-
Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!
Lightning Returns Review Thread
- Thread starter Kagari
- Start date
Suzushiiro
Banned
It sounds like how big a deal the time thing is depends on your skill vs. the difficulty you choose, since you're rewarded with more time on the clock for playing well. So just play on easy if you hate the idea of having to start over just to finish the game at all, I suppose.
One thing is certain: he's very entertaining. I kinda like that.
Oh good. The overall timer was one of the biggest concerns for me. Nice to see it isn't a problem.
UtterlyPerplexed
Member
*shudders*
Crisis Core easily has a better protagonist, but it's a horribly weak game in my opinion.
It's Perfo. Of course he's serious. It's why we love him.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
And yet when it came out reviews rewarded it, people bought it in mass, and liked it. And it's never mentioned as a bad game. Like you say though... it's an horribly weak game in comparison to XIII-2 and LR.
I'm right: the problem is the FF Community and not the games.
100% serious
Just for reference, some fight with a shit enemy will give you very little EP. Those in the Chaos multiply that by 3 or so, but they're harder to defeat.
So sure, you can abuse the Chronostasis stuff...at the expense of grinding out fights. Which are less frequent than those in 13-2.
No, the problem is the games.
So sure, you can abuse the Chronostasis stuff...at the expense of grinding out fights. Which are less frequent than those in 13-2.
No, the problem is the games.
So basically, you're right and everyone else is wrong?
AuthenticM
Member
It's cool to like the game, but with crazy statements like this, how can you expect people to take anything you say seriously ?
What the heck is with their reveal trailer, they're quoting all the outlets that gave them bad/mediocre scores.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Nr2bC7U-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-Nr2bC7U-o
Perfo goes too far but I think a lot of the negativity on forums is contagious. People who've never played or barely played at all read negative opinions and parrot it and adopt it as their own. It happens a lot with a lot of things.
There are definitely valid criticisms against the FFXIII trilogy though. I personally like it quite a bit and the constant hate really wears on me so I mostly avoid Final Fantasy threads. It's annoying when people who never cared about the games and never intended to play the games show up in every thread to gloat and/or destroy any attempts at positive discussion. I know I have a minority opinion here though.
There are definitely valid criticisms against the FFXIII trilogy though. I personally like it quite a bit and the constant hate really wears on me so I mostly avoid Final Fantasy threads. It's annoying when people who never cared about the games and never intended to play the games show up in every thread to gloat and/or destroy any attempts at positive discussion. I know I have a minority opinion here though.
PshycoNinja
Member
If you ever find youself in this situation it's best to reflect upon yourself. That's what I try to do.
Do you see the cracks of madness?
You just discovered the holy grail of conspiracies.
A year before FFXIII's release, a large group of RPG fans and critics met up online and formed a secret organization, a organization that would thrive on criticizing and critiquing FFXIII heavily. Its all been a show, people actually genuinely love FFXIII, but that love can't be admitted. For that goes against the creed. All the criticism, all the venom, has been manufactured. A world where FFXIII is loved cannot exist, for the code mustn't be broken.
I'm coming out of hiding, this group, this menace cannot exist.
Mr. Poolman
Member
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
fuck you for spilling the beans
theprodigy
Member
you know the assassins are coming for you now right
AuthenticM
Member
I keep reading Perfo's new tag as "Thirteenth floor over the cuckoo's nest".
If you enjoy something and others don't, probably best to just assert you enjoy it for whatever reasons you have and leave it, if they want to start shit with you then it'll be on them. That's how it was for me with FFXII until last year anyway. In any event, there are XIII fans, but the communities for them are sparse. Can't really do anything about that unfortunately, and Perfo does a tremendous job of dragging the actual fans' image through the mud here.
Beyond that, a lot of the hate is rooted in general discontent, frustration, and restlessness in the general FF fandom thanks to 7 years of the same plot and characters. People are quite bitter now. Lightning, Toriyama, and Wada are the faces of that era. Unlike others who think it'll all end now that LR is out, I disagree. I don't think this will subside unless XV 'returns to the series' roots' which I doubt will happen given their approach to the combat this time around.
That's what you get for playing a DPS class
But yeah, XIV is good for people who like MMOs and fucking great for people who like MMOs and Final Fantasy, but if you like Final Fantasy and not MMOs you're probably gonna have a bad time. It is at the very least proof that Squeenix is still capable of making good games with the name Final Fantasy on them, though.
Take WoW
Apply FF Skin.
wow
Yoshi-P
Amazing Design
PshycoNinja
Member
You betrayed our creed and made us known to the world.
You must be destroyed. Get 'em boys!
