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[Nick]

Welcome to 2007.

Speculation? I'll be there with bells on, just like every year. Even though I get bored after the first day, I still think MacWorld is a great reason to hop on a train and hang out with friends.

I think it's either Leopard or a new iPod. What a surprise.

Is it the illustrious iPhone? Is it the iPod Video? Will they vibrate for kinky women? Speculate!

 

[Rancid Mildew]

Along with your picks, obviously iTV. I think the iPhone should appear as well. Reports of the initial production run have been leaked already.

I'm holding out for a new iMac which probably won't appear until April unfortunately. I do hope Apple surprises me. The current design needs a makeover.

 

[choc_cake]

Windows Vista on Macs! Run!

Just kidding

 

[White Man]

I doubt Apple will be announcing new machines, but I wouldn't be shocked to see a processor bump.

I'm doubting the iPhone hype. For a couple reasons I won't get into here, I don't believe Apple would try to get into the telephone space (unless they have made a deal with a major cellular carrier).

iTV and Leopard, definitely. I think this will be Leopard's REAL coming out party, release dae and all.

New (True Video) iPod. . .maybe, but I think if they're at the point where they can release it now, they'll hold off for a few more months to release so they can get bigger sales.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I wouldn't get too excited. There's bound to be some interesting stuff at MacWorld, but that teaser isn't necessarily about MacWorld.

Seeing as it went up on New Year's Day, it's probably just referring to Apple's 30th anniversary year.

 

[White Man]

I wouldn't get too excited. There's bound to be some interesting stuff at MacWorld, but that teaser isn't necessarily about MacWorld.

Seeing as it went up on New Year's Day, it's probably just referring to Apple's 30th anniversary year.

2006 was Apple's 30th Anniversary. April 1st, 76.

 

[Nick]

I wouldn't get too excited. There's bound to be some interesting stuff at MacWorld, but that teaser isn't necessarily about MacWorld.

Seeing as it went up on New Year's Day, it's probably just referring to Apple's 30th anniversary year.

But it was just the beginning.

 

[Rancid Mildew]

Actually, I take back what I said about the iPod. It's totally plausible that it won't show seeing how January is a slow time for purchasing.

With the lukewarm reception to the Zune, I think Apple may hold it back and tweak it to be even better.

 

[DECK'ARD]

2006 was Apple's 30th Anniversary. April 1st, 76.

Well depends:

1976

# April 1: Apple Computer Company is founded by Steve Wozniak, Steve Jobs, and Ron Wayne.

1977

* January 3: Apple Computer, Inc. is officially created after the company is incorporated. Mike Markkula invests $92,000 in Apple, with intent to invest $250,000.

Either way, I think this is more a message to stock-holders over lots of stuff coming over this year rather than a direct reference to MacWorld.

Of course I'd like to be surprised, but it just feels a bit early for a big blow-out on stuff.

 

[White Man]

Well depends:

1976

# April 1: Apple Computer Company is founded by Steve Wozniak, Steve Jobs, and Ron Wayne.

1977

* January 3: Apple Computer, Inc. is officially created after the company is incorporated. Mike Markkula invests $92,000 in Apple, with intent to invest $250,000.

Either way, I think this is more a message to stock-holders over lots of stuff coming over this year rather than a direct reference to MacWorld.

Of course I'd like to be surprised, but it just feels a bit early for a big blow-out on stuff.

I dunno. I'm expecting something noteworthy. A year ago the Intel Macs were released, and I at least expect a celebration announcement of some sort. And they had better blow the lackluster WWDC keynote out of the water. In light of WWDC's tepidness and the recent Apple stock scandal, Apple needs to do something to keep their stocks nice and pricey.

 

[Freestyler]

What do you mean 'is it this or that', are you referring to that image? As far as I can tell it's just a general 'wow it's Apple' image, rather than hinting at a certain product.

In terms of what they will announce though, an iPhone is so definite it's not even funny. The question is, can it have enough appeal to those who could care less who their phone is made by as long as it looks good? I can't see the RAZR-buying majority of mid-range phone users queueing up to buy something that looks just the same as the iPod nano they already own. I've been very disappointed with all the mockups I've seen so far - the phone looks very sterile and won't turn heads. The Moto KRZR, now that is a sexy beast.

