OuterLimits
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Completely agree with you OP. The battle system is fun, but it wasn't enough to keep me interested. Grandia 3 also had a terrible plot but the battle system was fun enough that I finished that game. Couldn't finish X-2.
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LTTP : FF X-2 - WTF is this!?
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charlequin
Banned
You really want to make the case that demure, apologetic Yuna who does what she's told is a ten times better character than the version who's figuring out how to live in the world under her own direction?
Once, just once, it would be nice if someone who made one of these threads did it with the intention of listening earnestly to the alternate viewpoints offered in response and giving a chance to the things people identify as positives about the game, instead of just making the thread so they can be smug about hating something.
Ok you got me on my 2nd point, but on my first, it's your loss. I was skeptical about going back to this game too (I played it back when it came out on PS2). But after diving back in I was pleasantly surprised at how it was much better than I remembered.
Rikku is annoying as fuck- that voice... it doesn't get any better, but the whole opening sequence is one giant cringe, and I promise nothing that bad happens again (unless you count the hilariously awkward massage scene). The song Yuna sings at the end of Chapter 4 is actually really well done (more of a ballad than a pop song like the opening).
Oh and I forgot about Leblanc. She's a character you just have to take with a grain of salt. She doesn't go away, and she really doesn't get any better, so if you can't stand that character, well, you're shit outta luck I guess. (although she doesn't take up a ton of screen time)
This game was depressing to play. It completely ruined the first game. That said, it was a lot of fun ._.
Also, some of the tracks from the soundtrack were fantastic. Dat main menu music hnnnnng!
https://youtu.be/DjJKHFwLpg4
Also, some of the tracks from the soundtrack were fantastic. Dat main menu music hnnnnng!
https://youtu.be/DjJKHFwLpg4
I listened. I read all these replies. I just don't believe him.
I know my own tastes well enough to know that the game isn't going to win me over. Some of the videos linked by other posts convinced me of that. And the positives points aren't strong enough for me.
lol this is hilarious.
I just can't hate on stuff like this.
Classic JRPG shannigans.
NCR Redslayer
NeoGAF's Vegeta
The battle system was good, but come on, man.
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is it that toriyama?
Forgot how amazing this was.
BlazingDarkness
Member
1000 words is legit good
dreamlongdead
Member
I enjoyed X-2 when it came out, but the game isn't that good when I look back on it.
The story is kind of forgettable, and the music is very disappointing. The main menu theme is probably one of the best songs in the franchise, but the other OST numbers are unremarkable.
FF X-2 is only fun because of the job system and the surprisingly strong mini games. The gameplay content is good, so getting 100% is at least not such a drag.
The story is kind of forgettable, and the music is very disappointing. The main menu theme is probably one of the best songs in the franchise, but the other OST numbers are unremarkable.
FF X-2 is only fun because of the job system and the surprisingly strong mini games. The gameplay content is good, so getting 100% is at least not such a drag.
Irishonion
Member
I liked it when i first played through it as it came out. Loved the gameplay, and leveling the spheres.
But imo it didnt age very well at all, i tried to go through another playthrough on ps4, just couldn't do it.
But imo it didnt age very well at all, i tried to go through another playthrough on ps4, just couldn't do it.
Okay...so what's the point of this being an LTTP thread considering you played less than an hour and won't be returning to it without even giving sensible argument why you're against the game premise?
Aeriscloud
Banned
Thanks for ruining Yuna.
Love the battle system, keep up the good work.
~A Friend~
Love the battle system, keep up the good work.
~A Friend~
Reading comprehension, buddy. I have stated several times in this thread that it isn't the premise, it's the execution. It's not the concept, it's final product. I'm totally fine with the idea, I just think they did a shitty job.
I also outlined pretty cleary what my sensible arguement is. Bad writing, stilted and awkward dialogue recordings, bland, dull and genuinely not funny. Terrible characters. Hideous art direction, that too.
So you did make the thread just to jump on the hate train then? Fair enough, but don't frame your arguments like you have experienced anything more than most of the intro. You've voiced what you dislike, and don't care about positives that others point out. Now that you've gotten that off your chest, what's the point of continuing any discussion? You have already made up your mind from 40 minutes of a game that takes 60+ hours to 100%(more like 120 with no guide). I don't get why you're even bothering anymore at this point. At first, I thought you wanted people to engage you and give you a different perspective, but since that's not the case, there's little point.
One thing that doesn't add up to me. It's one thing to dislike how a game plays. Full stop, you don't like it, fine. But you dislike a lot of themes, and refuse to budge even though everyone is telling you that the small part that you played is the only like that in the game. Also, you're playing through FFX and the dialogue is equally bad in that IMO. It probably comes down more to localization than writing.
Edit: You're well within your right to dislike a game, and I'm not trying to stifle your discussion of it, I'm just really confused on the purpose.
MulderYuffie
Member
sad you are really missing out oh well...
toddhunter
Member
Late to the superficial hate party.
