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Scullibundo said:
How dare you. You doubt the writers of masterpieces like T3 and Catwoman?
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How dare you. You doubt the writers of masterpieces like T3 and Catwoman?
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Yep. Terminator is supposed to be sci-fi horror. There was no dread here. The comedy was all in how incapable and retarded Skynet was behaving.Burger said:
Even the TV show and T3 knew Terminator was about "oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck."
very enjoyable movie.
The good parts make up for the generic parts.
Surprisingly the director didn't screw up as much as I thought he would.
Obvious plot holes and obvious flaws. People still spend 100 million dollars on a script with holes. How can you not listen to a gigantic robot approaching in the silence of the desert.
The hybrid was seen on the table inside the room that blows up in a nuclear bomb, and appears intact moments later just to be damaged by bullets and mines later on.
Hire me.
The good parts make up for the generic parts.
Surprisingly the director didn't screw up as much as I thought he would.
Obvious plot holes and obvious flaws. People still spend 100 million dollars on a script with holes. How can you not listen to a gigantic robot approaching in the silence of the desert.
The hybrid was seen on the table inside the room that blows up in a nuclear bomb, and appears intact moments later just to be damaged by bullets and mines later on.
Hire me.
I've watched it yesterday and it surprised me. It's pretty good. I'm a bitch for scenarios like that though. And was that Omar at the Gas Stop?
Anyway, this movie was made for theaters I think. Would've been better for me there, but I've enjoyed it nonetheless. And the Arnie appearance was awesome :lol
Anyway, this movie was made for theaters I think. Would've been better for me there, but I've enjoyed it nonetheless. And the Arnie appearance was awesome :lol
Foliorum Viridum
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GAF's hate for this film prevented me from going to see this at the cinema, but now that I've just watched it I really regret that. I honestly can't see why people are so down on it - yes, the narrative is extremely weak and the characters are hardly developed at all, but when it came to the action sequences it really ticked all of the boxes. McG did a pretty great job at making them exciting, and I'm not sure why people hate on him for this film as all of the flaws are pretty much in the script.
It's so much better than T3 it's not even funny. Admittedly, the last 5 minutes of that film was so good it nearly makes up for the rest of it being a pile of shit, but this film consistently entertained me in a way that any good action film should.
Write a better story for the next one, keep the quality of action the same, and it would be a worthy successor to T2.
It's so much better than T3 it's not even funny. Admittedly, the last 5 minutes of that film was so good it nearly makes up for the rest of it being a pile of shit, but this film consistently entertained me in a way that any good action film should.
Write a better story for the next one, keep the quality of action the same, and it would be a worthy successor to T2.
LLaMa-Tech
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black_13 said:
I remember hearing about that and sort of wished they had taken route.
LLaMa-Tech
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a few random pics just because 
It was an OK action movie for the first half, but then after the "twist" (which was in every single ad) it just went totally downhill. I don't remember anything about it after that. I know it had something to do with Helena Bonham Carter and a CG Ahnold though.
I do remember Worthington's line about Kyle Reese being on a "Transportah"
I do remember Worthington's line about Kyle Reese being on a "Transportah"
It felt like fanfiction. I expected more human genocide, I expected more dread, I expected the apocalypse. I expected Connor to be a charismatic guy, a normal guy, but just very charismatic, who knew his shit about computers and how to disable terminators.
I expected massive dirty fights like shown in T1 and T2, humans using old trucks, homemade bombs, modified terminator plasma rifles, shooting from bunkers.
I expected something really raw, a war that would still give a guy like Kyle Reese, who grew up in it, nightmares like he had in T1.
I got Gi Joe emo Connor, commanders in a secret submarine, troops being droped by helicopters, Reese killing terminators by dropping heavy stuff like in Bugs Bunny.
What was scary about the terminator was that there was NO chance of survival if you went against him face to face. His aim is perfect, he's super powerful, etc. The terminators in this were all retarded, couldnt aim, and used hand to hand combat to kill the resistance leader. Terminators are impossible to beat, unless you use sneaky stuff against them. That the point.
Also, what was up with Skynet having super nice post-modern offices..
I expected massive dirty fights like shown in T1 and T2, humans using old trucks, homemade bombs, modified terminator plasma rifles, shooting from bunkers.
I expected something really raw, a war that would still give a guy like Kyle Reese, who grew up in it, nightmares like he had in T1.
