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LTTP - 3DS, new after price cut 3DS owners share your impressions

Bgamer90 said:
In terms of the 3D, your eyes aren't going to get use to it during your first few times playing the system.

To be honest, I think that's why so many people don't like the 3D effect on the 3DS. They start to get dizzy the first time they use the system and then say "forget this" and just don't use the system's 3D effect anymore (which is understandable).

It takes a few hours of gameplay to get use to the effect and the viewing angle. I've had my 3DS since March and I play most games with the 3D slider almost all the way up since I'm use to the effect & viewing angle.
THIS. A thousand times THIS.
 
I am not a new owner, but I share the experience of a close to launch buyer. The 3D effect at MAX intensity does not make me dizzy and does deliver a sense of depth to the scene that the system's 2D mode cannot deliver (open areas in OoT really come alive in S3D mode with the slider cranked up a bit). The problems with this system's S3D screen are that the effect has an incredibly narrow sweet spot which is really hurting the platform. and that images do sometime suffer from a ghosting/double image problem which is apparently due to the parallax barrier tech itself IIRC.
Also, aliasing in S3D mode becomes a pretty big problem. With AA turned off and halved horizontal resolution, games do suffer. You can test it yourself by switching between S3D off and S3D barely on. Jaggies abound. Foliage in Hyrule field and trees in general are really hurt by the low resolution (amongst the other things). S3D mode does benefit lighting in some way, I think we can appreciate lighting on an apparently real 3D surface more (the little details I mean).
Commercially, I also think that going with a resistive touch screen (bottom touch screen) was a mistake that is hurting the system more than it is helping it.
 
Electivirus said:
If you haven't owned anything since the GBA, it may be worth your while to pick up two 3DS' and spend some time catching up with DS titles while you wait for the big stuff to hit this fall. =d

I'll have to read through the DS recommendation threads, I really want a 3ds to play zelda (i never played the 64 variant, yes you may tear up my 'gamer' card). I know she'd love an advance wars type game, mario kart of course... Probably just have to wait until xmas when some more legit nintendo games come out that we can share =(
 
Branduil said:
How do you download 3D videos to the menu?
You had to download them while they were available on the eShop. They were only available for a limited time, and have since been removed. Sorry. =(
 
Panajev2001a said:
I am not a new owner, but I share the experience of a close to launch buyer. The 3D effect at MAX intensity does not make me dizzy and does deliver a sense of depth to the scene that the system's 2D mode cannot deliver (open areas in OoT really come alive in S3D mode with the slider cranked up a bit). The problems with this system's S3D screen are that the effect has an incredibly narrow sweet spot which is really hurting the platform. and that images do sometime suffer from a ghosting/double image problem which is apparently due to the parallax barrier tech itself IIRC.
Also, aliasing in S3D mode becomes a pretty big problem. With AA turned off and halved horizontal resolution, games do suffer. You can test it yourself by switching between S3D off and S3D barely on. Jaggies abound. Foliage in Hyrule field and trees in general are really hurt by the low resolution (amongst the other things). S3D mode does benefit lighting in some way, I think we can appreciate lighting on an apparently real 3D surface more (the little details I mean).
Commercially, I also think that going with a resistive touch screen (bottom touch screen) was a mistake that is hurting the system more than it is helping it.
changing to 2D doesn't change the resolution, it is 400x 3D or not. I believe it is AA that makes it look better.
 
Tyeforce said:
You had to download them while they were available on the eShop. They were only available for a limited time, and have since been removed. Sorry. =(

cant believe they have taken down the e3 trailers!?!
 
DSN2K said:
cant believe they have taken down the e3 trailers!?!
Yeah, I know, it sucks. My guess is because they're trying to push Nintendo Video instead. Oh well, at least that's another exclusive thing that early 3DS owners get, muahaha!
 
walking fiend said:
changing to 2D doesn't change the resolution, it is 400x 3D or not. I believe it is AA that makes it look better.

The rendering resolution surely does change, 2xAA == good ol' FSAA or downscaling the backbuffer before display.
 
Tyeforce said:
Yeah, I know, it sucks. My guess is because they're trying to push Nintendo Video instead. Oh well, at least that's another exclusive thing that early 3DS owners get, muahaha!