Leopard has done nothing but let me down so far - who cares about Time Machine? It's just a fancy GUI placed over top of generic backup software. And with the majority of Mac users (especially now that Macs are being targeted at those who aren't overly computer-savvy, with all the ads suggesting it's easy to organise your photos, music etc.) not having external Firewire drives (which they probably know nothing about), the whole point of backing up flies out the window. What are you gonna do, backup onto the same Hard drive that could die, hence you needing a backup? Unless you have a fugly external drive, it's pointless. Don't suggest iPods for the backing up either because even a 100GB iPod would fill very quickly as Time Machine 'amazingly backs up everything on your machine'. It's not like Windows where the 'Restore computer to an earlier restore point' comes in handy a shitload of the time because of screwed-up drivers that wreak havoc, because let's face it - Macs don't typically get themselves into such a state of disrepair through updated software etc., if anything's going to fail on a Mac it'll be the hardware so again, no firewire drive and you're screwed.

And now onto the video iPod rumours - so what? I see no point in having a tiny little screen that you can watch movies on, look at how well (read: not so well) the whole UMD sector of the PSP market is going. The only thing I use the video for on my iPod is porn, and even then I prefer watching it in all its' 20" glory on the iMac.

Anyway, that's the end of my rant. As you can tell, I'm not too happy with Apple's direction at the moment, but am still a dedicated fanboy and am hoping that Macworld brings me something decent.

 

[Nick]

blah BLAH blah

I have an idea: chill out. I just needed a reason to talk about MacWorld, and this new image is a perfect fit. Just like Nash said, it could be nothing.

 

[DECK'ARD]

I dunno. I'm expecting something noteworthy. A year ago the Intel Macs were released, and I at least expect a celebration announcement of some sort. And they had better blow the lackluster WWDC keynote out of the water. In light of WWDC's tepidness and the recent Apple stock scandal, Apple needs to do something to keep their stocks nice and pricey.

I expect lots of Leopard, including the rumoured new Aqua-replacement, updated iLife, and maybe a proper name and more about iTV. Possibly the rumoured 8-core MacPro as a celebration of all that is Intel, and new displays with built in iSights.

They seem to have settled on their own one-off invite-only shows for iPods and iPhone type stuff, so I'm not expecting them. It's possible the iTV might be shifted to one of them as well.

Leopard moving to the new Sun-developed filesystem might factor into it, although that seems more like DevCon stuff. From the sound of it though it would allow Time Machine to operate transparently and all the time, the way they implied it would be, rather than the daily back-up thing that totally takes the shine off the feature.

Following the trend of recent Mac events, I'm keeping expectations low. I expect more of a drip-feed from Apple these days, rather than big spectaculars.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

I know I'm paying attention to one thing and one thing only:

iTV

I've been freakin' waiting for such a device ever since Airport was shown.

 

[DECK'ARD]

If the event revolves around anything else other than Leopard, it would be the iTV.

It would mark a shift into the living room, which would be a new chapter for Apple and tie in loosely with the message that image sends.

Here's hoping it's more than just a streaming box though and has stand-alone functionality.

 

[Slurpy]

 

[Battersea Power Station]

Here's hoping it's more than just a streaming box though and has stand-alone functionality.

What kind of stuff are you looking for? Combo streamer/DVR?

I'd rather it do one thing really well and with no fuss no muss than try to handle multiple tasks, but I can see where you're coming from.

I'm more for the Googleized idea of having content available somewhere and being able to access it from a remote location without moving it, which is why the idea of iTV appeals to me.

 

[Nick]

So the iTV is touting Slingbox-like capabilities? If so, that sounds pretty hot.

 

[White Man]

So the iTV is touting Slingbox-like capabilities? If so, that sounds pretty hot.

I'm not sure if it touted them at WWDC, but it kinda has to offer something comparable if it wants to make any sort of splash now.

 

[DECK'ARD]

What kind of stuff are you looking for? Combo streamer/DVR?

I'd rather it do one thing really well and with no fuss no muss than try to handle multiple tasks, but I can see where you're coming from.

I'm more for the Googleized idea of having content available somewhere and being able to access it from a remote location without moving it, which is why the idea of iTV appeals to me.

Streaming from your PC/Mac locally is obviously nothing new or earth-shattering. Streaming from remote locations is far more interesting, but it still doesn't have the mass appeal aspect which they seemed to be suggesting it would have when it was revealed.