I got Gi Joe emo Connor, commanders in a secret submarine, troops being droped by helicopters, Reese killing terminators by dropping heavy stuff like in Bugs Bunny.
What was scary about the terminator was that there was NO chance of survival if you went against him face to face. His aim is perfect, he's super powerful, etc. The terminators in this were all retarded, couldnt aim, and used hand to hand combat to kill the resistance leader. Terminators are impossible to beat, unless you use sneaky stuff against them. That the point.
Also, what was up with Skynet having super nice post-modern offices..
SolsticeZero
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shuri said:
Don't you know? Apparently robots need to use retinal scanners and doorknobs, too.
Here is whyPakkidis said:
In the original Script Kyle Reese was captured by chance, and the fact that he was on Skynets kill list was added during the rewrites probably very late in the production.
So they probably just mashed the two scenarios together and that is what you get, and thus why it doesn't quite make sense.
The whole movie is nothing more than a Frankenstein of scripts. One godawful original script coupled with illogical and not well thought out rewrites.
Helena Bonham Carter was also originally supposed to be a Hybrid Terminator villain that would appear in the movies finale, but that was most likely changed into what it is now (Carters head on a screen) due to her leaving the production due to a bunch of her family members dying.
WyndhamPrice
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I just watched this 2 nights ago for the first time.
It was cool to watch but ultimately a pointless exercise. It's just a huge wash at the end. I wish they went with the other ending.
It was cool to watch but ultimately a pointless exercise. It's just a huge wash at the end. I wish they went with the other ending.
professor_t
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McG. LOL.
freethought
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The only part of this film I even came close to enjoying was when "You Could Be Mine" was playing. It reminded me what it was like to watch a good action movie.
Does the director's cut explain why skynet is so interested on getting connor's father (top of the list) when it didn't know who he was or what importance he had?
That broke the whole movie for me, after the guy saying that he was at the top of the list I couldn't stop thinking about the huge plot hole in there. Fuck them, horrible movie.
That broke the whole movie for me, after the guy saying that he was at the top of the list I couldn't stop thinking about the huge plot hole in there. Fuck them, horrible movie.
freethought
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itxaka said:
Maybe it had access to Sarah Connor's medical history, plus John Connor was broadcasting her tapes, was he not? She might have mentioned him in those.
Grant DaNasty
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How different is the director's cut? I saw it in theaters and thought it was shit.
Is it worth a second go?
Is it worth a second go?
itxaka said:
Actually i think this can be explained by the simple fact that it is not only the good guys that have this extra information about the past. It wasn't stated by Skynet that Kyle is Connor's father. They should however know that Kyle was the one that was sent back in the past and stopped the first terminator. This makes it understandable why Kyle is number1 on the wanted list.
Things have changed in this timeline, T-800 appearing way before it's time being another example of this.
shuri said:
Agree on the genocide.
For the sequel i hope the make it more gritty and dark. No seniors/childeren/sick surviving so easily.
However i disagree about Connor's role. I do believe this is the type of guy he's supposed to be, a smart bad-ass soldier in part because of all the training his mother put him trough prior to part 2.
Nobody would follow a computernerd, and it was never just his computer savy that was going to make him the legendary leader, i'm sure there were thousends of kids around the world in T2's time that were better with computers then him.
And we did see some of his skills with computers in T4, when he hacks that robobike, the music playing a nice homage to T2.
Grant DaNasty
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Edward Furlong did a much better John Connor than Christian Bale. There was no sense that this was the same troubled/mixed up/sarcastic character that was in T2.
Imagine how much better The Dark Night would have been if Christopher Nolan cast Furlong as Batman instead of Bale.
Imagine how much better The Dark Night would have been if Christopher Nolan cast Furlong as Batman instead of Bale.
Superblatt
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Without a doubt, there was ONE scene in this movie that pisses me off to no end. When Kyle Reese is FINALLY captured by Skynet and he's standing in line within their holding facility, he is actually IDENTIFIED by a random patrolling machine and clearly identified as Kyle Reese -- the father of John Conner.
What does the machine do next? Nothing. It doesn't attempt to instantly kill him.
No No No...that would only follow the logical plot of THIS movie and every previous piece of Terminator lore that was ever written or filmed. Instead, it grabs him and takes him away to a holding cell. To think that this scene was written is dumb enough. To see it take place on screen is fucking mind boggling. :lol
What does the machine do next? Nothing. It doesn't attempt to instantly kill him.