That said, there is a lot of bullshit you need to look past to enjoy the game. Young me was prepared to do that and have a great time, but old me couldn't even deal with FFX. When you look back, that game was basically just as bad and a heck of a lot longer.
What I can say is that I always appreciated that the game "tried". It mostly failed but it at least has an identity that was completely missing from 12 and 13.
I'd wager half the people posting in the thread either didn't like the game or admit that the non-gameplay parts never really get better.
TBH, the idea of the game starting to take itself more seriously at some point is even more off-putting.
dreamlongdead
Member
The game is fun to play, though. It shouldn't take long at all to do a basic playthrough, though a lot of the great content will be missed without 100%.
The presentation is sub-par, but it's not unplayable. I didn't even have the luxury to play an HD version of this. There are certainly worse RPGs than FF X-2.
It's weird how people drop games after less than an hour.
The presentation is sub-par, but it's not unplayable. I didn't even have the luxury to play an HD version of this. There are certainly worse RPGs than FF X-2.
It's weird how people drop games after less than an hour.
Desparadina
Member
I also sincerely believe that FFX-2 had one of the most interesting soundtracks. not the best and certainly not better than FFX (damn that inferior Besaid theme in X-2), but legitimately fun and experimental. I think it fits the game perfectly.
It's kind of unfortunate that the game opens up in a way that can be misinterpreted. I think the theme and tone are kind of brilliant with how they offer contrast to FFX. It's a story that is very focused on moving on, and the way that stuff gets handled as a sequel to the very idealized and restrained fantasy world presented in FFX winds up feeling more genuine in a lot of ways. I wouldn't say that I'm hugely invested in the story, but it finds a nice place where it can have fun while maintaining a good level of depth. The battle system and its open ended side to exploration and character progression are still astonishing to me though. There really is not a lot in the RPG space that has rivaled FFX-2 in those areas.
CrimsonSquall
Member
OP just about to admit that this is some damn good turn-based gameplay? Pls don't come at Dress Fantasy
I don't think whether she's living her own life matters that much. Many times the stories about people under the burden of fate/mission/whatever are more interesting.
Mmmm I love the smell of teen boys frantically protesting that they totally have no interest in this girly stuff.
Like dudes, come on. Some of you are apparently nursing grudges and traumas over this game from 15 years ago.
The game isn't perfect, but its a damn sight better than most people give it credit for, and most people's opinions on the game are informed by the OP's experience or even less. Boys who take themselves too seriously start it up, see girls and freak out and protest that they totally don't like this uh uh no way.
I was in my 20s when this came out and let me tell you, its a damn good game. I thought so then, and I think so now.
Like dudes, come on. Some of you are apparently nursing grudges and traumas over this game from 15 years ago.
The game isn't perfect, but its a damn sight better than most people give it credit for, and most people's opinions on the game are informed by the OP's experience or even less. Boys who take themselves too seriously start it up, see girls and freak out and protest that they totally don't like this uh uh no way.
I was in my 20s when this came out and let me tell you, its a damn good game. I thought so then, and I think so now.
the_batman
Banned
yup, it signaled the fall of Square.
Even if half is true, you can't form an opinion based on others' experiences. You know a piece of the intro and a few of the hundreds of cutscenes. I don't think the game is funny either, and Brother is an all-time bad character in the franchise IMO.
I don't play games that I don't like for very long, but I at least give them a real shot before dropping and going to bitch to others.
Mentosrock
Member
The OP isn't hearing any of the criticisms to his own opinion and is just replying to the ones that agree with his own and stating them as some sort of fact about FF X-2.
Pretty encouraging to hear that a lot of people enjoyed the game. Best battle system in a Final Fantasy game, the light-hearted story actually posed an interesting examination of what happens after the end of a Final Fantasy game. Yuna is an easy character to sympathise with, considering
. The Charlie's Angels aspect becomes a non-issue a little ways in, as well as goofy Leblanc. They're no worse than any other goofy beginner villains FF games typically introduce, Biggs & Wedge for example.
Pretty encouraging to hear that a lot of people enjoyed the game. Best battle system in a Final Fantasy game, the light-hearted story actually posed an interesting examination of what happens after the end of a Final Fantasy game. Yuna is an easy character to sympathise with, considering
the love of her life disappeared at the end of FF X
ZombiePlatypus
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X2 is a jarringly different game. So much so that I couldn't enjoy it after X back in the day. Now though I can see it and appreciate it for what it is: Goofy , fun, batshit stupidity. I love it.
Basically, I started to adore it soon as I stopped expecting it to move me in a such an emotional way like X did.
Basically, I started to adore it soon as I stopped expecting it to move me in a such an emotional way like X did.
I bought this game at launch back in the day and I liked it plenty. I've yet to return to it in the PS3 remaster, but I have no doubt that I will still like it. The ATB-version in this game, combined with the dressphere system, made for a fun and active combat system and I liked the 3 girl ensemble and their hijinks. The plot was serviceable (I didn't find it convoluted or confusing) and it was nice to actually return to a game world after some world changing events, to see what came of the effort.