I believe the the main reason for the take down of the videos (and perhaps other content) is to somehow "force" users to check the e-store (or whatever is called) from time to time. I don't know why we don't get updates of the store's content in the notification system, BTW: it seems a rather obvious use of this feature to me.
 
Panajev2001a said:
The rendering resolution surely does change, 2xAA == good ol' FSAA or downscaling the backbuffer before display.

For me, the real deal breaker is the framerate. At the same framerate, I take 3D with jaggies over 2x antialiasing any day of the week. Graphics feel real alive in 3D mode, and pretty lifeless in 2D mode. Now, when you have a game like DoA Dimensions where you have to choose between 30fps in 3D mode or 60fps in 2D mode, I'll gladly take the 60fps.
 
Amir0x said:
I will. Because there is no magical autostereoscopic 3D technology on the 3DS you own that everyone else doesn't, and all current autostereoscopic 3D technology currently has horrendous sweet spot issues. So, it's either you're lying or being extremely disingenuous about what you consider a "good" amount of give. I know which one I think it is.



It's actually not like that at all, but if it's any consolation the award for worst analogy ever has changed from the guy who compared Pitbulls to guns to you now.

Its a problem.

Not as big as you are making out, but yeah its a problem.
 
Yeah... I think Amirox is exaggerating a tinny bit. For me, it took me about 10-15 minutes to get used to it, but now I can adapt to the 3D effect and perfectly see it right off the bat.

It's an issue that you can't see the 3D effect if you're watching from the side, but otherwise it's great imo.
 
kitch9 said:
Its a problem.

Not as big as you are making out, but yeah its a problem.
If you haven't noticed by now, Amir0x apparently enjoys making a mountain out of a molehill so you should take anything he says with a healthy amount of salt because his statements are almost always laced with hyperbole to the point that its overkill.
 
I've just noticed the lines starting to appear on my top screen, they are only smudges atm but unless I purchased a screen protector they will turn into scratches, how on earth did this fault get past quality control?
 
Loonz said:
For me, the real deal breaker is the framerate. At the same framerate, I take 3D with jaggies over 2x antialiasing any day of the week.

I want both... we are not talking about 1080p + S3D + AA. We are talking about a very low resolution framebuffer + no AA... I agree that S3D mode is great and has a lot of added value, but the aliasing is really bad, too bad for what I like to have on portable devices. Nintendo should have pushed for a slightly more capable GPU and deliver AA in S3D mode too.
 
Wow.. I'm definitely happy I got the Flare Red 3DS. The buttons are nice and clicky, the dpad is great, the bottom screen doesn't leave any sort of smudge nor anything on the top screen either. Also, the outside doesn't really get any smudges no matter how long I use it. I had it on my back pocket today wondering if I could get some Miis from other people (only got 1) and every time I took it out to check out. I've not cleaned it once since then, and yet there are no smudges AT ALL.
 
Quick question: Nintendo video downloaded it self onto my 3DS because of my spotpass settings, after messing around with it I decided to delete it because it never interested me. (why would I watch a guy do magic tricks on my 3DS?)

Will it download it self again?
 
Murkas said:
Quick question: Nintendo video downloaded it self onto my 3DS because of my spotpass settings, after messing around with it I decided to delete it because it never interested me. (why would I watch a guy do magic tricks on my 3DS?)

Will it download it self again?
Dunno. I left it near the end of my icons list next to that warning shit. Why Nintendo doesn't let us get rid of these things (and have access to the warning thing from the options icon or something) is something that I don't understand, but oh well..

Anyway, I'd guess you could always download it from the eShop?
 
Mik2121 said:
Dunno. I left it near the end of my icons list next to that warning shit. Why Nintendo doesn't let us get rid of these things (and have access to the warning thing from the options icon or something) is something that I don't understand, but oh well..

Anyway, I'd guess you could always download it from the eShop?

All right, if it does download again I'll just switch off it's streetpass settings and shove it to the end of the icons.

I agree we should be able to delete that shit :(
 
Picked mine up with OoT.

Pros:

- Nice sleek OS interface
- Finally uses MP3s unlike the DSi
- Circlepad feels pretty good. All of the controls feel pretty good.
- The feel and look of the device isn't as bad as I thought. Actually looks great, and I'm not even pissed at the lack of matte finish.
- Being able to access the browser, notepad, etc. during a game or application is awesome!
- Spotpass is pretty cool, downloading things while on the dock by itself.
- AR games and Face raiders are a neat diversion. I would never buy something like this so I guess it's good it came with the device.

