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Life-or-death situation: Bat vs. Knife?
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Given my vast experience in plastic lightsaber fights, I'd take the knife. The average dude will just flail wildly, allowing me to pin the bat under my arm with little more than a broken rib or two and go to town slicing and dicing with my other hand. Also I think the fear factor would be higher for the guy in danger of getting stabbed.
No fear of getting your skull cracked?
Manmademan
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This. unless you can throw with some pinpoint accuracy, you'll never get close enough to use that knife.
Jeff Albertson
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Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
A hunting knife? You mean like 8-12" with a hilt guard? If so, I'll take the knife, no question.
At least you'd be ko'd quickly vs slowly bleeding to death.
SunhiLegend
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Knife.
You'll have to be close enough for them to swing the bat, as soon as they initiate the swinging motion you rush forward and stab the person, you'll be too close for the bat to hit you and you'll be able to stab them multiple times.
You'll have to be close enough for them to swing the bat, as soon as they initiate the swinging motion you rush forward and stab the person, you'll be too close for the bat to hit you and you'll be able to stab them multiple times.
Knife is more lethal.
Coin Return
Loose Slot
Knife all the way. I'll take a broken shoulder/arm/wrist over a sliced jugular/shanked gut.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
"Easily" meaning if you get a solid impact, the force would easily overcome the grip. However, it is not so easy to get such an exact swing at the correct angle on a small, highly mobile target against a person who is specifically focused on your actions. This is a duel, not a royal rumble.
not saying it isnt. but there has to be equal amount of fear in getting your head caved in or getting cut up. atleast thats how im looking at it.
You have to really look at both sides of the coin here. How would you disarm me when I've shattered your clavicle with a vertical hit from the bat?
This is a really difficult question to solve when we don't have any sort of specifics. And even then it comes down to a lot of random factors affecting the outcome.
I'd probably take a machete over a bat, but I guess that doesn't count as a knife. Also is the opponent equal in size, strength and dexterity? I think I'd still stick with a wooden bat because of the ability to stop a dude with a single blow. Even if it didn't kill right away, it'd still be capable of dazing and stunning the opponent with short throw hits to the torso.
I can definitely see the benefits of a knife too, though. Light and easily maneuverable but you wouldn't be able to deal lethal stabs or cuts without the bat guy just standing there. If you're a combat expert wielding a knife with intricate knowledge of the human anatomy, then you'll easily end a bat wielder.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Then how much less so with a bat? There is so much limitation to the effective application of a bat.
Sorry, but real life is not like a Matrix movie.
The guy wielding the bat would anticipate his swing correctly because he's not blind and hit you square in the skull.
Lol what, this is a knife, not a broadsword wielded by conan the barbarian.
ElectricBlue187
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I like the bat here. A knife doesn't give you that feeling of gravitas you get from the bat.
I believe in my ability to dodge bat blows. As someone that played baseball, I can tell you that you don't need to swing it that many times before your arms get tired. That applies to someone that is in shape too, which isn't everyone.
There are just too many variables. Me vs Grandma? Knife, for sure. She's not going to do shit with the bat, but what if she chucks the knife at the last second and it goes into my heart? Me vs an athletic person? Probably the bat for range, like others have suggested.
Depends.
A bat favors the strong, since the stronger you are, the most force you can swing the damn thing with. It won't matter if they block it; if you're strong enough, it's gonna hurt.
Conversely, the knife favors the fast and skillful. A nimble person can outmaneuver the bat person and strike appropriately. Could also use the bat person's momentum against them and take advantage of that. It's a deadlier weapon in the proper hands, though if you're picking the knife just because you think it IS deadlier, you're probably screwed.
You could throw the knife, though you'd have to aim carefully, hope you hit the right location, and pray they don't move or block the knife.
A bat favors the strong, since the stronger you are, the most force you can swing the damn thing with. It won't matter if they block it; if you're strong enough, it's gonna hurt.
Conversely, the knife favors the fast and skillful. A nimble person can outmaneuver the bat person and strike appropriately. Could also use the bat person's momentum against them and take advantage of that. It's a deadlier weapon in the proper hands, though if you're picking the knife just because you think it IS deadlier, you're probably screwed.
You could throw the knife, though you'd have to aim carefully, hope you hit the right location, and pray they don't move or block the knife.
DonasaurusRex
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knife...one or two stabs then you can just run around and watch em get sleepy
evil solrac v3.0
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what people are these that kill gun weilders?
LOL
I'd like to see you shrug off a hit to the hand from a bat.
if he gets your knees, you are going DOWN. as in to the floor. and you aren't going to be swinging the bat like you're playing baseball.
again, you aren't swinging like you're at Yankee Stadium, it'll be side to side motion until you connect then you can imitate Ken Griffey Jr. teeing off.
Adrenaline or not, you will feel a broken and shattered bone. you're not shrugging that off, what are you , Superman?
if you're comign at me with a knife, i'm stepping side to side to avoid the stabs while i'll be swinging at you with in qucik, short bursts.
*sigh* you're not shruggin off a broken arm. you just aren't. you will feel the pain and IT WILL HURT AND YOU WILL STOP.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
And a knife wielder should be able to read and respond to the bat swing because they aren't blind.
