I've always been a fan of the DOA franchise, a faster, more accessible version of Virtua Fighter in many ways. So, I'm in a fighting game fix (3D fighters) and I snagged up a copy of DOA4. It was cheap and had a large online community. The game is good (though the graphics SEEM to me to be just a high res version of DOAU), but whatever. I think Itagaki got pissed off when he heard people calling his franchise accessible, because the difficulty has sky rocketed. In fact, the AI feels ridiculously cheap since it can pretty much counter anything you throw and it does it over and over again. For you, though, countering seems to have become a complete guessing game, which is a shame because it felt great in DOAU. Why did they change it? Anyone got any tips on how to get better at it?
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Alx
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Well to get better I usually spend some time in training mode, against the CPU in the hardest difficulty... it won't make you win against skilled human players, but it will help you get the timing of the different moves, practice reversals etc.
I really enjoyed DOA4, even if it didn't add much to the previous episodes (but that could be said about VF5, which I enjoyed too). Too bad the final boss is so annoying... even when you know his weakness, it's still a chore to beat, and maybe one of the reasons I don't play the game more often. :/ Otherwise I thought the difficulty as a whole was ok.
I really enjoyed DOA4, even if it didn't add much to the previous episodes (but that could be said about VF5, which I enjoyed too). Too bad the final boss is so annoying... even when you know his weakness, it's still a chore to beat, and maybe one of the reasons I don't play the game more often. :/ Otherwise I thought the difficulty as a whole was ok.
Acid08 said:
How so? I had nothing but good times with it. I get to sit back and laugh at all the people hoping for lobbies in their fighters when Team Ninja had them on the og XBox.
Re Countering: It's pretty much exactly the same as in DoA2:U. I guess there are more opportunities to counter due to the change in the stun/juggle system, though.
a Master Ninja
Member
You must be referring to the only part of the game I really disliked:
Beating that boss took a little luck when I was certain characters. Beyond that, getting good at counters takes practice. Learning which opponents moves are high/mid/low, the window of opportunity to initiate a counter, etc. A good arcade stick/fightpad can make a world of difference too. Also keep in mind that unlike DOAU, you press back to counter a mid kick, not forward.
Anyway, whether I'm playing online or offline with friends the game is still the most fun I've had with a 3D fighter this generation.
Beating that boss took a little luck when I was certain characters. Beyond that, getting good at counters takes practice. Learning which opponents moves are high/mid/low, the window of opportunity to initiate a counter, etc. A good arcade stick/fightpad can make a world of difference too. Also keep in mind that unlike DOAU, you press back to counter a mid kick, not forward.
Anyway, whether I'm playing online or offline with friends the game is still the most fun I've had with a 3D fighter this generation.
sixteen-bit
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Contrary to popular (?) belief, defeating AI doesn't really improve your game much. To defeat AI in fighting games, just find a move the AI can't counter and exploit it.SoulPlaya said:
In SCIV, pick Astaroth and do the low swing -> overhead swing all day. The AI doesn't know WTF to do.
In SFIV, Lariat all day. The AI has no clue how to counter.
In DOA4, I dunno lol :lol, I think Hayate has some anti-AI stuff?
I don't want to start an asinine title shitting war, but I'd like to hear your reasoning for this. I'd agree with it being more accessible, but beside the (admirable) simplicity in the controls I'm not so sure how to two are similar. I played DOA4 for a few months after its release, but to me it had lacking depth and balance (then again no fighting game, 2D or 3D, matches VF for balance) compared to VF4. VF5's release, with its beautifully transparent netcode (never noticed any lag) made the gulf between the two even more apparent to me.SoulPlaya said:
The lag was unbearable at first but me and a friend were able to probably figure out why that game lagged so much..
You know how you could sit in those lobbys with your penguin avatars and actually watch people fight on a little T.V screen? Well if you only have 2 people in the actual room then it doesn't lag that much. :3
You know how you could sit in those lobbys with your penguin avatars and actually watch people fight on a little T.V screen? Well if you only have 2 people in the actual room then it doesn't lag that much. :3
ChackanKun
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That game should also be on the PS3 
a Master Ninja
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For some reason I can see the new Team Ninja making Ninja Gaiden 3, but abandoning the DOA franchise entirely. DOA was Itagaki's baby since the beginning, and essentially the entire staff who created DOA1-4 has left. I would be shocked if a DOA5 is ever made.CcrooK said:
Lumpy Onion
Member
Really an awesome fighting game. Mastering all the reversals and destroying my helpless friends was so much fun. My favorite character was Bayman, who I could pretty much beat anyone with.
Haven't played since it was first released, but this reminded me I should go back and check it out.
Haven't played since it was first released, but this reminded me I should go back and check it out.