Cons:

- Wow, the 3D is shit. And no, it's not that I'm not used to it...it just does not work well. I can't see shit, everything looks muddy in OoT, while on the Home menu, not so much.
- Streetpass is absolutely useless to me. I've gone to University, on the subway, on the bus, to the mall multiple times this week haven't gotten shit. Not giving me much of reason to bring this everywhere I go, Nintendo.
- The e-shop is a joke. Terrible interface and basically nothing to play other than old Gameboy and DSiware games. Yeah, no thanks. It's just as bad as what's happened to the 3DS on the retail front. Doesn't help that Nintendo still hasn't brought 3DS cards here, so even if I want to buy something, I can't. Great job.
- Fuck this 10 coins per day limit. I walk so much everyday, I should be getting a shit tonne of coins. Stop limiting my ability to get your stupid puzzle pieces for the Puzzle Swap, Nintendo.
- Home, Start and Select buttons are too hard to press.
- Not being able to message friends? Seriously? And a friend code again?

Glad I bought this now instead of launch. Don't know how disappointed I would be.
 
Amir0x said:
There is zero difference between utilizing the autostereoscopic 3D screen on the FujiFilm camera and using the one on 3DS. It makes no sense for me to waste even a second once again getting angry at how bad the technology is.

One day in the future when they get some non-shitty autostereoscopic 3D tech into a handheld I'll try it. Until then, it's a waste of time.

To be fair, with the 3DS at least, the 3D effect on the camera is WAY worse than games that are able to specifically render the media in 3D.

I don't know if that would follow over when comparing it to another 3D camera, but yeah.
 
Tyeforce said:
That's a pretty interesting Home screen setup. Mine's kinda boring, it's mostly the default layout, but I like it that way.

First I have all the preinstalled titles, and then downloaded applications and 3D Classics, followed by Virtual Console games (organized by release date). Then there's DSiWare, with applications coming first, then all the games in order of price then release date. And then all the 3D videos are at the end. =p

Regarding the dashboard, it's kinda a very pleasant thing to me. I didn't own an iphone, nor a smartphone ^^", and my Wii dashboard was just the free things with all the Zelda games released.
This time, I have a very heavy dashboard, full of things, and it will be even several pages with the 20 free games!
It's new and very pleasant for me. It also change things: With the GBA and the DS, I quickly left my handhelds at home. Just having one game in there make the thing not very interesting to carry everywhere. I'm not really into portable games in fact, I just buy it for Zelda games and when the new home consoles are here, I mainly play on consoles.
Can possibly be different this time, we will see.
 
Crewnh said:
- Wow, the 3D is shit. And no, it's not that I'm not used to it...it just does not work well. I can't see shit, everything looks muddy in OoT, while on the Home menu, not so much.
You either really need to get used to it, or maybe the effect isn't for you. The 3D effect in OoT works great and it's as "muddy" as the textures themselves are. Turn 3D off, if you don't think it looks muddy anymore, then yeah, you might either need to get used to it, or the 3D effect on the 3DS isn't for you. Many of us really like the effect, and it's actually fairly crisp. Definitely miles ahead of the N64 look.

Crewnh said:
Not being able to message friends? Seriously? And a friend code again?
Yep. The Friend Code thing is absolutely stupid. But this is Nintendo, so you shouldn't even be surprised. At least it's one universal code, so it's not as bad.. As for not being able to message friends, I believe someone at Nintendo said they were working on an update and being able to chat online (text chat) / send messages was something they were looking into, or something similar to that.


Also, damn.. you guys still don't have the point cards? Here where I live (JPN), the Nintendo cards work for Wii, DSi and 3DS. You guys don't have the point cards for Wii either then, I guess?


Anyway, enjoy your new handheld!. Much better games are coming soon (Mario Kart and the next Mario platformer both coming this year). I've not been keeping up with the 3DS AT ALL until.. two days ago when I bought it. I also bought it with OoT and got my hands on Excitebike too.

I wonder what 'big' titles are coming this year. Nintendo definitely dropped the ball on the software support for these few months.. hopefully they do better starting with the next Mario game.
 
