Wow, nitpicking much?
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Wow, nitpicking much?
SaintGalgo
Member
Anyone?
Supermanisdead
Member
lmao the saltiness.
will you ever get over it? i just can't understand how obsessive your hatred is. but see you in the OT, i guess.
You can extend it to run for a total of 13 days and no more, from my understanding.
But Majoras Mask and everything, there might be something in there to stop the game ending. Or maybe not.
What I mean is that the game keeps getting bigger and more varied and people still use the same statements that they won't be buying this because of -insert some compliant about the latest trailer -
My understanding is that you can keep extending it, possibly indefinitely, but you can't have more than 13 days at any one time.
It's a little murky, though.
They did supposedly confirm New Game+.
You've already seen her...
she's going to look exactly the same as before anyway. Probably saving someone for TGS I guess.
Rygdea got shafted :\ the only one I want to return. see his cool design, it helps he didn't have much of screen time too, best FF13 character in my mind.
I'm not sure what FF13-2 had to do with modern game design/sequels. Which modern game sequel is so far away and detached from the original game in story and even visual design that 13-2 was? If anything it was the opposite of modern sequels in a bad way. All the content in the game was throughly mediocre in perspective, the little there was and it overall less and worse of the same, yeah there were mediocre side quests what else it had over the original? nothing, FF13 tubes were more interesting in perspective that 13-2 levels..
Modern sequels usually go with the "more of the same mindset" and keep themes and personality of the game consistent overall, maybe too similar even for some people that get too boring in some case, but graphics are better, it's bigger etc. 13-2 wasn't that at all. They didn't improve on the original. Combat system is worse, game looks worse, encounters are worse, less playable characters, no unique looking weapons, less content, less bosses, hardly any new monsters etc etc. Some people are too kind about that game around here. It is just a very bad game in pretty much all aspects. Square Enix mindset of direct FF sequels so far is nothing like how rest of the industry makes franchises and trilogies at all. I'm not arguing that those modern sequels don't have problems but FF13-2 problems aren't related to any of that. It's just a bad game.
With that said, If you set aside how even more detached and far away this one looks like from the original, I think at least from the footage we've seen and what was said they've put more effort here than when making 13-2.
- Like how the combat system is altered could make for more interesting game, because it's somewhat new. we'll see.
- Game looks not good but at least it looks mostly 'new' so far. I mean the environment, we'll see how their open world map really is, it's their first attempt after all, I'm not expecting anything amazing right now but could be fun still.
- Seems like there is at least a number of new monsters and different looking weapons not just palette swaps, though they don't look any good.
I guess it's progress.
Wait for TGS and what's the point? She will look the same as in XIII.
Somewhat, save for one area in the trailer, a lot of them look about as closed off as like a 'Tales of' area, a lot of objects acting as walls and such. Not really seeing too much different from trailer to trailer to be honest. Like is the desert the only 'open' area in the game?
I have yet to see anything that would make me want to care for it having not liked XIII and having hated XIII-2, but I will still wait for actual hands-on on the final game to make a decision, but I expect it will be a lot smaller and more closed off than people anticipate. At least being able to move around and dodge/block in combat is a huge step up considering how badly the last two games needed it.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Watch the desert be an open area. With nothing in it. Ergo. Empty Wasteland.
brandonh83
Banned
Can't say I had those problems with it. I've been replaying FFXIII and I simply think XIII-2 blows it away.
I'm looking forward to it. I enjoyed XIII despite it's flaws. I didn't think a sequel was necessary, but platinum'd XIII-2 (relatively quickly). Hopefully Lightning Returns wraps up the whole story.
And yes, there were loads of framerate problems in XIII-2 on PS3. It baffled me how reviewers seemed to not even mention that when it came out.
And yes, there were loads of framerate problems in XIII-2 on PS3. It baffled me how reviewers seemed to not even mention that when it came out.
Supermanisdead
Member
the combat looks awesome and the costumes are fun. looks like each has its own fighting style and animations.
This is how I foresee it realistically. The one large area in XIII wasn't exactly masterfully created either.
I didn't notice many framerate issues in XIII-2 on PS3 outside of that dark academia timezone.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
But you can find probably 6-9 entry points to ancient ruins(linear dungeons) after wandering around like a headless chicken.