I've been taking martial arts training in hand combat as well as weapon combat. I wouldn't say I'm good but I have at least been taught the major principles. If the weapon was one with a serious range advantage, it would win for sure, but a bat doesn't have enough. It's very similar to a sword (which is for more skilled people), except it doesn't have the bladed edge so when the weaknesses apply, there isn't even a backup.
Consider:
How quickly can you attack with your weapon?
How easily can it be read?
How easily can you feint with it or otherwise adjust from your opponent's read on it?
How easily can the damaging aspect be absorbed, deflected, redirected?
If you miss or strike ineffectively, how quickly can you effect your weapon again?
How easily can it be captured?
How much strength expended does it require to be damaging?
How useful is it if your opponent gets close? To your side? Below you? Above you?
How useful is it if you become hurt, off balance, falling, on the ground, tired, grappled, disoriented?
Things don't have to be the matrix for the knife to be better. The knife is certainly less useful if you aren't very mobile, but if the two people are relatively in shape, it has many advantages.
Huevos de Oro
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Dundee size.
I'd take the bat. Just make sure I aim at the middle part of the body and hope the other guy doesn't know how to throw a fucking knife because if he does I'm fucked.
A Pretty Panda
fuckin' called it, man
Yeah I change my vote to a giant bomb.
A lot of the people picking knife seem to imagine an aggressive bat wielder, swinging like a maniac.
In reality, unless your opponent is an idiot (certainly a possibility, I guess), you'll have somebody choking up a little on the bat, or with his hands spread out to give him more control, and he won't be rushing you. He'll be sitting back there waiting for you to come charging in suicide style with the knife, ready to shatter the bones in your weapon hand/arm, or pop you in the head if you leave yourself open enough, or whatever. Any aggression will be quick, probing little swings, And he won't over-commit until he's disarmed or disabled the knife wielder.
You can actually use some finesse with a big club weapon if you want to.
In reality, unless your opponent is an idiot (certainly a possibility, I guess), you'll have somebody choking up a little on the bat, or with his hands spread out to give him more control, and he won't be rushing you. He'll be sitting back there waiting for you to come charging in suicide style with the knife, ready to shatter the bones in your weapon hand/arm, or pop you in the head if you leave yourself open enough, or whatever. Any aggression will be quick, probing little swings, And he won't over-commit until he's disarmed or disabled the knife wielder.
You can actually use some finesse with a big club weapon if you want to.
SaltyDoughnut
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Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
And you're assuming the knife wielder is an idiot.
Moral Panic
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Depend who you're fighting/your own skills. I reckon if you can come in low and fast with a knife you'll win.
dispensergoinup
Member
I would pick the bat. I don't trust my stabbing skills, but I can swing pretty well.
Yeah. And on top of that, clunking someone in the head with a bat would drop 'em if not kill 'em. A knife will wound but not stop unless you have one hell of an opening.
...jesus, i sound like i wear a dirty camo jacket year round and have a solder of fortune subscription or something.
Not necessarily, because all things being equal, unless I had the advantage of surprise, I'd rather have a longer weapon, almost any kind of stick with enough weight to do a little damage, over a knife. Just because it is hard to bridge that gap.
I've done some knife and other kinds of weapon sparring (I won't claim to be an expert or anything, far far from it) but based on those experiences, I agree with one of the previous posters. If I had a knife and a guy picked up a bat to fight me, I would just turn and run, even in some weird hypothetical situation where I am the sort of guy that actually gets into deadly weapon duels with people.
Now a sword, even a machete, I might see it differently, but with a 9 or 10 inch blade, vs a club that's more than twice as long, just no way. There is too little room for error and the shorter weapon forces you to be the aggressor.
dorkimoe
Member
Pretty much this. As long as the bat didn't Hit your head. But you could just block it with your forearm (yeah you'd break your forearm) but then you could just stab the throat
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Not really. All it has to do is incapacitate. Once that happens, the other guy's wide open regardless.
Nasty scenario since it's very possible to fatally stab someone only for them to return the favor in the 9 seconds or so til they bleed out sufficiently to lose consciousness.
So it could go:
Knife guy gets inside the swing, and stabs the other guy. Nicks a major artery. Bat guy responds by shattering knife guy's skull then collapses dead.
Also a hunting knife usually doesn't have a blood groove so if you stab someone deep, you're likely to lose the weapon in their body. That one shot better really count.
Broder Salsa
Banned
Protect your head with one arm. In the other arm you got your knife and you rush in.
Team Filler
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Bat
arglebargle
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this is not relevant but this conversation reminds me of how pissed off i got at princess buttercup in princess bride for poking the ROUS with that branch rather than swinging it like a bat.
to answer the question, assuming i am fighting someone of similar fighting skills to myself (ie none) i would want the bat. i would guess among trained people the knife is the better choice but that seems to benefit from training and skills that i dont have.
to answer the question, assuming i am fighting someone of similar fighting skills to myself (ie none) i would want the bat. i would guess among trained people the knife is the better choice but that seems to benefit from training and skills that i dont have.
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