Integrated YouTube/GoogleVideo functionality, and direct access to the iTunes Store could be nice . To stream movie trailers etc. Maybe they are looking to people 'virtually' buying their films and music etc. and storing them remotely on their iDisk which the iTV would then access. I think Apple will be looking to a future where any content can be supplied to the consumer on-demand, and from any location. Simplying the whole thing, and providing an alternative for those people who don't want to use a PC/Mac must be one of the goals. FrontRow seems to be pointing towards that too. iPods being able to sync with the iTV would be another possibility, as it's said to include a hard-drive.

If Apple are serious about moving into the living room, and it does seem to be the next obvious step for them, the iTV will have be something more than they've suggested so far. Hence the whole 'sneak peak' thing.

 

[Battersea Power Station]

So the iTV is touting Slingbox-like capabilities? If so, that sounds pretty hot.

Yes, but in the opposite, more relevant way. Slingbox is mainly focused on getting a TV/cable/satellite signal and throwing it to your PC (as well as controlling your box remotely). Yeah, it can be cool -- but it's more of a convenience device rather than something which allows new functionality.

With iTV, the implications are huge. It allows you to throw any signal from anywhere (wirelessly) to your TV. It offers that convenience that Slingbox does, but it also does something else: it gives a strong alternative to cable/satellite services. Large numbers of people have already abandoned traditional content delivery methods for Netflix and the like. iTV has the potential to take the next step -- get rid of the disks.

For me it will rock because I'll use it to play movies backed up on my PC, but the real revolution will come when they hook it up to iTunes (or iShows or whatever). If people can rent or buy movies and shows for prices comparable to Netflix's, it will take off like nobody's business. No driving to the store, no mail, no hooking up your PC to your TV, no fuss. Just use the remote and you're set (inDemand services are already toeing this area, but with highly limited selection and clunky interface).

Show and movie downloads haven't taken off on iTunes because, as cool as computers and iPods are, the experience of a home theater system is unbeatable to many. This device has the potential to introduce digital delivery of video to the mainstream.

Apple will succeed where a lot of companies have failed (and will fail -- no games console will become the multimedia center of the living room) because they are clever, as Google are. Other companies try to put a computer in the living room, but Google and Apple see that content, not devices, are important. It's obnoxious to have a movie on a drive in your bedroom and be asked to transfer it to your office, living room, or otherwise. But when you can access the content remotely, with no rewiring and no moving of hardware... you've got something that will get everyone's attention.

 

[Drozmight]

I'm planning on buying a macbook if nothing new macbook-wise is announced.



...or not. Maybe I'll probably buy a mutual fund, and a space station instead.

 

[sprsk]

When does macworld start?

 

[DefectiveReject]

When does macworld start?

http://www.macworldexpo.com/live/20/events/20SFO07A/

Jan 9th - 10th

 

[John_B]

Yes! More IPODS!

 

[mrkgoo]

New Imac and/or MAcbook pro designs?

 

[Captain N]

How big do people expect the iTV to be when it's released? Do you guys think a lot of people will be buying this on day one or will it be something that won't catch on until the holiday season.

Also when's the Leopard supposed to be coming out? any ideas?

 

[DECK'ARD]

How big do people expect the iTV to be when it's released? Do you guys think a lot of people will be buying this on day one or will it be something that won't catch on until the holiday season.

Also when's the Leopard supposed to be coming out? any ideas?

How big the iTV will be depends how much a standalone device it is, and how closely it's tied in with the iTunes Store/YouTube/GoogleVideo etc. Streaming and delivering content over the net straight to your TV is a much bigger deal than just streaming content from your PC/Mac. I expect MacWorld to show whether they are just testing the water with it, or going for broke with something completely new.

Leopard will be Spring at the very earliest, with Summer being more likely.

 

[Captain N]

How big the iTV will be depends how much a standalone device it is, and how closely it's tied in with the iTunes Store/YouTube/GoogleVideo etc. Streaming and delivering content over the net straight to your TV is a much bigger deal than just streaming content from your PC/Mac. I expect MacWorld to show whether they are just testing the water with it, or going for broke with something completely new.

Leopard will be Spring at the very earliest, with Summer being more likely.

