• Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.

LIZARD SQUAD is Back. Planning XBL Attack. "Biggest attack yet". [UP: XBL/PSN Down]

S

Septimius

Junior Member
AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Oh no, compensation should at this point be mandatory to these causes. I understand that this attack wasn't there fault, but it did inconvenience people. Especially on the xmas season. I think a good free week of PS+ is definitely appreciated for the downtime, or even a month. It's not a ridiculous request at all. My time was fucked up, and need something for that time.
Click to expand...

Those posts that say "Man, do something else with your time. Who cares if your PSN is down?!" are stupid, but this is almost as stupid. It did inconvenience people, but nowhere is it stated that the services will be up at all times. You aren't guaranteed that, nor the continued service. I agree that some PS+ time makes sense, and I get that you feel cheated for the time you could have played. It's completely fair to be angry that you can't play, but that's the script-kiddies at Lizard Whatever's fault. Not Sony. You're holding Sony responsible for this. That's not right.
 
SDCowboy

SDCowboy

Member
Septimius said:
Those posts that say "Man, do something else with your time. Who cares if your PSN is down?!" are stupid, but this is almost as stupid. It did inconvenience people, but nowhere is it stated that the services will be up at all times. You aren't guaranteed that, nor the continued service. I agree that some PS+ time makes sense, and I get that you feel cheated for the time you could have played. It's completely fair to be angry that you can't play, but that's the script-kiddies at Lizard Whatever's fault. Not Sony. You're holding Sony responsible for this. That's not right.
Click to expand...

Ultimately the service provider is responsible for their service. Period. Something going wrong doesn't have to be "their fault". It's still falls on the provider. That's not an online gaming thing. That's any business. If I'm doing a project for someone, and someone breaks into my house and steals my computer, even though it's not my fault, I'm ultimately still responsible for the project getting done or not. That's how business works.
 
S

squattingdonkey

Member
I don't think they owe anyone anything for this down time. Obviously we all agreed to it in the TOS. However, this is turning into another situation like they had a few years go, and now we're paying for service. I do think it would be nice if they tossed us a few days for free as a show of good will. This is the absolute worst time of year for them to be down for 3+ days straight. Meh
 
S

soxxx

Banned
Septimius said:
That the terms state that the service may be down. And they are down.
Click to expand...

Exactly, so instead of getting on here and asking for compensation, just don't renew your service, and make sure to tell everyone you know about how bad SONY's service is through word-of-mouth.
 
E

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
If this goes on significantly longer, Sony absolutely needs to provide compensation. Arguing about what's in the ToS is meaningless when their public perception is on the line and Microsoft has shown their backend isn't made of paper mâché and they were able to turn things around much faster.
 
NoMoreTrolls

NoMoreTrolls

Banned
Love how this is being used as a platform for console warriors who don't know a thing about what's happening to shit on the other console.
 
E

EatMyFace

Banned
squattingdonkey said:
I don't think they owe anyone anything for this down time. Obviously we all agreed to it in the TOS. However, this is turning into another situation like they had a few years go, and now we're paying for service. I do think it would be nice if they tossed us a few days for free as a show of good will. This is the absolute worst time of year for them to be down for 3+ days straight. Meh
Click to expand...
Yeah bad timing but then again it's not like they chose this time. They were attacked.

If you're going to be mad at anyone be mad at Lizard Squad.
 
B

bloodreign

Member
SDCowboy said:
Ultimately the service provider is responsible for their service. Period. Something going wrong doesn't have to be "their fault". It's still falls on the provider. That's not an online gaming thing. That's any business. If I'm doing a project for someone, and someone breaks into my house and steals my computer, even though it's not my fault, I'm ultimately still responsible for the project getting done or not. That's how business works.
Click to expand...

This reminds me of Goodfellas. "Fuck you pay me."
 
S

soxxx

Banned
squattingdonkey said:
I don't think they owe anyone anything for this down time. Obviously we all agreed to it in the TOS. However, this is turning into another situation like they had a few years go, and now we're paying for service. I do think it would be nice if they tossed us a few days for free as a show of good will. This is the absolute worst time of year for them to be down for 3+ days straight. Meh
Click to expand...

Its a cyber-terrorist attack, its a criminal offense. It would be like buying a day pass to an amusement park, but the amusement park gets shut down because of some crazy shooter, and then you sit there complaining that you cant go on the roller-coaster....

Its criminal stuff, unfortunately this is how it has to be dealt with. It sucks but in the end, if they can actually manage to track down the perpetrators it will be for the better in the long run.
 