But the DOA franchise is still a popular moneymaker for Tecmo. I could see them going through with it even if it doesn't turn out at all the same DOA fighting game we all knew. Maybe they'll even outsource to Dimps or something.a Master Ninja said:
DOAX though, I'm pretty sure died with Itagaki. :lol
Fyodor Dostoevsky
Banned
You can get past the countering AI by switching up your moves and combos constantly. if you do a bunch of mid attacks in a row, it'll conter you. The end boss tends to eat strong single attacks (like tackles, running punches, hitomi's b,f+p, etc.) Like everyone else, I played the hell out of this game when it came out. That wait for it after the 360 launch was hell! But it quickly became my favorite of the launch titles.
ChackanKun
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I played the hell out of Doa2 on the DC and after than Doa2 on the PS2.
Since then i never played any Doa again, goddamn exclusivity
Since then i never played any Doa again, goddamn exclusivity
Skilletor said:
I don't know, I put in time with both DOA2 Hardcore and DOA3 and the juggles seemed a lot more forgiving, maybe they were slower games so it was easier to recover. In DOA4 if you got knock in the air, it was over, next round. Honestly the game just wasn't any fun, it felt cheap in design.
AZ Greg
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DOA4, along with Oblivion, was the game that got me through the 360's early drought up until games like Gears started hitting.
Didn't know it had this much love on GAF. Maybe we should do a get together. I've been meaning to fire it up lately. Anyone who still plays it, add me, GT - AZ Greg
Didn't know it had this much love on GAF. Maybe we should do a get together. I've been meaning to fire it up lately. Anyone who still plays it, add me, GT - AZ Greg
ArcticDonkey
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I really liked the letter grading while playing online. Every match was essentially a ranked match.
sixteen-bit
Member
I must be really terrible and out of practice, I'll try to get on tonight.
Earl Cazone
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i really like the doa franchise und its world. and i enjoyed the story, not kidding. i love how great the attacks look and feel. i dig the over the top style. i am not really good at it, but i love to play it, its just nice to play.
To Far Away Times
Member
I really liked DOA's online lobbies, avatars, and Zack shop. I wish more games would do that.
The Faceless Master
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i still remember when i upgraded to a 120gb hdd, this was the one game i had who's saves are locked to the original drive... had to unlock everything again.... oh so many hoiurs wasted AGAIN doing the same shit over and over to the CPU... fighting games should just have an unlock code for people who don't give a shit about worthless single player modes...
truly101 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgBrZC58xGo&feature=related
Dunno who you were playing that could juggle you that much in DoA4. If you're getting launched high enough for juggles to own you, you're missing lots of counters. DoA3 had Ayane and Jann with infinite slope juggles. Hayate getting two reps of strings off of his command throw and awesome launchers. 3.1 Had Bass infinite (don't know where you are, but might be your version).
I like 3 more than 4, but complaining about juggles in 4 and liking 2 and 3 more seems silly to me.
Btw, none of the combos in that vid are particularly difficult to pull off.
The Faceless Master said:
This happened to me when my first 360 RROD'ed. I still haven't unlocked everything again.
DR2K
Banned
They've been working on DOA5 for a while, Itagaki let it slip in an interview, forgot which one. And Tecmo has promised to continue with the series, as it is their biggest franchise. They've been working on Metriod Other M and Sigma 2, so I don't expect anything for a while.
Anyways, I still play DOA4 here and there. It's one of the few games where I can get great games with people from Japan and Europe, and it still has tons of players of all skill levels.
Anyways, I still play DOA4 here and there. It's one of the few games where I can get great games with people from Japan and Europe, and it still has tons of players of all skill levels.
The Faceless Master
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yeah, DOA2 and DOA3 had some pretty damaging stufftruly101 said:
eg -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3xBW9XoQdk
Diablohead
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My favourate DOA game closely followed by 2, then 3 and then 1 which had some real iffy physics :lol
Once you learn how reversals work and the changes they had from doa 2 and 3, online was very fun but extremely tough if you go against someone who really knew their character. Also lots of bitching over live when you reversal / throw someone, a good laugh.
I should play it again but I lent it out to a friend before hitting uni.
*edit* 4's boss woman was too predictable, one of the easier series boss fights.
Once you learn how reversals work and the changes they had from doa 2 and 3, online was very fun but extremely tough if you go against someone who really knew their character. Also lots of bitching over live when you reversal / throw someone, a good laugh.
I should play it again but I lent it out to a friend before hitting uni.
Abusing the level design there, that hardly happens in a real online fight tbh.The Faceless Master said:
*edit* 4's boss woman was too predictable, one of the easier series boss fights.
cool_dude_2049
Banned
a Master Ninja said:
Idk, i remember reading an interview about Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 where Team Ninja had said that if enough people liked that new girl - i forget her name, the one with the long black hair who came out in dragon sword on the ds - that would be in the next doa installment.
edit: found it
I don't know how reliable the site is but I found it from neoseeker.com
would be nice if true, though.
The Faceless Master
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7 reps is pretty situational, but 4 or 5 reps can be hit easily from most of that area and still does 70%Diablohead said:
the snow level is just as bad.
there's some very high damage and even 100% damage and infinite damage stuff in 3, especially the JP/EU versions. there's some wild stuff in 2 as well.
ThatCrazyGuy
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I would buy a DOA5. It's the time of the fighters!