I'm not saying the game is without flaws, but it was FUN. It had some good songs, it had a good battle-system, it had humor, it still had some really heartfelt moments and I found the antagonist ensemble to be better than Seymour's constant death-cheating bullshit and spewing of nihilistic nonsense.
I'm not saying the game is without flaws, but it was FUN. It had some good songs, it had a good battle-system, it had humor, it still had some really heartfelt moments and I found the antagonist ensemble to be better than Seymour's constant death-cheating bullshit and spewing of nihilistic nonsense.
I played through FFX again last month for the first time in many years this time on steam. Put about 50 hours on the clock and completed everything there is to do.
Played FFX-2 straight afterwards. Like yourself i had never played this title. It had some charm to it and it was interesting to see what spira had turned into a few years afterwards but it was a slog to get through. I activated a trainer just to help get through the story as quick as possible. The story was uninspiring and the new characters were just plain annoying. With all that said i dont regret playing it, it just wasnt very good.
Also to get the perfect ending the expectations were way too high so i just watched it on youtube. The ending was nice though.
Played FFX-2 straight afterwards. Like yourself i had never played this title. It had some charm to it and it was interesting to see what spira had turned into a few years afterwards but it was a slog to get through. I activated a trainer just to help get through the story as quick as possible. The story was uninspiring and the new characters were just plain annoying. With all that said i dont regret playing it, it just wasnt very good.
Also to get the perfect ending the expectations were way too high so i just watched it on youtube. The ending was nice though.
SolVanderlyn
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It's a steaming pile of hot garbage, but it did some cool things.
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-More info on Old Zanarkand
-Some cool world exposition, seeing the world post Sin
-Battle system is ace
Unfortunately it's wrapped up in a game that totally disrespects the characters of the original and doesn't even try to make a thematically appropriate sequel to the first game. The character design is crazy in a bad way. Also, pop star/idol nonsense had no place being anywhere near this game. A mess all around.
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Shuyin being the "original" Tidus that the Fayth based him off of
-Some cool world exposition, seeing the world post Sin
-Battle system is ace
Unfortunately it's wrapped up in a game that totally disrespects the characters of the original and doesn't even try to make a thematically appropriate sequel to the first game. The character design is crazy in a bad way. Also, pop star/idol nonsense had no place being anywhere near this game. A mess all around.
I have to agree; FFX is not my fav, it's not even close to be my fav but I still consider it a decent/ok FF game.
The sequel however; I was intrigued at first but after a few hours playing I simply couldn't continue, it was the first main FF game I didn't finish followed by FFXIII-3.
I never felt bad about it though because the ending of FFX was perfect for me anyway.
The sequel however; I was intrigued at first but after a few hours playing I simply couldn't continue, it was the first main FF game I didn't finish followed by FFXIII-3.
I never felt bad about it though because the ending of FFX was perfect for me anyway.
What would you consider thematically appropriate now that the reason for the somber, brooding mood of the world in the first game is gone?
SolVanderlyn
Thanos acquires the fully powered Infinity Gauntlet in The Avengers: Infinity War, but loses when all the superheroes team up together to stop him.
A journey to gradually restore the world following the oppression of Sin. The complete 180 to pop star antics, especially from a character who was a reserved religious type in the original, was uncalled for. The world they built AROUND Yuna and co. did it right - new sects of religion popping up, people wondering how to live their lives outside of what they knew, etc. Stuff like LeBlanc, the Gullwings, the campy feel to so many cutscenes - all of that is disrespectful to the original game's tone, IMO. It felt like "Sin is gone, so LET'S PARTY!" It doesn't work like that.
JustSomeone
Member
The last good FF game was FF6, which came out almost a decade before FFX-2.
All of the games after it were cringeworthy.
Why are you so surprised?
All of the games after it were cringeworthy.
Why are you so surprised?
I'm going to have to disagree with you there. The game deliberately goes out of its way to present the Gullwings transforming from sphere hunters to a group to aid a broken world and strengthen the people going forward. The pop stuff doesn't have much bearing on the actual story of the game. I just replayed it 2 weeks ago(taking time off for my platinum run now), and I couldn't believe how little I remembered about the various character arcs and issues such as attempted genocide, oppression and rebellion touched on in the game. The war in old Zanarkand is a part of X-2's story also.
Also,this game is 2 years in the future, so it follows that the world has mostly changed quite a bit. Yuna is actually extremely lost as a person, and trying to find herself with nearly everything in her life being turned upside down, and everyone who guided her in X is either gone or have their own lives to tend to. Not only that, but she's usually reserved and reluctant to do anything while Rikku is the one bursting with Jpop energy(as would be expected).
I agree that a lot of the game is cheesy, but I don't think that it necessarily needed the same type of tone as the first. I respect your opinion, but I see things in a completely different way.
I really don't think that's the problem anyone here has with the game. I certainly don't mind it being "girly."
That's just not true.