Concept art from Monolith Soft's website circa 2011 when they were hiring staff for upcoming projects~
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434018
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LTTP: Baten Kaitos Origins
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Concept art from Monolith Soft's website circa 2011 when they were hiring staff for upcoming projects~
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434018
I need a Baten Kaitos III too :<
whyamihere
Banned
Yeah it's pretty heavily implied that Melodia is Sagi and Milly's kid (also, her hair at the end of BK1)
Geldoblame went crazy after Verus's rejection, and then became who he was in BK1.
Dark Brethern and Wiseman are never really explained. WE NEED A THIRD GAME.
Geldoblame went crazy after Verus's rejection, and then became who he was in BK1.
Dark Brethern and Wiseman are never really explained. WE NEED A THIRD GAME.
Starwolf_UK
Member
I think a lot of Baten Kaitos things are left for the player to fill in. This can lead to problems with say the wikia which contains a fair bit of unmarked speculation.
Regarding Hassaleh it's existence can be taken to mean there are main continents but also small islands. In fact for a small piece of trivia the rather similar Celesial Alps in the first game are actually a pretty good match for the chunk of Hassaleh that got severed implying they were one and the same.
Wiseman taught humans how open the wings of heart that much is said from the dialogue. Given his immense power it is likely he become some sort of pure magnus form in order to fully open his wings. The promagnation Wiseman would would carry out (wiping out entire towns and a willing daily sacrifice in his shrine) serves as interesting contrast to what Baelheit was doing with promachination (he also used brute force but had people willing to give up their wings) in the spiritualism vs. materialism sense.
The malpercio stuff I don't think really has a good explanation. I suppose the end magnus can leak power (or didn't quite seal everything away to begin with) and then artifically or naturally possess people, animals or plants which awaken as afterlings in times of great emotion.
The are minor deviations to the ending if you took out the three machina arma in a specific way
I assumed the Dark Brethern could have been some sort of tribe like the Children of the Earth although they seem more like demons with offering pacts in exchange for power.
The Baiten Kaitos games are like an older RPGs in that disc 2 have quite a few optional sidequests with the most obvious ones being *character's* story.
Regarding Hassaleh it's existence can be taken to mean there are main continents but also small islands. In fact for a small piece of trivia the rather similar Celesial Alps in the first game are actually a pretty good match for the chunk of Hassaleh that got severed implying they were one and the same.
Wiseman taught humans how open the wings of heart that much is said from the dialogue. Given his immense power it is likely he become some sort of pure magnus form in order to fully open his wings. The promagnation Wiseman would would carry out (wiping out entire towns and a willing daily sacrifice in his shrine) serves as interesting contrast to what Baelheit was doing with promachination (he also used brute force but had people willing to give up their wings) in the spiritualism vs. materialism sense.
The malpercio stuff I don't think really has a good explanation. I suppose the end magnus can leak power (or didn't quite seal everything away to begin with) and then artifically or naturally possess people, animals or plants which awaken as afterlings in times of great emotion.
The are minor deviations to the ending if you took out the three machina arma in a specific way
letting the pilots survive
I assumed the Dark Brethern could have been some sort of tribe like the Children of the Earth although they seem more like demons with offering pacts in exchange for power.
The Baiten Kaitos games are like an older RPGs in that disc 2 have quite a few optional sidequests with the most obvious ones being *character's* story.
whyamihere
Banned
Oh and it's quite obvious now that Lyude is a bastard.
Yes. It's heavily implied he was in love with Verus ("My My Verus Scrapbook" lol). Verus threw him away ("You were once beautiful, but not anymore"), so he essentially went mad.
Wiseman is essentially an evil wizard from the past. His philosophy is basically the same as Milly's father, only reversed. I guess he's there to show you need balance in things.
The Dark brethren are basically a bunch of devils, but the game doesn't give you many infos. Curiously enough, they were already reference in BK1 (I don't think they had the story in mind at that point, especially because the games have different writers IIRC, but it still is noteworthy)
Yeah, that's a hole. Most people assume they became the Celestial Alps.
Yes, they even bothered to give Sagi the same hairs as non-possessed Melodia.
It's probably worth rewatching BK1's ending with Origin's knowledge in mind. (Gosh, was the dub bad)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYQUpQlSR2E
theofficefan99
Junior Member
I've always wondered: the opening of Baten Kaitos had good voice acting. WTF happened to the rest of the game? It sounds like it wasn't just compression that was the culprit, either.
From what I remember and read back then
- Geldoblame was apparently involved in a romantic relationship with Verus, he loved and revered him so much than when he was discarded he just lost his purpose in life. Then out of nowhere he is asked to be emperor, out of spite and hate he just turns a bit mad
- Wiseman and dark brethren are malevolent entities more or less, the Wiseman lives by draining people's spirits and so he does.
Dark brethren were sealed in the past as you saw, they can only infuse you with malefic power in exchange of your souls which is what the Malpercio group did
What happened with Malpercio is that the group of five retained part of their will and humanity until Baten Kaitos Origins because what drove them and gives them power was their hate for the Wiseman, once he is killed by Sagi their souls are finally put to rest and thus what remains in the End magnus is only the power of the Dark Brethren, hate and rage without a shred of humanity
I can't remember the exact list of characters missing from Origins to the first BK, maybe a few (Palolo and the Hassaleh part?) but I wouldn't sayt a lot.