Will Leopard be in every mac book and all that jazz this some or just select ones? Also will they be keeping the name Leopard? I'm planning on getting myself a macbook and my girlfriend one as well. I want to make sure we've got Leopard on it so I'll have to wait and get which ever ones have them.

Any chance we'll see new color ipod videos? I want more choices then just black & white. When will Apple release their own tvs?

 

[DECK'ARD]

Will Leopard be in every mac book and all that jazz this some or just select ones? Also will they be keeping the name Leopard? I'm planning on getting myself a macbook and my girlfriend one as well. I want to make sure we've got Leopard on it so I'll have to wait and get which ever ones have them.

Any chance we'll see new color ipod videos? I want more choices then just black & white. When will Apple release their own tvs?

They are quite likely to set a rough date for Leopard at MacWorld, such as the month it will release in. All Macs around that time will ship with Leopard (also referred to as OSX 10.5).

I have a feeling they will keep the main iPods to just black and white, although you might see a Red one announced like they've done with the Nano for charity. Rumours of a Red MacBook as well.

There's (wild) rumours of a 50" display, ie. a TV, but I wouldn't hold your breath.

 

[Nick]

Yes, but in the opposite, more relevant way. Slingbox is mainly focused on getting a TV/cable/satellite signal and throwing it to your PC (as well as controlling your box remotely). Yeah, it can be cool -- but it's more of a convenience device rather than something which allows new functionality.

With iTV, the implications are huge. It allows you to throw any signal from anywhere (wirelessly) to your TV. It offers that convenience that Slingbox does, but it also does something else: it gives a strong alternative to cable/satellite services. Large numbers of people have already abandoned traditional content delivery methods for Netflix and the like. iTV has the potential to take the next step -- get rid of the disks.

For me it will rock because I'll use it to play movies backed up on my PC, but the real revolution will come when they hook it up to iTunes (or iShows or whatever). If people can rent or buy movies and shows for prices comparable to Netflix's, it will take off like nobody's business. No driving to the store, no mail, no hooking up your PC to your TV, no fuss. Just use the remote and you're set (inDemand services are already toeing this area, but with highly limited selection and clunky interface).

Show and movie downloads haven't taken off on iTunes because, as cool as computers and iPods are, the experience of a home theater system is unbeatable to many. This device has the potential to introduce digital delivery of video to the mainstream.

Apple will succeed where a lot of companies have failed (and will fail -- no games console will become the multimedia center of the living room) because they are clever, as Google are. Other companies try to put a computer in the living room, but Google and Apple see that content, not devices, are important. It's obnoxious to have a movie on a drive in your bedroom and be asked to transfer it to your office, living room, or otherwise. But when you can access the content remotely, with no rewiring and no moving of hardware... you've got something that will get everyone's attention.

This sounds amazing. You've officially got me pumped for this thing.

 

[Captain N]

when..if ever..will Apple add an AM/FM Radio into the ipod?

 

[Rancid Mildew]

Yes, but in the opposite, more relevant way. Slingbox is mainly focused on getting a TV/cable/satellite signal and throwing it to your PC (as well as controlling your box remotely). Yeah, it can be cool -- but it's more of a convenience device rather than something which allows new functionality.

With iTV, the implications are huge. It allows you to throw any signal from anywhere (wirelessly) to your TV. It offers that convenience that Slingbox does, but it also does something else: it gives a strong alternative to cable/satellite services. Large numbers of people have already abandoned traditional content delivery methods for Netflix and the like. iTV has the potential to take the next step -- get rid of the disks.

For me it will rock because I'll use it to play movies backed up on my PC, but the real revolution will come when they hook it up to iTunes (or iShows or whatever). If people can rent or buy movies and shows for prices comparable to Netflix's, it will take off like nobody's business. No driving to the store, no mail, no hooking up your PC to your TV, no fuss. Just use the remote and you're set (inDemand services are already toeing this area, but with highly limited selection and clunky interface).

Show and movie downloads haven't taken off on iTunes because, as cool as computers and iPods are, the experience of a home theater system is unbeatable to many. This device has the potential to introduce digital delivery of video to the mainstream.