No No No...that would only follow the logical plot of THIS movie and every previous piece of Terminator lore that was ever written or filmed. Instead, it grabs him and takes him away to a holding cell. To think that this scene was written is dumb enough. To see it take place on screen is fucking mind boggling. :lol
Grant DaNasty
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One way to make this better would be to have John Connor listening to Chinese Democracy rather than You Could Be Mine.
Foliorum Viridum
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I thought that was a cool throwback to T2.
DihcarEM said:
I doubt that skynet had that information as Kyle is pretty careful on the past. I think someone (Scullibundo?) mentioned that they cut from the theater release the part that explains it. I mean, there is no evidence or anything that ties them up rigth? In the past is an unknown guy and the first terminator memory is destroyed thus erasing any ties to him being the father. Plus it only stays with Sarah like a few ¿days? so it's almost impossible to identify him as the father while she could have got pregnant the same day that the terminator arrives.
WickedAngel
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shuri said:
That has party been explained already. The war wasn't at that point yet; the hardest time for the Resistance began with the release of the T-800.
I'm interested to see what the director's cut brings to the table.
While it obviously won't fix everything, three of the bigger issues with the movie were editing (scene transitions, etc), pacing, and character development ... and those are all things that may at least see some improvement.
While it obviously won't fix everything, three of the bigger issues with the movie were editing (scene transitions, etc), pacing, and character development ... and those are all things that may at least see some improvement.
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Onix said:
The only version I've seen is the Director's Cut and honestly it didn't seem like it fixed any problems that existed in the theatrical cut. Same plot holes, same end result of nothing really mattering in the end.
itxaka said:
I think it's more likely that being reason why Kyle is number1 on the wanted list then Skynet actually knowing that he's the father which isn't said by them anywere in the movie. I don't know or care which scene's were cut, i just look at what we got and this is one easy way to explain everything that happend.
And i'm pretty sure that Skynet has basic reasons of deduction. Kyle was one of the topguys in Connor's army, one day poof he's gone, i'm sure they kept tabs on every important human resistence fighter.
The first terminator's chip was mostly left intact in human-hands for over a decade, again could be part of the reason why so much happend too fast. That researcher guy said that having that terminator's hand and chip moved their progess immensly and they could have gotten the information out of that. Not that Kyle is the father but perhaps the whole chase and id'ng Kyle as Sarah's protector, without the humans working on it even knowing what they have. They could have scanned it a lot, and the info might have been availble in the database when the AI went active.
Who knows.
Let's forget that Sarah spent years in that asylum, and she kept talking about terminators during video interviews and so on. There was a lot of government coverup, so its safe to assume that skynet eventually found this kind of info.
edit: You know.. How was Sarah captured? They never mentionned,or explained that. She was on the run, and hung out with the guerilla guys, allowing John to learn about hacking, weapons and so on, and then..? The way John talks about her to his friend, he made it sounds like he's been there for YEARS, but he's like 13. I highly doubt that the guerilla guys taught a 8yo kids how to rig bombs.. TIME PARADOX
edit: You know.. How was Sarah captured? They never mentionned,or explained that. She was on the run, and hung out with the guerilla guys, allowing John to learn about hacking, weapons and so on, and then..? The way John talks about her to his friend, he made it sounds like he's been there for YEARS, but he's like 13. I highly doubt that the guerilla guys taught a 8yo kids how to rig bombs.. TIME PARADOX
I think the guys she was with trained her and she in turn trained kid Connor. She was the only one that knew how important he was for the future.
I'm sure if she asked the guys she was with to train her kid(in warfare,weapons,ect not mechanics.), they would have declined and thought she was crazy.
But as we saw in T2 she was highly trained and was simply with those guys for Connor's education.
I'm sure if she asked the guys she was with to train her kid(in warfare,weapons,ect not mechanics.), they would have declined and thought she was crazy.
But as we saw in T2 she was highly trained and was simply with those guys for Connor's education.
TheDoppelganger
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yes, a side shot, but no alternate ending.
LLaMa-Tech
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I thought the Blu Ray had story boards of the alternate ending (face off version)
Onix said:
It brings nothing. Only sideboob from Moon. Aside from TEH BEWBZ I have no idea what they added. I think we get an extra second of some guy getting shot while trying to escape the "concentration camps".
McG is such a bullshitter "bububu we cut 20 minutes out of the movie"
WickedAngel
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jett said:
20 more pages of sensible script might have made a difference but 20 minutes of footage...not quite.
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