Melodia is 100% the child of Sagi and Milliarde, remember her hair when she comes back in the end, remember where she was born and by who she was raised, also remember she was linked to Malpercio because her father had a part of Malpercio sealed in him, she probably had some remnants of it (the bad part, because tragedy is so much better) inside her. It also fits with her parents death and Sagi&Milliarde being nowhere to be seen in Baten Kaitos
It's pretty sad really, in the end they died by a random disease, leaving an infant that turned mad because of her father's heritage and ended up resurecting what was left of Malpercio.
The end of Baten Kaitos also hints that both Xelha Melodia understood what was Malpercio, feeling sorry for "him" and being relieved that he is finally able to dissapear.
whyamihere
Banned
good lord.
Concept art from Monolith Soft's website circa 2011 when they were hiring staff for upcoming projects~
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=434018
BELIEVE!
I need a Baten Kaitos III too :<
I used that and a fake website to pull an April Fools Day prank a couple years ago.
Oh yeah forgot to mention that Baelheit's spirit is most likely
You are a cruel person :<
Good thing I didn't see that back then, after that there were a lot of others artworks used for recruitment by Monolith that also remain "unused" in term of games as far as we know.
There was a third Baten Kaitos on preprod at some point (on DS), but considering the commercial failure of the IP it's no wonder it was cancelled/not greenlighted.
the spirit of the player in Baten Kaitos as well
You are a cruel person :<
Good thing I didn't see that back then, after that there were a lot of others artworks used for recruitment by Monolith that also remain "unused" in term of games as far as we know.
There was a third Baten Kaitos on preprod at some point (on DS), but considering the commercial failure of the IP it's no wonder it was cancelled/not greenlighted.
We all do man, we all do!
Baten Kaitos Origins is one the best RPG ever, better than the first one : better story, better characters and voice-acting, better dungeons and level-design (with a better use of the Quest Magnus), better battle system (it is still very good in the first game). It's an incredible RPG. The backgrounds are as magnificent as in the first game. There is just the music which is a little better in the first game.
But it is very important to play the first Baten Kaitos before, because there is a lot of references to the first game and they are important to appreciate more the characters and the story elements in Origins. Besides, I think Baten Katos Origins manages to make the first Baten Kaitos better than before, because it gave me a new look about the characters and the events of the very first Baten Kaitos (the first time I played Baten Kaitos 1, I thought the story and the characters weren't so good and were too "cliched", but I was wrong). It's rare that a prequel or a sequel manages to make the first game better than before, and that it is even better than the fist game.
Edit : I don't know if I am alone, but I think Xenoblade 2 feels like "Xenoblade meets Baten Kaitos", because this new Monolith game takes place again in "celestial islands" (although these islands are alive in Xenoblade 2). But it's a very good point for me. ^^
But it is very important to play the first Baten Kaitos before, because there is a lot of references to the first game and they are important to appreciate more the characters and the story elements in Origins. Besides, I think Baten Katos Origins manages to make the first Baten Kaitos better than before, because it gave me a new look about the characters and the events of the very first Baten Kaitos (the first time I played Baten Kaitos 1, I thought the story and the characters weren't so good and were too "cliched", but I was wrong). It's rare that a prequel or a sequel manages to make the first game better than before, and that it is even better than the fist game.
Edit : I don't know if I am alone, but I think Xenoblade 2 feels like "Xenoblade meets Baten Kaitos", because this new Monolith game takes place again in "celestial islands" (although these islands are alive in Xenoblade 2). But it's a very good point for me. ^^
Yes. Unreasonably so.
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[img]http://68.media.tumblr.com/e5a6acc3b23f8b0e367b618af178ff76/tumblr_nm3jefzzuM1r0kr7vo1_500.jpg[/img]What's annoying is that I'll make something up (such as yuri manga Citrus getting an anime adaptation, or Lyn being announced for Fire Emblem Warriors) only for it to come true months later.
Starwolf_UK
Member
So the PAL Version of the first Baten Kaitos was 50Hz only and had the in-game clock converted to 50 frames=1 second (which that and a bit of FMV might be why it was 50Hz only) and speedrunner BAFFAN says it is a good conversion and your main timeloss in running is being unable to skip Mizuti's song costing you about 90 seconds.
Of course that kind of PAL conversion is another reason to add the pile of why PAL Origins never happened (PAL60 only games had been released so you can argue no) though I think the financial non-viability of releasing a localised Gamecube game in 2007 (and one that hardly sold in US or Japan) is the main reason.
Anyway speaking of regional differences the cutting room floor goes into details (plus some unused dialogue):
https://tcrf.net/Baten_Kaitos_Origins#Regional_Differences
Interesting some magnus graphics were not changed because that seems to be the bulk of changes mades to Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean.
Of course that kind of PAL conversion is another reason to add the pile of why PAL Origins never happened (PAL60 only games had been released so you can argue no) though I think the financial non-viability of releasing a localised Gamecube game in 2007 (and one that hardly sold in US or Japan) is the main reason.
Anyway speaking of regional differences the cutting room floor goes into details (plus some unused dialogue):
https://tcrf.net/Baten_Kaitos_Origins#Regional_Differences
Interesting some magnus graphics were not changed because that seems to be the bulk of changes mades to Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean.