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[DeaconKnowledge]

I have watched the show many times. And I still stand by that assessment. AND I've actually said this about the character back around Season 2 (as I was watching it live), so it's not like I just saw the final season, and came to that conclusion.

I actually thought it was baffling how people were still morally rooting for Walt even into Season 4. I thought the shows intention with the character was pretty clear into Season 2. But just me. Anyways, I'll admit that I might be making it too black and white. Like, maybe Walt's initial motivation was providing for his family. Okay. But there were plenty of points in the story early on, where he could have walked away.

And IMO they showed us a lot of little things with Walt (even back in Season 1), where he was getting off on doing what he was doing. Where he was getting thrills from it, and that was an addiction for Walt.

SO if you want to argue that Walt was doing it for family, for like a month..okay. Maybe you can sell me on that. But IMO that motivation was quickly corrupted. But I still think that it could be argued that deep down, the idea of cooking meth, and being an outlaw was appealing to Walt on a very visceral level.

Things don't work that way. There isn't some switch that disables "doing it for family" x amount of months in.

Walt was doing it for his family. That seed was planted in episode 1. What happened was that initial desire to provide was warped and twisted over the months and years. It never left; it just got shoved to the rear for the sake his greater ambitions, which consumed him. It's a classic villain story - the best intentions thwarted by ambition and a lust for power.

 

[Frost_Ace]

Yeah of course, because

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Walt really froze to death in his car, and it was all a final dream where he died and got everything he wanted.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Just finished the first season again. I never rewatch a movie or show so close to when I finish it. I think the only other time recently I can remember doing that was The Avengers but I waited a couple months or more before rewatching. I'm rewatchig BB episodes only after about a week or two. Really think the next time I have a lot of cash to spare, I'm buying the series on Blu-ray or DVD.

 

[Neko Godot]

Great show, but I hated how the opening of season 4 killed all the momentum built up after season 3. Box Cutter was a phenomenal episode, but the next 3 episodes after just stall and kind of reiterate the same points over and over again (Walt getting more frustrated with Gus, Jesse's house party of doom, etc). Vince obviously wanted Face Off to be the end of the season, but I think having the Mike and Jesse team happen earlier in, say, episode 3 of the season would have paced the first half much better. That could have put Face Off at around episode 11, and the last 2 episodes could have set up season five nicely. But eh, I like playing Armchair Showrunner after the fact.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Great show, but I hated how the opening of season 4 killed all the momentum built up after season 3. Box Cutter was a phenomenal episode, but the next 3 episodes after just stall and kind of reiterate the same points over and over again (Walt getting more frustrated with Gus, Jesse's house party of doom, etc). Vince obviously wanted Face Off to be the end of the season, but I think having the Mike and Jesse team happen earlier in, say, episode 3 of the season would have paced the first half much better. That could have put Face Off at around episode 11, and the last 2 episodes could have set up season five nicely. But eh, I like playing Armchair Showrunner after the fact.

Ya know, it reminds me. There was only one "bad" (as in, it was still good but the one I liked least) episode in the whole series and that was "Fly".

 

[Mononoke]

Things don't work that way. There isn't some switch that disables "doing it for family" x amount of months in.

Walt was doing it for his family. That seed was planted in episode 1. What happened was that initial desire to provide was warped and twisted over the months and years. It never left; it just got shoved to the rear for the sake his greater ambitions, which consumed him. It's a classic villain story - the best intentions thwarted by ambition and a lust for power.

We can just agree to disagree. Because I really believe Walt from the very beginning, got thrills from doing what he was doing. When he saw that raid on TV and saw the drug dealer making all that money. When he went on the ride along and saw his ex student cooking meth. I do not think his 100% motivation was purely for family. I think deep down, he really got off on doing something that gave him control. It was the idea that he could do it better than anyone else, and could finally kick back at the system.

I do think Walt initially was using his family as a justification for what he was doing. That I agree with. But I don't agree that Walt deep down, was doing it purely for family. Because he had other options for his family. He many times early on to walk away. I can agree with you that, Walt at one point, was motivated to provide for his family. Sure. But I think at a certain point very early on, he moved past that. I would argue for the majority of the show, it was not about his family. I would say even going back to Season 2.

 

[Jay Sosa]

Ya know, it reminds me. There was only one "bad" (as in, it was still good but the one I liked least) episode in the whole series and that was "Fly".

couldn't disagree more.

oh and btw..jesus christ some of you take TV shows way too serious. This isn't science, just entertainment.

 

[Neko Godot]

Ya know, it reminds me. There was only one "bad" (as in, it was still good but the one I liked least) episode in the whole series and that was "Fly".

Eh, in my opinion the biggest problem with Fly is that 4 Days Out is just a more entertaining episode with a similar premise.

 

[Mononoke]

Ya know, it reminds me. There was only one "bad" (as in, it was still good but the one I liked least) episode in the whole series and that was "Fly".

Funny, considering many fans/critics think the Fly is the best episode in the entire series. To me, the only "bad episode" in the show, was maybe the one where Marie goes house shopping, and steals things. It's not bad per se, but it's a very slow episode that kind of grates. Although I understand WHY the episode exists, and how it fleshes out the character (especially when you consider where Hank is at, in this part of the story). But I think that episode is much worse than The Fly (which I personally loved).

 

[Darkmakaimura]

This isn't science, just entertainment.

Hey, we're all geeks here. I can't speak for everyone, but I love discussing and researching works of fiction I'm a fan of.

 

[Maintenance]

I loved the series, but did not hate Skyler like most people do. I really hate Winona, though (from Justified). She's a real bitch.

 

[Olaf]

I got into this show late too and while it was good, I found it fairly overrated.

The way everyone I know talked about it, I was expecting the greatest TV Show since TV went colour. It basically took until Season 4 to actually get going. I also found all the characters except Walt to be incredibly inconsistent. Did the writers just not know how to handle everyone?

Skylar was basically bipolar for all intents and purposes
Jessie was a half wit, then a bad ass, then a whiny bitch, then a boss, then a baby again and then a boss.
Gustavo was this ultra careful, meticulous drug lord who just suddenly throws all that out the window
Hank just suddenly crumbles for the entire second half of the series with no clear explanation why

Like I said, I liked it overall, but I just didn't enjoy it as much as most seemed to.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I got into this show late too and while it was good, I found it fairly overrated.

The way everyone I know talked about it, I was expecting the greatest TV Show since TV went colour. It basically took until Season 4 to actually get going. I also found all the characters except Walt to be incredibly inconsistent. Did the writers just not know how to handle everyone?

Skylar was basically bipolar for all intents and purposes
Jessie was a half wit, then a bad ass, then a whiny bitch, then a boss, then a baby again and then a boss.
Gustavo was this ultra careful, meticulous drug lord who just suddenly throws all that out the window
Hank just suddenly crumbles for the entire second half of the series with no clear explanation why

Like I said, I liked it overall, but I just didn't enjoy it as much as most seemed to.

Like you, I got into the show late as well. While I didn't think it was going to be awful, I went in not expecting to like it too much. It just didn't seem like my cup of tea.

I don't think to this day I have ever thought that something not only lived up to the hype, but actually far exceeded what I expected. I never would think I would end up in the Breaking Bad fan club but was I ever wrong. I'd go out on a limb to say that I believe this might be the best TV show I've ever seen. Only Fringe gets close. I now understand why people in love with this show and even hold mock funerals and the like.

As for the inconsistencies, I didn't really feel that way at all. The characters are more realistic then most movies/tv shows I've seen. The dialogue is very natural and even the way it's filmed just feels authentic. I think the characters change and grow in a way that, to me, feels very real. Whatever problems I have with the show are nitpicky at best - for instance, I do think the machine gun in the trunk felt a little off in this show.

I'm worried Better Call Saul might not even closely live up to its predecessor but you know, I'll be there just because it's the BB universe and it has Mike!

 

[Loke13]

Skylar was basically bipolar for all intents and purposes
Jessie was a half wit, then a bad ass, then a whiny bitch, then a boss, then a baby again and then a boss.
Gustavo was this ultra careful, meticulous drug lord who just suddenly throws all that out the window
Hank just suddenly crumbles for the entire second half of the series with no clear explanation why

I feel like you just skimmed through the episodes while paying as little attention to them as possible because all your complaints are explained in the show and to classify Jesse's deteriorating mental state over the course of the series as him being "whiny"seems to highlight that.

 

[Draconian]

Surprised how many of the "Skyler did nothing wrong" crowd just gloss over her telling Walt to kill Jesse. I like to think that Walt's plans to make her blameless failed and she spent a good amount of time behind bars after the show. Also, I'm not a fan of Anna Gunn either. She only has two or three emotional expressions and is badly outacted by Cranston in every scene they're in together.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

Where is this "Skyler did nothing wrong" "crowd"?

 

[zma1013]

Surprised how many of the "Skyler did nothing wrong" crowd just gloss over her telling Walt to kill Jesse. I like to think that Walt's plans to make her blameless failed and she spent a good amount of time behind bars after the show. Also, I'm not a fan of Anna Gunn either. She only has two or three emotional expressions and is badly outacted by Cranston in every scene they're in together.

I disagree, I thought she was a great companion actor for Cranston's character. That expression she makes in Crawl Space just sells that scene just as much as Walts crazy demeanor.

Skylar was basically bipolar for all intents and purposes
Jessie was a half wit, then a bad ass, then a whiny bitch, then a boss, then a baby again and then a boss.
Gustavo was this ultra careful, meticulous drug lord who just suddenly throws all that out the window
Hank just suddenly crumbles for the entire second half of the series with no clear explanation why

Did you just not pay attention when you were watching? Were you Gaffing while watching the show out of the corner of your eye? All of those things are carefully and meticulously explained in wonderful detail. Some of them even beat you over the head with it. You really can't see why Hank crumbles? Really? A blind person can see it.

 

[Frost_Ace]

Surprised how many of the "Skyler did nothing wrong" crowd just gloss over her telling Walt to kill Jesse. I like to think that Walt's plans to make her blameless failed and she spent a good amount of time behind bars after the show. Also, I'm not a fan of Anna Gunn either. She only has two or three emotional expressions and is badly outacted by Cranston in every scene they're in together.

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if you watch her last scene with Walt in the finale, it's basically implied she won't use the ticket as a leverage

 

[Fezzan]

I got into this show late too and while it was good, I found it fairly overrated.

The way everyone I know talked about it, I was expecting the greatest TV Show since TV went colour. It basically took until Season 4 to actually get going. I also found all the characters except Walt to be incredibly inconsistent. Did the writers just not know how to handle everyone?

Skylar was basically bipolar for all intents and purposes
Jessie was a half wit, then a bad ass, then a whiny bitch, then a boss, then a baby again and then a boss.
Gustavo was this ultra careful, meticulous drug lord who just suddenly throws all that out the window
Hank just suddenly crumbles for the entire second half of the series with no clear explanation why

Like I said, I liked it overall, but I just didn't enjoy it as much as most seemed to.

This is correct if you watched one episode of every season.

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if you watch her last scene with Walt in the finale, it's basically implied she won't use the ticket as a leverage

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Really? I think she does

 

[Frost_Ace]

This is correct if you watched one episode of every season.

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Really? I think she does

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When Walt gives her the ticket and says "get yourself out of this" she starts crying and shaking her head, and then Walts says "I did it for me" (to convince her it's not her fault what happened) at that point she looks at the ticket and nods but then looks at him and shakes her head once again

 

[PK Gaming]

I think it was about his family in that, he justified his actions to himself using the family angle. But deep down he was doing it for himself. He was tired of being pushed around in life, and got a thrill from taking control, and being the best at something. SO I don't really think it was ever about his family, I don't. I think him providing for his family was the excuse he gave himself, that allowed him to do things he knew was bad. But I don't think he ever was PURELY doing it for his family.

It was a motivator, and an excuse. But it wasn't what was driving him. I think that was the revelation of Heisenberg in the end of the show. What Walt finally accepted.

Damn straight.

Walt: Everything I do is for the family.
Skylar: If I have to hear that one more time...!

Walt awakening to his true Persona finally admitting that he built a drug empire for himself, and not for his family, was the single best scene in Breaking Bad.

Things don't work that way. There isn't some switch that disables "doing it for family" x amount of months in.

Walt was doing it for his family. That seed was planted in episode 1. What happened was that initial desire to provide was warped and twisted over the months and years. It never left; it just got shoved to the rear for the sake his greater ambitions, which consumed him. It's a classic villain story - the best intentions thwarted by ambition and a lust for power.

No, that's wrong

Instead of redemption, Walt ended with something like peace. He knew what he was, and he was done lying, to himself and to others. The key moment probably came when he spoke talk with Skyler: “If I have to hear one more time that you did this for the family” she began. “I did it for me,” “I liked it. I was good at it. I was alive.” He confessed.

 

[Fezzan]

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When Walt gives her the ticket and says "get yourself out of this" she starts crying and shaking her head, and then Walts says "I did it for me" (to convince her it's not her fault what happened) at that point she looks at the ticket and nods but then looks at him and shakes her head once again

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She's not stupid she's going to use the ticket, at the end she felt relieved that Walt finally was telling her the truth, of course it is a little late for that but she's still going to use the ticket.

 

[Frost_Ace]

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She's not stupid she's going to use the ticket, at the end she felt relieved that Walt finally was telling her the truth, of course it is a little late for that but she's still going to use the ticket.

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I think she feels guilty for her actions and won't whithold information from Marie to use to her advantage, but I guess the fact that they will find Walt dead means that she'll spend less time in prison.

 

[anarckitty]

I used to have an issue with the earlier Skyler. My main issue being that she was barely fleshed out at all at that point and her entire character only existed to be anti-walter, who used to be more likable at first. After they gave her more screen-time and actually took the time to look into the character and make her more complex than a wall, my complaints disappeared.

I guess a lot of people still feel close to walt due to him being the narrative's focus and the viewer having gone through tons of shit together starting from a time where he could still be considered anything else than a dispicable piece of shit. It's also the reason where there are a surprising amount of people that poorly try to justify his later actions. Insane and idiotic, but still very interesting to see.

Well said. I just started season 4 last night, and this sums up how I feel about Skyler. Not sure if my opinion will change as the season progresses and once I get into season 5, but I agree with you as of now.

 

[Anton Sugar]

I was onboard with Skyler from Season 2, when she started to exercise a greater sense of autonomy and decision-making. She didn't have much to do in Season 1 and was pretty much the observant housewife.

 

[Nameless]

Damn straight.



Walt awakening to his true Persona finally admitting that he built a drug empire for himself, and not for his family, was the single best scene in Breaking Bad.



No, that's wrong

No it isn't. People are complex creatures and as such, our motives are rarely singular. A guy can start out losing weight for health reasons and have it become more about wanting to get laid. Someone might do philanthropic work because they legitimately want to do good, and at the same time enjoy a major ego boost from it. Being multifaceted, motives can work in tandem, conflict, and fluctuate in priority. Like most people who share your position your're not only failing to take this into account, but you make sweeping statements based off small or isolated portions of the show.

Walt's in the empire business, for example, for seven episodes. That's it. He's not out to build an empire for the other 90% of series. And while he doesn't come out and say it to Sky, he makes no equivocations about his primary drivers here. He certainly doesn't lie to himself or anyone about it. In fact he's quite candid when Jesse asks him why he would turn down the $5 million.

"I did it me for me" literally revealed nothing new. Nothing. I was the truth...just the part of the truth he knew Skyler wanted and needed to hear. As I said before, 'he said it for her'. It in no way negates the fact that he entered into the business to raise fast money for his family, nor the fact that his family was always the intended recipients of whatever fortune he had amassed, even when other factors were dictating his actions.

 

[Rest]

This is the second time I've seen people complain about Skyler White. I'm always disappointed in the characterization (or lack there of) of female characters. They seem hollow and one dimensional, and usually fit into the archetype of damsel in distress or the "social rule breaker." Then, there's the last group that exist for no reason other that to look nice on screen.

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I felt that Skyler was one of he best written, most thoughtful female characters in media in a long time. Her changes of stance based on the events that have occurred in her life made her seem like a real person. I also thought Anna Gunn's performance was pretty nuanced. It seemed like Walter lying to her was a new thing at the beginning of the series and she didn't notice it, but as things went on she caught on, but because of her knowledge of Walt's personality and because of aspects of her own she didn't call him out or fight him on it. Gunn was also able to display a complex combination of emotions that said "I know I'm being lyed to, but don't want him to know I know he's lying."

I always felt that whatever Skyler was doing or saying, I understood what her motivations were supposed to be. The emotional logic that was written into the character always seemed to be based on what drives actual people to interact with the world in the way she did.

 

[Frost_Ace]

This is the second time I've seen people complain about Skyler White. I'm always disappointed in the characterization (or lack there of) of female characters. They seem hollow and one dimensional, and usually fit into the archetype of damsel in distress or the "social rule breaker." Then, there's the last group that exist for no reason other that to look nice on screen.

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I felt that Skyler was one of he best written, most thoughtful female characters in media in a long time. Her changes of stance based on the events that have occurred in her life made her seem like a real person. I also thought Anna Gunn's performance was pretty nuanced. It seemed like Walter lying to her was a new thing at the beginning of the series and she didn't notice it, but as things went on she caught on, but because of her knowledge of Walt's personality and because of aspects of her own she didn't call him out or fight him on it. Gunn was also able to display a complex combination of emotions that said "I know I'm being lyed to, but don't want him to know I know he's lying."

I always felt that whatever Skyler was doing or saying, I understood what her motivations were supposed to be. The emotional logic that was written into the character always seemed to be based on what drives actual people to interact with the world in the way she did.

Excellent post.

 

[Nameless]

Where is this "Skyler did nothing wrong" "crowd"?

They're either in Belize or chilling with Huell in the safe house.

 

[PK Gaming]

No it isn't. People are complex creatures and as such, our motives are rarely singular. A guy can start out losing weight for health reasons and have it become more about wanting to get laid. Someone might do philanthropic work because they legitimately want to do good, and at the same time enjoy a major ego boost from it. Being multifaceted, motives can work in tandem, conflict, and fluctuate in priority. Like most people who share your position your're not only failing to take this into account, but you make sweeping statements based off small or isolated portions of the show.

Good point, it was wrong of me to outright say that his point was wrong.

Walt's in the empire business, for example, for seven episodes. That's it. He's not out to build an empire for the other 90% of series. And while he doesn't come out and say it to Sky, he makes no equivocations about his primary drivers here. He certainly doesn't lie to himself or anyone about it. In fact he's quite candid when Jesse asks him why he would turn down the $5 million.

This is where I disagree. Walt might not have been in the drug running business for an extended period of time, but he did everything in his power to pursue it, even if it meant putting his family in danger. There's a point where he starts making more money than he can spend in 10 life times (according to Skylar) and yet he doesn't stop. He rebukes all attempts to back out of the drug game (there are several instances where he's more than well off), because he's selfish, deluded and egotistical. You can't deny that eventually, the many motivators for his actions shifts from being "I want to support my family" to "I want to be a powerful and successful drug lord." It became all about him. He consumed by power and the need to "feel" alive.

Vince Gilligan implies as much during an interview:

Well, there's "What does it mean to be a man?" and there's "What does it mean to be a man to Walter White?" I don't think the two are the same things. Part of being a man is indeed providing for your family. But there's a fine argument to be made that being a man does not entail cooking crystal meth and lying to your family and constantly putting them in danger. Walt has a chance to be a man in the fourth episode of the first season, when his former business partners offer to pay for his chemotherapy treatments. He's offered a way out that doesn't involve being a criminal, doesn't put his family at risk and doesn't break the law. In this deus ex machina moment, he gets offered an out; but in his mind, it means eating a little humble pie by accepting money from people he feels betrayed him. He turns down their offer for reasons of ego. He basically says, "No, I'd rather cook crystal meth than take this free money."

There was also an interview where Vince Gilligan stated that Walt aspired to be like Gus (a powerful drug lord), but I can't find it. It's just more proof that Walt is obsessed with getting more power.

"I did it me for me" literally revealed nothing new. Nothing. I was the truth...just the part of the truth he knew Skyler wanted and needed to hear. As I said before, 'he said it for her'. It in no way negates the fact that he entered into the business to raise fast money for his family, nor the fact that his family was always the intended recipients of whatever fortune he had amassed, even when other factors were dictating his actions.

That line doesn't negate his reasons for entering the drug game (which was never in dispute). The point of contention is that it sheds light on his main reasons for pursuing that drug path (rather than leaving it up to speculation). And honestly, there's no reason to assume he would lie to Skylar.

 

[Nameless]

Good point, it was wrong of me to outright say that his point was wrong.



This is where I disagree. Walt might not have been in the drug running business for an extended period of time, but he did everything in his power to pursue it, even if it meant putting his family in danger. There's a point where he starts making more money than he can spend in 10 life times (according to Skylar) and yet he doesn't stop. He rebukes all attempts to back out of the drug game (there are several instances where he's more than well off), because he's selfish, deluded and egotistical. You can't deny that eventually, the many motivators for his actions shifts from being "I want to support my family" to "I want to be a powerful and successful drug lord." It became all about him. He consumed by power and the need to "feel" alive.

Vince Gilligan implies as much during an interview:



There was also an interview where Vince Gilligan stated that Walt aspired to be like Gus (a powerful drug lord), but I can't find it. It's just more proof that Walt is obsessed with getting more power.



That line doesn't negate his reasons for entering the drug game (which was never in dispute). The point of contention is that it sheds light on his main reasons for pursuing that drug path (rather than leaving it up to speculation). And honestly, there's no reason to assume he would lie to Skylar.

I'm not recalling when he pursued being "the man" before killing Gus. Up until the tail end of Season 2 Walt's racing against cancer to earn enough to support his family long term before he dies. There are no aspirations of being a drug lord, he doesn't even expect to be alive in 6 months. He and Jesse do the marathon cook for this reason and it's well into Season 3 before he'll cook again. He's adamant about being out and rejects countless attempts by people to bring him back as he works to fix the damage he caused to his family. Eventually Gus convinces him, and it's here where I think he begins to be compelled MOSTLY by factors outside of supporting family but still, note how he only agrees to Gus' deal after failing to repair things with Sky. The minute he's back in he signs the divorce papers w/ 100% child support.

Things go south with Gus not out of Walt's desire to supplant him, but because of Jesse. We're given no reason to believe Walt wouldn't have gone on working for Gus indefinitely if not for Pinkman being Pinkman. Season 4 Walt's literally cooking for his survival; it's the only reason Gus is keeping him alive. Before killing Gus he was content reveling in the growing fame/infamy of the Heisenberg name and his product fueling a corporate sized operation.

Again, you'll never find me saying his motives were completely selfless. Yes, many of Walt's actions & decisions were informed by a lifetime of insecurity and failure. Clearly providing for his family took a back seat to his addictions to success and respect and the rush of the criminal lifestyle, but it was very much a process. And I think the moment you're referring to was in Gliding Over All when Sky shows him the mountain of cash, and he does quit the business right after.

As far as Gretchen & Elliott, you're talking about people who he hates and resents. People who he feels stole not only his company, but the life he should have had. Go back to S1 and watch Walt walk around their library...you can taste the salt. Forget for a second they're merely offering him a band aid, he can't let them have this on top on everything else. VG added that caveat for a reason. They easily could have had Walt deny benefactors he didn't have a deep seeded obsessive hatred for.

 

[Draconian]

I have a hard time believing Walt would let anybody pay for his treatment. It being Gretchen and Elliott made him more strongly against the idea for sure, but his pride seemed way too big to me to let anybody else handle that but himself.

 

[Nameless]

I have a hard time believing Walt would let anybody pay for his treatment. It being Gretchen and Elliott made him more strongly against the idea for sure, but his pride seemed way too big to me to let anybody else handle that but himself.

True. I'm just saying they could have been framed as a more realistic 'out' for Walt if there was no long standing beef.

But yeah, look at Hank. He loved the Whites and Marie sees no way he would let them pay for his treatment.

 

[Bigfoot]

Skylar was definitely annoying but nowhere near as bad as Jesse when he goes in to full emo mode.

 

[JzeroT1437]

Has anyone pointed out how the pink bear with half its face destroyed foreshadowed

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Gus Fring's death

?

Blew my mind when I connected the two,

 

[triplestation]

Has anyone pointed out how the pink bear with half its face destroyed foreshadowed

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Gus Fring's death

?

Blew my mind when I connected the two,

don't forget this thing found in gale's apartment

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Has anyone pointed out how the pink bear with half its face destroyed foreshadowed

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Gus Fring's death

?

Blew my mind when I connected the two,

don't forget this thing found in gale's apartment

Damn, never noticed that.

And fuck, was that a crazy scene! There you see Gus's assistant fixing his tie from the side and then

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it goes over to show the front where half his face is blown off with only the skull showing.

I nearly jumped out of my chair with a loud "WTF!?" after that scene. So awesome!

 

[Draconian]

Has anyone pointed out how the pink bear with half its face destroyed foreshadowed

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Gus Fring's death

?

Blew my mind when I connected the two,

There are many shots of Gus in multiple episodes with half his face in darkness too. Granted I noticed the same with other characters in other scenes, but that's one thing that stuck out to me when

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he died.

 

[Malleymal]

Holly is the most annoying White of them all.... The way she was ALWAYS crying about something. I just wished that she would realize that Walt was doing it for her and the family and stop being so selfish.


Just finished the series after a 2 week Netflix binge... This is right behind the Wire for me as for as television shows go. Followed by game of thrones. That may change over a couple years.

Long live gus

 

[tiny raptor]

I'm on Season 2 finale now, but I was raging over

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Walt's reaction to Jane OD'ing. Fucking dial 911, you slow ass idiot. It's a problem I had with the series from the get-go, too...Walt acting like a slow moron.

And THEN, he acts like it's the first he's hearing about it when Jesse calls him. He keeps Jesse in the dark and has kept Jesse in the dark about lots of things...he acts superior. I really feel for Jesse.

Also,

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if the reason Walt didn't call 911 was out of fear of being traced or something...at least use Jesse's phone or hell even Jane's phone. ALSO: the way she abruptly died seemed contrived...do ODers usually die within seconds of ODing? idk, obviously the writers wanted her dead, I just wished it all happened in a believable way (ie: Walt actually using his brain and calling some help at least

Ok, rant over. Back to watching.

 

[Spring-Loaded]

I'm on Season 2 finale now, but I was raging over

Spoiler

Walt's reaction to Jane OD'ing. Fucking dial 911, you slow ass idiot. It's a problem I had with the series from the get-go, too...Walt acting like a slow moron.

And THEN, he acts like it's the first he's hearing about it when Jesse calls him.

Spoiler

He let her die on purpose. She was blackmailing him.

 

[Jigorath]

I never understood the Skylar hate. How would you react if you found out your SO was a drug kingpin? I think she handled the whole thing pretty well.

 

[Nameless]

I'm on Season 2 finale now, but I was raging over

Spoiler

Walt's reaction to Jane OD'ing. Fucking dial 911, you slow ass idiot. It's a problem I had with the series from the get-go, too...Walt acting like a slow moron.

And THEN, he acts like it's the first he's hearing about it when Jesse calls him. He keeps Jesse in the dark and has kept Jesse in the dark about lots of things...he acts superior. I really feel for Jesse.