B

Boke1879

Member
enzo_gt said:
If this goes on significantly longer, Sony absolutely needs to provide compensation. Arguing about what's in the ToS is meaningless when their public perception is on the line and Microsoft has shown their backend isn't made of paper mâché and they were able to turn things around much faster.
Click to expand...

Like I said if this goes on into tomorrow evening I'll be looking to sell my PS4 and all it's games and getting an Xbox 1. A PS4 will be purchased down the line when it's cheaper.
 
C

CambriaRising

Member
gregor7777 said:
Little Johnny doesn't give 2 shits. And he shouldn't.

And Little Gregor can't play his PS4. He only gives 1 shit.
Click to expand...

You aren't either one, so you should know better. This situation sucks, but there is more than enough information here and on the internet to understand why these two services are vastly different than one another in terms of scope and capability.

But if you just want to sit here and bang rocks together screaming for a chocolate milk, go ahead.

cyberheater said:
Yeah. I don't have a lot of faith that Sony will implement stronger security.
Click to expand...

DDOS attacks have nothing to do with security.
 
E

EatMyFace

Banned
SDCowboy said:
Ultimately the service provider is responsible for their service. Period. Something going wrong doesn't have to be "their fault". It's still falls on the provider. That's not an online gaming thing. That's any business. If I'm doing a project for someone, and someone breaks into my house and steals my computer, even though it's not my fault, I'm ultimately still responsible for the project getting done or not. That's how business works.
Click to expand...
Exactly. Its like if a girl gets raped is her fault for looking too sexy. Common sense.

As if this needs to be said, this is sarcasm.
 
S

Septimius

Junior Member
SDCowboy said:
Ultimately the service provider is responsible for their service. Period. Something going wrong doesn't have to be "their fault". It's still falls on the provider. That's not an online gaming thing. That's any business. If I'm doing a project for someone, and someone breaks into my house and steals my computer, even though it's not my fault, I'm ultimately still responsible for the project getting done or not. That's how business works.
Click to expand...

This is a weak analogy. A service provider is the ones that need to ensure that their services are running, but they cannot be expected to work no matter what, which is what's being implied, here. A service provider should always go as far as they can to ensure service is guaranteed, but at a point, the cost of 'ensuring' that goes up exponentially compared to its result. As such, you would not be able to pay for their services to always be online, nor should you. Sony can of course not pull money out of its own ass, so they don't have unlimited resources. As such, some discretion should be used in discerning such cases. This is clearly a case of borderline, since there might be ways to deal with this attack faster. Likely that will come into place after this.

It's 10 years since the tsunami in Asia. There were many places and structures that weren't prepared then that are better suited and prepared now. This applies for all such things. You can never block off all contingencies. After something has happened is when that part will be strengthened.

EatMyFace said:
I hate this.

But if this forces Sony to do heavy security upgrades then it's a good thing.
Click to expand...

The nature of DDOS makes it hard to be "better prepared". This isn't really a security thing, though.

HazySaiyan said:
Don't know if this has been posted yet, but have any of you guys heard about this?

http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/27/hacke...x-live-and-playstation-network-users-5001101/
Click to expand...

This is old data and is debunked.

Copen said:
So it specifically states that in the event of a network attack no compensation will be given? Because I'd like to see that.
Click to expand...

No one said that. Their terms state that their services might be down. They are.
 
A

Acorn

Member
CambriaRising said:
You aren't either one, so you should know better. This situation sucks, but there is more than enough information here and on the internet to understand why these two services are vastly different than one another in terms of scope and capability.

But if you just want to sit here and bang rocks together screaming for a chocolate milk, go ahead.
Click to expand...

Both cost the same price (at least here). One doesn't work as often as the other thats all that matters to end user.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Bloomberg: Behind ‘Suicide Squad,’ the Year’s Biggest Video-Game Flop
2 3
131
6K
Shake Your Rump replied
Alleged Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League Leaker Admits They Made Up Parts Of The Plot
News Rumor
4
1K
ManaByte replied
“It’s what the hero Himmel would’ve done” - Frieren fan stops train knife attacker in Taiwan
33
2K
Zathalus replied
Forbes: It No Longer Seems Possible ‘Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League’ Will Last The Year
Opinion 2 3
122
8K
semiconscious replied
  • Locked
Forbes: Suicide Squad: Kill The Justice League's Joker Season Is Unbelievably Bad
Drama Community
6
588
Saber replied
Top Bottom