Mik2121 said:
You either really need to get used to it, or maybe the effect isn't for you. The 3D effect in OoT works great and it's as "muddy" as the textures themselves are. Turn 3D off, if you don't think it looks muddy anymore, then yeah, you might either need to get used to it, or the 3D effect on the 3DS isn't for you. Many of us really like the effect, and it's actually fairly crisp. Definitely miles ahead of the N64 look.
Muddy isn't how I'd describe it but there's quite a bit of ghosting in OOT3D. Especially in certain parts with high contrast. I believe it was a flaw of the technology itself rather than the game because Ridge Racer 3D suffers from it as well. (bright colored cars against darker backgrounds for example).
 
Crewnh said:
- Wow, the 3D is shit. And no, it's not that I'm not used to it...it just does not work well. I can't see shit, everything looks muddy in OoT, while on the Home menu, not so much.

Sounds like it's just you/your eyes.

It works REAL well.
 
Mik2121 said:
Nintendo definitely dropped the ball on the software support for these few months.. hopefully they do better starting with the next Mario game.
From what I've heard they did that because they wanted to give the third party developers a chance. Nintendo titles always sells more and could kill off third party games if released at the same time. But what did the third party devs do? They just rushed out simple stripped down ports of their popular console games, or simply did nothing at all and just waited for the console to sell more.
 
Bgamer90 said:
Sounds like it's just you/your eyes.

It works REAL well.
Mik2121 said:
You either really need to get used to it, or maybe the effect isn't for you. The 3D effect in OoT works great and it's as "muddy" as the textures themselves are. Turn 3D off, if you don't think it looks muddy anymore, then yeah, you might either need to get used to it, or the 3D effect on the 3DS isn't for you. Many of us really like the effect, and it's actually fairly crisp. Definitely miles ahead of the N64 look.
I wear glasses. I don't know, maybe I am the problem. But if it's not working for me and giving me no added benefit for playing a game, I'm obviously going to consider it shit. Good that you guys can see it though.

Yep. The Friend Code thing is absolutely stupid. But this is Nintendo, so you shouldn't even be surprised. At least it's one universal code, so it's not as bad.. As for not being able to message friends, I believe someone at Nintendo said they were working on an update and being able to chat online (text chat) / send messages was something they were looking into, or something similar to that.
Yeah, if there is a silver lining, this is hopefully the only code we'll ever see. It's still really lame they brought it back. Hope they get on the message update cause that friends list is kind of useless apart from telling me what people's "favourite game is".

Also, damn.. you guys still don't have the point cards? Here where I live (JPN), the Nintendo cards work for Wii, DSi and 3DS. You guys don't have the point cards for Wii either then, I guess?
We have Wii point cards. I don't know why we don't have 3DS cards yet.

Don't get me wrong, as much things I take issue with the device I still like it and am glad I bought it now. I am really excited for upcoming titles like Mario Land. I really do hope the future of the 3DS is a bright one.
 
AzureNightmare said:
If you haven't noticed by now, Amir0x apparently enjoys making a mountain out of a molehill so you should take anything he says with a healthy amount of salt because his statements are almost always laced with hyperbole to the point that its overkill.

I thought he never even used it?

Even so, it's a bunch of hyperbole because auto-scopic sweet zones are going to vary depending on each person's physiology. So for him to say his measurements are facts and everyone else is a liar is pretty ridiculous.

Assuming he's actually tried the 3D, and assuming he has a very narrow margin, he could have a physical makeup that's on the extreme narrow side. And the previous poster could have the optimum eye width distance and be on the widest window side.

You could argue about how beneficial 3D really is on a 3 inch screen (when 3D craves big screens because of the phenomenon of making things seem smaller in 3D) or numerous other points. But he takes pride in hating 3D. So I can only assume, like many, he doesn't see it in an optimum way. Because 3D on a large screen is fantastic. And he hates 3D on principal. Which I find odd. Because as a fellow graphics whore, I find 3D to be a great natural evolution.
 
Yeah, if there is a silver lining, this is hopefully the only code we'll ever see. It's still really lame they brought it back. Hope they get on the message update cause that friends list is kind of useless apart from telling me what people's "favourite game is".

The worst part of it, for many people, is the way it is implemented. If I add some people as 3DS friends, I also have to personally e-mail them to tell them that I did so, because the 3DS will not even advise those users that I added them. Long numeric code + no invite notification + two way invitation system = 90's called and they think it's stupid. If you want to protect children put the friends system and its features under a form of parental control (with a certain granularity).
 
