" which was always going to become part of general gaming eventually - in my opinion.

Problem is its controls, once again in my opinion, are not good enough. They require too much compromise on a developers part. Time that could be spent using libraries to develop games is instead used to first develop ways around its deficiencies. Also games that were designed specifically to be used with its controls couldn't easilly be ported over to other consoles to mitigate risk - although i'm now repeating what i've typed earlier.

Now the fad part comes in with my experience of using it. Honestly the hardware just isnt up to scruff. I enjoy good graphics, i appreciate good production values and i find tight controls to be a necessity - killzone 2 really tested my patience. For the most part the wii adds none of these so i wouldnt buy it and to me it's a fad. Popular yes but one step forward and two steps back. No real potential for taking the industry forward and eventually people will rather quickly lose interest

Your opinion might be different, i respect that

 

[Boney]

Precisely
Time will tell whether my opinion is right or not

So let me get this straight. You yourself, as most of us, think the Wii will have trouble maintaining it's sales momentum thanks to anemic 3rd party support, and that they're where they are now thanks to their software support alone (blame nintendo and 3rd parties yadda yadda).

But then, here comes the glorious part, you make it sound like it's a complete failure, and the sales they've achieved it the equivalent of just winning the lottery. Wii is a fad because it's sustaining like every other videogame console except the PS2 (which clinged to the Wii's early support) and perhaps the HD twins... and that makes it a complete fad, gotcha.

 

[farnham]

See this thread is about 3rd party support. It stands stand to reason that lack of it has resulted in the downfall of consoles like the dreamcast. However in the case of the wii it has great first party titles and very clever marketing combined with minimal research and development costs. In other words its development was brilliant business wise. On top of that it had the hook of "motion control" which was always going to become part of general gaming eventually - in my opinion.

Problem is its controls, once again in my opinion, are not good enough. They require too much compromise on a developers part. Time that could be spent using libraries to develop games is instead used to first develop ways around its deficiencies. Also games that were designed specifically to be used with its controls couldn't easilly be ported over to other consoles to mitigate risk - although i'm now repeating what i've typed earlier.

Now the fad part comes in with my experience of using it. Honestly the hardware just isnt up to scruff. I enjoy good graphics, i appreciate good production values and i find tight controls to be a necessity - killzone 2 really tested my patience. For the most part the wii adds none of these so i wouldnt buy it and to me it's a fad. Popular yes but one step forward and two steps back. No real potential for taking the industry forward and eventually people will rather quickly lose interest

Your opinion might be different, i respect that

in other words you dont like it and therefore its a fad....

 

[Grampa Simpson]

See this thread is about 3rd party support. It stands stand to reason that lack of it has resulted in the downfall of consoles like the dreamcast. However in the case of the wii it has great first party titles and very clever marketing combined with minimal research and development costs. In other words its development was brilliant business wise. On top of that it had the hook of "motion control" which was always going to become part of general gaming eventually - in my opinion.

Problem is its controls, once again in my opinion, are not good enough. They require too much compromise on a developers part. Time that could be spent using libraries to develop games is instead used to first develop ways around its deficiencies. Also games that were designed specifically to be used with its controls couldn't easilly be ported over to other consoles to mitigate risk - although i'm now repeating what i've typed earlier.

Now the fad part comes in with my experience of using it. Honestly the hardware just isnt up to scruff. I enjoy good graphics, i appreciate good production values and i find tight controls to be a necessity - killzone 2 really tested my patience. For the most part the wii adds none of these so i wouldnt buy it and to me it's a fad. Popular yes but one step forward and two steps back. No real potential for taking the industry forward and eventually people will rather quickly lose interest

Your opinion might be different, i respect that

So..... you don't understand the definition of fad?

fad [fæd]
n Informal
1. an intense but short-lived fashion; craze
2. a personal idiosyncrasy or whim

We're talking about definition #1 here. The Wii doesn't fit it because of the short-lived part.

 

[boiled goose]

Now the fad part comes in with my experience of using it. Honestly the hardware just isnt up to scruff. I enjoy good graphics, i appreciate good production values and i find tight controls to be a necessity - . For the most part the wii adds none of these so i wouldnt buy it and to me it's a fad. Popular yes but one step forward and two steps back. No real potential for taking the industry forward and eventually people will rather quickly lose interest

Sorry but this is just plain silly. Im being polite here.
Seems like you didnt enjoy your limited experience with the wii. THAT DOES NOT MAKE IT A FAD!!:lol It is fine to not like something and sometimes it is even ok to say i dont think I would like something based on limited impressions, but fad and you not liking it are not related at all.

Wii might even have a shorter lifespan than the hd consoles, but it will probably fallin line with the life cycle of most other consoles. it is extremely unlikely its sales will suddenly fall of a cliff. if you think they will that is fine. no one can predict the future. Just dont say shit like the bolded above. it doesnt make sense.

people can have different opinions and that is fine, but you just cant make up shit just because you feel like it. :lol

 

[Razgreez]

So..... you don't understand the definition of fad?

fad [fæd]
n Informal
1. an intense but short-lived fashion; craze
2. a personal idiosyncrasy or whim

We're talking about definition #1 here. The Wii doesn't fit it because of the short-lived part.

Well it's a definite craze. I've had many of my friends who don't play games talk about it and even been invited to parties to come play it. And now most of them almost act embarrassed to have owned it. Seems cliche but it's as real as rural russian girls are beautiful - i've been there recently the cliche is true. But yeah, short-lived is relative. And i don't dislike it. I think it's great for fps because of its pointer controls but not for much else. I admire nintendo's ingenuity in the way they created to. I'm just impartial to it. I'm using "i" and "i'm" way too much here...

 

[boiled goose]

Well it's a definite craze. I've had many of my friends who don't play games talk about it and even been invited to parties to come play it. But yeah, short-lived is relative. And i don't dislike it. I think it's great for fps because of its pointer controls but not for much else. I admire nintendo's ingenuity in the way they created to it. I'm just impartial to it. I'm using "i" and "i'm" way too much here...

You seem like a reasonable, receptive person. If you are going to use strong words to define something you have to have the ability to back it up.

Do you want to continue or do you give up? What is a relatively short-lived time frame? Shorter than the average console? shorter than the competition? shorter than personal computers? (and how much shorter?)

 

[Safe Bet]

We're talking about definition #1 here. The Wii doesn't fit it because of the short-lived part.

The term "short-lived" is relative to the time-span being examined.

Edit:

*beaten*

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

The term "short-lived" is relative to the time-span being examined.

Edit:

*beaten*

What are we comparing the Wii to here? The life of a sea turtle?

 

[Safe Bet]

What are we comparing the Wii to here? The life of a sea turtle?

*shrug*

We could either take a generational view which would rule out* the use of the word or we can take a lifetime view (of videogames) which would still keep the word in play, for now.



*on the condtion Wii and its software doesn't fall off the sales chart like a brick

 

[Segata Sanshiro]

If we take a lifetime view, then every popular video game console has been a fad. It just doesn't seem like a meaningful use of the word's intended meaning at all.

 

[Drkirby]

I don't debate about things I don't believe it. Nor do I hold an opinion if I do not passionately believe it to be true. Nobody has changed their mind about anything in this thread, not me, not Leondexter, not ElFly...no one. But yet here I am, being accused of being stubborn.

IMO, you will rarely win an internet debate, but the true point of one is to convince others reading it your point, those who can and will change their stance. They may not say anything about it or be heard, but they are out there.

 

[Safe Bet]

Since the word cannot be measured in a business sense, it must be measured by impact and influence.