Ganon Dragmire
Member
He sheds so many tears, but has the audacity to fly around with a crown on it's head.
Well, I would wear a crown too if I let Serah die.
Dark Schala
Eloquent Princess
Rygdea did get shafted. Sucks.
Noel, Sazh, and Rygdea sequel is what I wanted.
I never really wanted to openly say it, but it's honestly tiring to read every LR thread, even when I wasn't posting much on GAF in the first half of the year, and see the same people constantly at each other's throats arguing the same things ad nauseam. And it isn't just the game's detractors at fault, either. People who put things in a negative light really shouldn't diminish your excitement about the game at all. But at the same time, stuff like the fetishization posts really need to be toned down, just like I'd suggested in a previous thread for the sake of having these threads be taken more seriously from a gameplay perspective. And because some of that stuff was toned down in that thread, we actually had decent exchanges about gameplay for once. I truly like to see more of that.
People who say that the environments and framerate aren't to their liking are just as welcome as people who say the environments look good and that the framerate is better than it used to be (and it is, you have to admit that it does). People who say they don't like the story/characters are welcome to express their opinions just as much as people who don't like the story/characters are able to say how they feel. But this atmosphere of belittling others for their opinions and constantly bickering, posturing, and antagonizing should probably be toned down for the sake of creating better discussion. Every FF thread doesn't have to be this way.
People who posture and post falsities about the game (ie: using shipped numbers instead of true sales numbers, or exaggerate about what the game will bring to the genre/how it performs) are just as bad as people who insist that people who are excited about the game are wrong for liking it without making a substantial post about their perspective.
People are also certainly welcome to voice whether or not they're buying it based on the trailer they've just seen, too. I don't see that's wrong with that at all. "I'm not convinced enough yet", or "give me a demo and we'll see how it plays to see whether or not I buy it discounted" is perfectly acceptable reasoning towards the game.
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ANYWAY. Adaren's right. The weapons have different animations and different animation times. Not to mention that it seems like every costume might serve a combat benefit in terms of timing and animations.
That was Locke's costume, right? I wonder if the costumes have certain weapons that they can equip and weapons that they can't. For Locke's case, it'd be daggers and swords. I guess if Lightning got a mage's costume, she'd probably only be limited to staves and rods (well, mostly rods because that's how this series usually goes in terms of classing stuff).
Noel, Sazh, and Rygdea sequel is what I wanted.
The issue is that some of you (on both extremes) just have to let it go and let the argument rest. Concentrate on the game and constructively criticize, or discuss what you do like about it the game in a thoughtful and substantial manner without taking potshots at people who disagree with you (or calling them 'haters' like you did).
I never really wanted to openly say it, but it's honestly tiring to read every LR thread, even when I wasn't posting much on GAF in the first half of the year, and see the same people constantly at each other's throats arguing the same things ad nauseam. And it isn't just the game's detractors at fault, either. People who put things in a negative light really shouldn't diminish your excitement about the game at all. But at the same time, stuff like the fetishization posts really need to be toned down, just like I'd suggested in a previous thread for the sake of having these threads be taken more seriously from a gameplay perspective. And because some of that stuff was toned down in that thread, we actually had decent exchanges about gameplay for once. I truly like to see more of that.
People who say that the environments and framerate aren't to their liking are just as welcome as people who say the environments look good and that the framerate is better than it used to be (and it is, you have to admit that it does). People who say they don't like the story/characters are welcome to express their opinions just as much as people who don't like the story/characters are able to say how they feel. But this atmosphere of belittling others for their opinions and constantly bickering, posturing, and antagonizing should probably be toned down for the sake of creating better discussion. Every FF thread doesn't have to be this way.
People who posture and post falsities about the game (ie: using shipped numbers instead of true sales numbers, or exaggerate about what the game will bring to the genre/how it performs) are just as bad as people who insist that people who are excited about the game are wrong for liking it without making a substantial post about their perspective.
People are also certainly welcome to voice whether or not they're buying it based on the trailer they've just seen, too. I don't see that's wrong with that at all. "I'm not convinced enough yet", or "give me a demo and we'll see how it plays to see whether or not I buy it discounted" is perfectly acceptable reasoning towards the game.