To the first poster looking for a great "pick up and play" game. Pilotwings Resort is your answer. The missions are all about 2-3 mins each...and it's fun to try and improve your scores. Very fun in small doses.
 
My impressions:

1) I love the store. There's already so many great games available for it and the thing has only been available for a few months. I can see that the bulk of my use for the device will likely come from this service, much like the Wii.

2) 3D does not impress me at all. I've never been a graphics whore and I've never been one to fawn over other gimmicks that don't enhance gameplay in any real way. So yeah, not impressed one bit. I mean, it's nice. But I honestly prefer to play it without the 3D.

3) also, if you've never played 'Donkey Kong' or 'Mario's Picross' before now, do it.

How is the Tetris game that's up on the online shop, btw? I really, really want GB Tetris, but I'm not sure how realistic that would be.
 
Crewnh said:
I wear glasses. I don't know, maybe I am the problem. But if it's not working for me and giving me no added benefit for playing a game, I'm obviously going to consider it shit. Good that you guys can see it though.

Yeah again, I wasn't trying to come across as saying that you are wrong. The 3D effect works in different ways for different people (obviously).

I wear glasses too I think that the 3D effect is good.
 
Man the bottom of the system scratches very easily. I'm tempted to put some rubber feet on the bottom.

Screen protector application seems to have gone worse than I imagined. Lots of smudges I can't rub off because they're on the underside. I'll see how long I can love with it.
 
Hey, is there a way to change my nickname for my Friend List profile thing?

The account system on this thing is just awful. Apparently I have...

- My 3DS account
- My eShop account
- My Friend List account? When I change my nickname on my 3DS it doesn't change on my Friend List profile thing.

I guess the first Mii I made (my own) is the one connected to my account right? So if I change it, it should show up on my profile right?
 
So I have a really squeaky, loose hinge and the top screen is constantly marked by the bottom. Am I better off calling up Nintendo? Will I lose my Ambassadorship if they have to replace my system?
 
Which version of dk is the to buy version? All I see is the gameboy one. As an ambassador would I be better off waiting for the free version of dk?
 
chubigans said:
So I have a really squeaky, loose hinge and the top screen is constantly marked by the bottom. Am I better off calling up Nintendo? Will I lose my Ambassadorship if they have to replace my system?

Call them and find out.
 
thirty said:
Which version of dk is the to buy version? All I see is the gameboy one. As an ambassador would I be better off waiting for the free version of dk?

The Game Boy version. It's the best game with the words "Donkey Kong" in the title ever made.
 
Mik2121 said:
- My 3DS account
- My eShop account
- My Friend List account? When I change my nickname on my 3DS it doesn't change on my Friend List profile thing.

I have no idea what you mean by "3DS Account"... here's what's on the 3DS, "account" wise.

1. Friend List, consisting of
a) Your Mii. This is your primary character for the system. It is also the Mii appearing on your Friend list as yourself. Changing any element of your primary Mii will change your appearance/name in the friend list.
b) Your 3DS friend code, which links other 3DS owners to you.

2. eShop -- which isn't an "account" of any particular meaning, but you can link it to your Club Nintendo account.

The only "account" is really your Club Nintendo account, used just for registering games and getting goodies. Your friend code links your system to other systems. Anything else is just local 3DS settings.

Edit: Okay, I realize your confusion now... the 3DS "Nickname" is used as a display name when doing DS/3DS Download play. I think it's primarily DS/DSi focused, and thus included for backwards compatibility.
 
By 3DS account I guess I meant when you turn on the 3DS for the first time and it asks you your nickname. I think I put that one in Japanese (I live in JPN and I was with my gf at the time so I decided to go with my nickname in katakana) and apparently that got applied on what shows up on my card when I go to the friend list thing. And seeing how a big percentage of my 3DS friends will probably be from GAF, having a nickname in a language most can't read isn't the best thing ever.

Do you know where/how can I change it?

Also, I take it this friend list is 'locked' on this 3DS right? So if I get another 3DS I'd have to add all my friends again..


See, Nintendo has the Club Nintendo account (I already had one so I just went and used that one) and yet they don't use it for anything else... makes you wonder what are they doing over at whatever department thinks of/creates the online functionalities..
 
Anyone know what happens if we fill the home screen with games? How is it possible to clean the fridge if everything is being saved on the SD card as it is......I'm worried!
 