Also,

Spoiler

if the reason Walt didn't call 911 was out of fear of being traced or something...at least use Jesse's phone or hell even Jane's phone. ALSO: the way she abruptly died seemed contrived...do ODers usually die within seconds of ODing? idk, obviously the writers wanted her dead, I just wished it all happened in a believable way (ie: Walt actually using his brain and calling some help at least

Ok, rant over. Back to watching.

Spoiler

Yeah he deliberately let her die for two reasons. One, she had knowledge of his crimes and used it to extort him. As an addict, how long before she did it again? But the main reason was because she was clearly leading Jesse to an early grave. Notice how the chance encounter with Jane's dad, and his advice to Walt to "never give up on family" is what compels him to go back to the house and try to get through Jesse. Jane's dad indirectly contributed to his daughter's death

 

[Tenks]

I also just finished Breaking Bad maybe 6 months ago. Watched all the seasons in order.

Overall the series was good but I did get the feeling over being overhyped. I also felt like I disagreed with the internet on a couple of points. First I always felt like Jessie was annoying, entitled and overall irritating. He had the emotional character of a six year old and his motivations always seems sophomoric. I never saw why so many people online idolized him and enjoyed his character. He was, by far, the most annoying character on the show to me.

I didn't really have a beef with Sky. I think given the situation she acted how most people would act. She couldn't just up and leave and abandon everything. And when she tried Walt would straight up stalk her. I never got the feeling she was a nagger she just made it very apparent she disproved of the way Walt is making the money. She always tried to make the best of a horrible, horrible situation that was 100% Walt's doing. If you ask me she was the most "real" character written.

I also found Saul to be one dimensional and overall got on my nerves as well

 

[Rorschach]

I'm on Season 2 finale now, but I was raging over

Spoiler

Walt's reaction to Jane OD'ing. Fucking dial 911, you slow ass idiot. It's a problem I had with the series from the get-go, too...Walt acting like a slow moron.

And THEN, he acts like it's the first he's hearing about it when Jesse calls him. He keeps Jesse in the dark and has kept Jesse in the dark about lots of things...he acts superior. I really feel for Jesse.

Also,

Spoiler

if the reason Walt didn't call 911 was out of fear of being traced or something...at least use Jesse's phone or hell even Jane's phone. ALSO: the way she abruptly died seemed contrived...do ODers usually die within seconds of ODing? idk, obviously the writers wanted her dead, I just wished it all happened in a believable way (ie: Walt actually using his brain and calling some help at least

Ok, rant over. Back to watching.

Spoiler

He killed her because she had control over Jesse that he didn't. She didn't die of overdose. She choked on her own vomit. He could have simply turned her on her side and she would have been fine.

 

[Frost_Ace]

I'm on Season 2 finale now, but I was raging over

Spoiler

Walt's reaction to Jane OD'ing. Fucking dial 911, you slow ass idiot. It's a problem I had with the series from the get-go, too...Walt acting like a slow moron.

And THEN, he acts like it's the first he's hearing about it when Jesse calls him. He keeps Jesse in the dark and has kept Jesse in the dark about lots of things...he acts superior. I really feel for Jesse.

Also,

Spoiler

if the reason Walt didn't call 911 was out of fear of being traced or something...at least use Jesse's phone or hell even Jane's phone. ALSO: the way she abruptly died seemed contrived...do ODers usually die within seconds of ODing? idk, obviously the writers wanted her dead, I just wished it all happened in a believable way (ie: Walt actually using his brain and calling some help at least

Ok, rant over. Back to watching.

Others already corrected you, but yeah he let her die on purpose, Cranston absolutely nailed that scene.

She was not ODing btw just chocking.

 

[Draconian]

I also found Saul to be one dimensional and overall got on my nerves as well

I think it's a little unfair to say that because we only see Saul when he's on the job, unlike just about every other main character. Better Call Saul will do a much better job of giving his character depth than Breaking Bad ever will.

 

[Rorschach]

We didn't get to watch Saul mope around and stare out into space for hours on end.

 

[Vashetti]

We didn't get to watch Saul mope around and stare out into space for hours on end.

Can't wait for that show.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

This show is embedded within my memory. What an impact it has had on me.