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ANYWAY. Adaren's right. The weapons have different animations and different animation times. Not to mention that it seems like every costume might serve a combat benefit in terms of timing and animations.
That was Locke's costume, right? I wonder if the costumes have certain weapons that they can equip and weapons that they can't. For Locke's case, it'd be daggers and swords. I guess if Lightning got a mage's costume, she'd probably only be limited to staves and rods (well, mostly rods because that's how this series usually goes in terms of classing stuff).
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Mog looks pretty happy to me.
I'm not talking about a sequel done properly. I'm talking about developers who see the need to create a sequel and put in half-baked mechanics and systems and dumb down the gameplay. We've seen numerous instances of this in the past two years alone. Look at Dead Space 3 and Dead Space 2. What made those games great is almost lost in the process. They toned down the difficulty for cheaper death sequences.
It's not a matter of being simply detached or inconsistent. XIII-2 in spirit is very alike to its predecessor and there's no doubt about it. Most sequels are also very much similar to its predecessors, hence sequel.
SE took everything that was actually good in the first game and completely trashed it. They made a sequel that checklisted many of the problems that existed in the first game and payed no attention to how the game would play after implementing it. It's tacking on gameplay and I've seen developers just add stuff for the sake of it being cool. What you're describing is a sequel well done in both design, thought, and execution. XIII-2 represents a sequel syndrome except done absolutely horribly. It's only highlighted because of how spectacularly crap it was.
XIII-2 had mini-games that didn't really mesh with the gameplay overall. It happened far too frequently and the difficulty ranged from terribly easy to stupidly hard. They were simply there because people complained the original didn't have them. The game was more open but still felt like a larger hallway with segmented places with a hub. The map designs and visuals most of the time lacked inspiration and felt horrible. The combat system was dumbed down to the point that the paradigm system didn't even matter anymore. The story was trashed to utter absurdity and convoluted bullshit. The side quests didn't feel all that meaningful. The dialogue choices are pure nonsennse and don't add anything to how the game plays or has meaningful repercussions.
Ganon Dragmire
Member
On Rygdea:
According to the Fragments Before:
Despite not seeing him in XIII-2, he's still alive. Maybe he'll appear in someway.
He looks pretty bummed but screw him and Serah.
According to the Fragments Before:
Then in Fragments After
Despite not seeing him in XIII-2, he's still alive. Maybe he'll appear in someway.
He looks pretty bummed but screw him and Serah.
Ganon Dragmire
Member
from http://www.finalfantasy.net/
The Heartstealer outfit a light and agile costume well suited to mobile attacks and evasion. Combine this garb with abilities involving movement for rapid and exciting action! Attacking motions will change depending on the weapon used. Armed with a rapier, Lightning attacks like a fast-moving fencer, with powerful thrusting strikes.
R_thanatos
Member
Really? It was a very inconsistent framerate from my observations. Even cutscenes weren't running at a solid framerate. The only things that stayed smooth were battles.
Nope.
Hilariously pathetic but it's to be expected I guess.
aw noooTomorrow I hope
You'd best prepare for a delay at this point.
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
You remember a very different game then I do. I remember frame rate drops as low as 14 fps and an average of 20 to 24 fps for the entire game.
stargateheaven
Member
What the... it was only like 2 weEks ago they were saying 2013 on the blog!
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
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CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Holy Fuck... what are they thinking with those textures/graphics? And that frame rate!
Fiscal 2013 now probably just like Castlevania
CrimsonCrescendo
Banned
Why is it that you seem more focused on the fact that other people don't like it just as much as you do than you are on the actual game itself? Is my pointing out that the frame rate is garbage and the graphics show obvious signs of being rushed really my "desperation to hate" or is that an attempt to cover up your own insecurity on liking the game in the first place in the face of such overwhelming dissent to that opinion?
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
Don't waste your time with that one.
There won't be any news for some time. Nor a release date. Just screenshots of a game you may have already played.
-_- what do you know? do tell... or PM me..
Coca Cola could bring back 'new coke' and it would still be more wanted as a return.
Throwback?
but I would like a video too