Mik2121 said:
By 3DS account I guess I meant when you turn on the 3DS for the first time and it asks you your nickname. I think I put that one in Japanese (I live in JPN and I was with my gf at the time so I decided to go with my nickname in katakana) and apparently that got applied on what shows up on my card when I go to the friend list thing. And seeing how a big percentage of my 3DS friends will probably be from GAF, having a nickname in a language most can't read isn't the best thing ever.
Strange -- my card displays my Mii's name. I've changed it and my Friend List card changes to match it. Are you sure you're changing the FIRST Mii you made?

Also, I take it this friend list is 'locked' on this 3DS right? So if I get another 3DS I'd have to add all my friends again..
It's locked to the 3DS profile. The profile is supposed to be transferable to another 3DS once Nintendo releases the firmware update -- 3DS transfer support is already in the system options, but only DSi -> 3DS transfers are currently available.

See, Nintendo has the Club Nintendo account (I already had one so I just went and used that one) and yet they don't use it for anything else... makes you wonder what are they doing over at whatever department thinks of/creates the online functionalities..
Club Nintendo is only used for system/game registration. At the moment, it has no connection to online gaming. Each 3DS is essentially a single "account", although the account is locked to the hardware (for the moment, at least.)
 
DavidDayton said:
Strange -- my card displays my Mii's name. I've changed it and my Friend List card changes to match it. Are you sure you're changing the FIRST Mii you made?


It's locked to the 3DS profile. The profile is supposed to be transferable to another 3DS once Nintendo releases the firmware update -- 3DS transfer support is already in the system options, but only DSi -> 3DS transfers are currently available.


Club Nintendo is only used for system/game registration. At the moment, it has no connection to online gaming. Each 3DS is essentially a single "account", although the account is locked to the hardware (for the moment, at least.)
Oh! Ok, I didn't know it was my Mii's name. I will change it there later, then :P

I was changing my DS Nickname thing, durrr... :P

(I've had the 3DS for only two days..)
 
Kato said:
Like I said; It suits you.

Resorting to calling people liars over and over again. It's your modus operandi tested carefully years ago, became an annoying quirk in its present form. No matter what the point of discussion is..If it differs it's a lie. And when you run out of heaps of text, which oddly enough you think gives you some weight in a discussion, just to try and get your point across you just call people liars. No matter what kind of discussion rises; When somebody refutes or neutralizes your points you call it a lie. It must be a wonderful life to always be right and having the freedom to enforce it , no?

The real kicker is. I DO play with the slider all the way up. So after hours of play this horrendous sweet spot you speak of is not horrendous at all. But hey what do I know, right? I just played the 3DS since day one in 3D after all and me as well as others here; We lie our asses off just to spite you.

Don't give yourself that much credit mate.

This is the only subject I've ever called anyone a liar over involving games (I've called people liars for certain topics that they made in OT where they were clearly lying; so far in each case I was proven right)... so now we have a clear example of you making shit up to try to make yourself feel better. If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck, right?

I know the inherent limitations in the technology. So it's lying or being disingenuous about the amount of "give" you consider good. There's no other option.
 
Crewnh said:
I wear glasses. I don't know, maybe I am the problem. But if it's not working for me and giving me no added benefit for playing a game, I'm obviously going to consider it shit. Good that you guys can see it though.
With my contacts in, the 3D is great.

But when I switch to my glasses, not so much.
 
I will say that the 3D effect, for most people, will probably wow at first glance, annoy during early usage, then settle into a "comfort zone." I keep the 3D on full most of the time now, adjusting only in instances where high contrast leads to ghosting. Zelda has this a lot, sadly...

Also, in case anyone was unclear on this, the 3D slider increases/decreases the amount of depth in the image.
 
My guess is that this will be the last traditional games-only handheld from Nintendo. Hell, even Nintendo seems to not have much faith in it. I think this is one case where the world has moved on, and Nintendo needs to play catch-up.

There's no reason why Nintendo couldn't create an Xperia Play-like product. And for some of their Wario Ware type games, they could probably release them on existing iOS and Android products, too. With all the middleware and abstraction stuff available now, there is little reason to stick with one product now. There is a lot of opportunity out there for Nintendo to be a fantastic software developer for existing mobile devices, and they are failing to change with these times.
 
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