Their name...Organization XIII. A bunch of Nobodies that tried to tarnish the goddess' name...and succedeed. And now their leader, Tetsuya Nomura himself, half genius half madman, mastermind behind the greatest cospiracy of all time, is ready to take the Final Fantasy series for himself. And people will beg for it.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
Should be Red XIII, imo
lol
SlasherJPC
Banned
Silent Hill HD collection?
But really... man the hate in this thread is just... leaking everywhere.
Alessandro
Member
Drakengard and LR happening in the same world confirmed. And that explains a lot of things.
Fine Ham Abounds
Member
How representative is the demo? I hadn't bothered yet, but I feel like I should while this thread is still fun 
Holy Order Sol
Member
No. The problem is you. You are one of the enablers, buying this shitty, awful game and giving Square-Enix undeserved return on investment. You try and downplay two of the best games Square-Enix has released in years, and try to elevate your Lightning waifu simulator out of trash status despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary. This game is not 'progress,' this is a regression. An embarrassing end to a complete clusterfuck of a trilogy that never needed to happen. A travesty to the Final Fantasy brand. You are no Final Fantasy fan.
You are a connoisseur of crap. Enjoy your meal.
Solbringer
Member
"It takes a strong man to deny what's right in front of him. And if the truth is undeniable, you create your own."
I wish I could pay monthly for it if ARR had time cards. That's literally the only reason why I'm not continuing with that game. Shame; because it's really good.
Usually when it comes to a community and it's influence on a game, the Final Fantasy series is literally the last thing I would list as having an unsavory community that is unable to have a singular cohesive thought on where the series should go. So....I think you're...wrong?
--
So I heard LR: FFXIII is fucking hard, eh? I'm interested more, but Drakengard homie. :C
I won't defend Perfo because I think he's going nuts and/or is a massive troll, but as far as consumerism goes I'll buy whatever the hell I think will entertain me from whatever company makes the game as I see fit, and anyone who has a problem with that can take a long walk off a short pier.
Love Deterrence
Member
That's not exactly fair. That guy is full of himself, for sure, but I wouldn't call anyone buying XIII an "enabler." People like what they like, and your sentiment that they enjoy crap if they buy Lightning Returns isn't any less ridiculous than his.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
The disappointing thing is that with some care and good thoughtful writing, Lightning Returns could've had a wonderful story.
I was upset to read Gamespot and other reviews saying this game isn't about Lightning but more about the circumstances going on in her world.
THIS type of narrative is the reason why JRPGs have been so terrible. You don't care about the characters even though you're investing hours into their life.
I was upset to read Gamespot and other reviews saying this game isn't about Lightning but more about the circumstances going on in her world.
THIS type of narrative is the reason why JRPGs have been so terrible. You don't care about the characters even though you're investing hours into their life.
I'll continue enabling Square Enix by paying full price for their products as long as I enjoy them. Good day sirr.
Caffeine
Member
enabler reporting in perfo views the world in an optomistic manner he should never change.
Review scores are so beyond worthless. It's not just silly but also a bit offensive to boil a game down to a scalar. What's more, brilliance like Nier gets completely overlooked by the public at large. It is, by far, one of the most creative and wonderful games I've ever played. I had nearly never heard of it because its scores kept it out of the public's eye.
(Loved The Last Remnant, too)
SilverArrow20XX
Walks in the Light of the Crystal
Well, fuck. My CE apparently got to my hometown yesterday, but it didn't come in today's mail.
So dramatic.
From all I've seen and heard about LR, it's hardly an atrocity that is simply impossible to gather enjoyment from. It's a compelling spin on the series, with interesting gameplay that's better executed in some places moreso than others, and anyone with the slightest bit of interest in the universe/characters/story will understandably have a higher tolerance for the game's shortcomings. I see nothing destructive about picking up this game, and nor do I see a need to be so judgmental of people's purchasing decisions.
A 68 MC score is not that bad, either. Yes, it's a low for the FF franchise, but let's not pretend LR was going to be anything but controversial.
boredandlazy
Member
Fucking A. I'm completing this trilogy whether some people here like it or not. Although I'm actually quite surprised about how many positive reviews Lightning Returns is getting, maybe it isn't THAT bad?
theprodigy
Member
god damn it Negator, you could have continued the joke train of the FFXIII conspiracy theory
BUT NO
BUT NO
Yeah, this isn't entering the territory of legitimately offensive like, say, Chick-fil-a's choice of charities, it's just a game going in directions some of us really didn't want it to go. So long as you enjoy it who cares, it's not likely this is going to suddenly do CoD numbers and redirect SE's focuses, and even if it did that's better than the mobile F2P/IAP hell they're looking into.
You're right and everyone else is wrong? I agree that the hate towards the 13 series has been a little over the top. But to suggest it's a perfect game is just insane.
or sleeping at 2PM because... I can.