Apple will succeed where a lot of companies have failed (and will fail -- no games console will become the multimedia center of the living room) because they are clever, as Google are. Other companies try to put a computer in the living room, but Google and Apple see that content, not devices, are important. It's obnoxious to have a movie on a drive in your bedroom and be asked to transfer it to your office, living room, or otherwise. But when you can access the content remotely, with no rewiring and no moving of hardware... you've got something that will get everyone's attention.

Eh. I don't know if iTV will do much for me. I suppose it will be convenient but iTunes movie content is still below DVD quality. iTunes TV shows won't even look good on a SDTV. I don't think it will fly unless the resolution is higher. This will be a very noticeable problem.

What about Dolby Digital surround processing? I don't think that's even available on iTunes movies.

Bandwidth is an issue as well. I just can't see how the content can be streamed significantly faster than onDemand or competing distribution services. Apple won't be able to solve this issue until 802.11n is standardized.

Further iTV will not be a cheap and easy solution. Along with purchasing the unit, many desktops will need to be retrofitted with wireless equipment. I don't see how that's more convenient than buying DVDs once in a while or going to the theatre weekly or having a cable guy come over and install a box.

iTunes also suffers from a lack of content. There aren't many studios backing up their movie services. I think the first iteration of iTV will meet lukewarm reception. Solutions such as MovieBeam are much better than or similar to the iTV from the convenience viewpoint yet consumers are slow to embrace.

Until something like the Kaleidescape falls down to mainstream prices, which will never happen, I see home theatre staying decidedly separate from solutions such as iTV.

If the iTV can play back content out of iTunes as well, I probably will be picking it up but we don't know that it can yet do we?

 

[maynerd]

Anyone know if the mac mini will get a core 2 duo soon?

 

[EGM92]

If there are no Tablet Macs I'll be pretty pissed off the macbook/pro are nice and all but when you're on the go taking notes from meetings, classes, friends etc you need something extremely thin, light, and powerful with nice aesthetics.

I'm expecting a lot from Leopard, I don't want another upgrade from Tiger/Panther/Jag I want a new GUI, the Burshed Metal look has been ol. I want to see the features they "invented" and claim as their own. The latest leak is nothing to write home about but it was clear that there was a lot missing from the OS itself so hopefully EVERYTHING will be released on the 9th of this month and give me a reason to spend another 130$ this winter.

 

[Phoenix]

Windows Vista on Macs! Run!

Just kidding

Already runs on Macs via either Boot Camp or Parallels In fact, I have it running on my machine right now...

 

[wasting]

Jan 9th - 10th

Plus CES 8th - 11th, next week is going to be amazing.

apple, iphone please.

 

[Ghost]

Plus CES 8th - 11th, next week is going to be amazing.

apple, iphone please.

iphone has already been announced:

Apples naming system has been rosebudded.

 

[Lathentar]

Cisco with the iPhone name since the 90s!

Big win for them.

 

[Phoenix]

when..if ever..will Apple add an AM/FM Radio into the ipod?

5th of never. I actually wonder how many people would cart around thousands of their own songs which can be played in vivid digital quality - then listen to AM/FM radio.

 

[Phoenix]

Dup.

 

[Phoenix]

If there are no Tablet Macs I'll be pretty pissed off the macbook/pro are nice and all but when you're on the go taking notes from meetings, classes, friends etc you need something extremely thin, light, and powerful with nice aesthetics.

 

[Mason]

iphone has already been announced:

Apples naming system has been rosebudded.

I never really thought Apple would call it iPhone anyway. Something like iCall or iTalk (is that already in use?) would be better.

 

[Phoenix]

Or just call it iChat. You already own the IP and it seems to be pretty clear that there will be some connection between iChat (software) and the phone. That will also mean that iChat will finally make an appearance on Windows - which would be a good thing because many of the new features coming into iChat for desktop sharing and the like are completely useless in a heterogeneous work environment.

 

[White Man]

Or just call it iChat. You already own the IP and it seems to be pretty clear that there will be some connection between iChat (software) and the phone. That will also mean that iChat will finally make an appearance on Windows - which would be a good thing because many of the new features coming into iChat for desktop sharing and the like are completely useless in a heterogeneous work environment.

I think this is a good idea, especially if it means it would get Apple to finally support MSN Messenger. That's the only thing that keeps me from using iChat.

 

[SuperPac]

Eh. I don't know if iTV will do much for me. I suppose it will be convenient but iTunes movie content is still below DVD quality. iTunes TV shows won't even look good on a SDTV. I don't think it will fly unless the resolution is higher. This will be a very noticeable problem.

Just like last fall's resolution bump, I'd expect the announcement of iTV to be accompanied by an announcement that they're bumping the video quality to HD. In fact I'd say you can pretty much count on this happening.

What about Dolby Digital surround processing? I don't think that's even available on iTunes movies.

Well, the iTV has an optical audio jack in the back, component video and HDMI out. There'd be no reason to include those if it couldn't output it.

Bandwidth is an issue as well. I just can't see how the content can be streamed significantly faster than onDemand or competing distribution services. Apple won't be able to solve this issue until 802.11n is standardized.

Keep in mind that Microsoft is streaming movies on Xbox 360 right now. Apple did just buy a very large data center last year, rumored to be used to do something like this...

Further iTV will not be a cheap and easy solution. Along with purchasing the unit, many desktops will need to be retrofitted with wireless equipment. I don't see how that's more convenient than buying DVDs once in a while or going to the theatre weekly or having a cable guy come over and install a box.

Apple's been shipping Macs with Airport cards in them as standard for a couple years now. So, for quite a lot of Mac owners this is not going to be an issue at all.

iTunes also suffers from a lack of content. There aren't many studios backing up their movie services. I think the first iteration of iTV will meet lukewarm reception. Solutions such as MovieBeam are much better than or similar to the iTV from the convenience viewpoint yet consumers are slow to embrace.

It was the same with iTunes and music at first. But you've gotta admit, starting with TV shows and movies (mostly from Disney) is a helluva start. You have to start somewhere, and I think the only thing currently holding them back is that you can't watch the content from the living room. iTV will solve that problem. I actually think an iTV service would be a lot better than what Microsoft has for 360, considering that Apple will no doubt let you view your purchased movie/video from the iTV, your iPod or your computer. In fact I would imagine it syncs right up with your iPod so that you could continue watching a movie you started at home on the iTV somewhere else from your iPod. For "Season Passes" of TV shows and the like this will be very convenient.

Until something like the Kaleidescape falls down to mainstream prices, which will never happen, I see home theatre staying decidedly separate from solutions such as iTV.

I don't know what a Kaleidescape is, but at the $299 price Apple's already said they wanna launch it at, this is a consumer-friendly device. Part of the appeal, I think, *will* be to home theater folk, but Apple is likely going to cast their net a lot wider than that. iTunes for your TV. Huge mainstream appeal.

If the iTV can play back content out of iTunes as well, I probably will be picking it up but we don't know that it can yet do we?

Of course it will. It'll probably do everything Front Row already does. Only from a TV and not your computer.

 

[Phobophile]

I think this is a good idea, especially if it means it would get Apple to finally support MSN Messenger. That's the only thing that keeps me from using iChat.

Agreed. Google Talk would be nice too, but not imperative. The only person I use it with is my sister, and even then, we usually just talk on AIM.

 

[Phoenix]

Agreed. Google Talk would be nice too, but not imperative. The only person I use it with is my sister, and even then, we usually just talk on AIM.

Google Talk you can already do since Google Talk is simply an implementation of the open source jabber protocol.

http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24076


There is also apparently a way to use this to talk to Yahoo and MSN Messenger, but I haven't seriously looked into it.


edit:

Actually here is the information for talking to MSN and Yahoo:
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http://allforces.com/2005/05/06/ichat-to-msn-through-jabber/

 

[TheWolf]

do you have to do anything special to get Vista to run with Bootcamp, or is it just like the XP install?

 

[White Man]

Google Talk you can already do since Google Talk is simply an implementation of the open source jabber protocol.

http://www.google.com/support/talk/bin/answer.py?answer=24076


There is also apparently a way to use this to talk to Yahoo and MSN Messenger, but I haven't seriously looked into it.


edit:

Actually here is the information for talking to MSN and Yahoo:
\

http://allforces.com/2005/05/06/ichat-to-msn-through-jabber/

I tried some of the MSN tricks some months back, and I couldn't get any of them to work. It also appears that there are many compromises made to the MSN service when you log in via iChat, since you're tricking it into working.

Still, it's been a couple months. I'll check your link and see if I can get it to work.