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[clemenx]

I don't have anything to add beyond the title. I can work on finding some sources in english later. I'm just beyond heartbroken right now.

They're using live rounds today almost exclusively. Also the ARMY is out there for the first time as opposed to the national guard.

AFP Tweet informing of the death of a 13 and 17 year old
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/891765503756296193

Nikki Hailey (US UN ambassador) tweet
https://twitter.com/nikkihaley/status/891768738239979522

 

[How About No]

christ...

 

[Admiral Woofington]

It's heartbreaking that the country has turned into this. My heart goes out to the Venezuelan people.

 

[deadlast]

That is horrible.
Hasn't the average Venezuelan lost 19 lbs since this crisis has started.
I hope things get better down there.

 

[Sesha]

Monstrous.

 

[qcf x2]

And things are going to get worse once he's confirmed as dictator. My heart hurts for Venezuela.

 

[Xe4]

Fuck Maduro. I hope everyone in Venezuela ends up ok.
Venezuela-GAF stay safe...

 

[Insane Metal]

I don't see how the Venezuelans can get free from this piece of shit unless he dies. So I hope that happens. Despicable being.

 

[Harl3]

Can't believe how cowards are the national guards in the country.

 

[Kin5290]

Wasn't the Army staying removed from all of the violence before? Wouldn't the fact that the Army is now shooting at dissidents be a turn for the worse?

 

[Silent Chief]

So, who is still supporting Mad Uro?
It seems to me most of the population should be against him at this point.

 

[michaelius]

So, who is still supporting Mad Uro?
It seems to me most of the population should be against him at this point.

As long as army is loyal it won't matter.

 

[JCG]

I hope that there will eventually be a solution, something that can bring the current regime to an end with the minimum possible amount of violence.

However, I hate how certain despicable individuals from other countries are gaining political points by using the Venezuelan crisis as a prop for their own ambitions.

 

[torta_smasher]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

 

[ForkNetwork]

So, who is still supporting Mad Uro?
It seems to me most of the population should be against him at this point.

bureaucracy, theres many that support him because he literally gifts him money and food

Also the army is still supporting him

 

[Easy_D]

He's very popular? I'm confident in saying that every gaffer from Venezuela has called him a wide assortment of insulting words.

 

[enanogrande]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

Get the fuck out of here, this is a los of bullshit and you eithe know it and are trolling or are helplessly ignorant. I can't stand any more of this bullshit form posters like you.

 

[Beartruck]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

We have a very long thread here from a user who is leaving Venezuela to go to Canada because he can't get food without threat of being arrested. Forgive me if I don't believe you.

 

[gutter_trash]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

You posted this while wearing your Ché t-shirt?

Portugal (Madeira) are receiving a record number of Venezuelans of Portuguese decent fleeing Venezuela en masse. It's all over the news in Portugal.

So please stop with the Karl Marx Kool-Aid

 

[Stinkles]

christ...

Don't worry gaf has an enthusiastic defense force for the murderous bus driver but it won't say anything in this thread but will show up to say "but whatabout America in a less controversial one.


EDIT: I was wrong and a "socialist " edgelord popped in to say this is US propaganda with nary a paragraph break.

Smfh

 

[Jackpot]

The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

People are starving so much that there are regular food riots and the army attacks neighbouring countries to steal their chickens. And even before all that Caracas had the highest murder rate of any city in the world, mainly because the police and army were the ones organising the really lucrative crimes.

 

[moffattron9000]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

The guy has a 17% approval rating. 72% of the country disagree with his assembly.

 

[Jackpot]

The guy has a 17% approval rating. 72% of the country disagree with his assembly.

"the high 60s, I tell ya!"

 

[Stinkles]

Oh and Torta Smasher is a junior member who joined in 2011 and has only recently started posting regularly. Amazing how many of these completely legitimate conversationalists have so many opinions about the US and its corrupt media.

 

[Karkador]

The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

Nobody is threatened by the way things are going in Venezuela. What IS frightening is how many people are getting arrested, starved, or killed.

 

[gdt]

Seems like this is a turning point here.

 

[Jenov]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

Yeesh. You need to start considering if you're on the wrong side there, bud. Don't you see a difference between the free media of other countries vs a controlled government media? Blaming the "west" boogeyman as the source of Venezuela's current woes is a common tactic to misdirect from the truth of the situation.

 

[ibyea]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

The Bolivarian revolution was popular, in the past tense. Until their handling of oil and currency manipulation bit them back in the ass and sent Venezuela in a downward spiral of hyperinflation and scarcity. Not to mention PSUV has lately shown to have zero respect for democratic tradition.

 

[Stinkles]

Yeesh. You need to start considering if you're on the wrong side there, bud. Don't you see a difference between the free media of other countries vs a controlled government media? Blaming the "west" boogeyman as the source Venezuela's current woes is common tactic to misdirect from the truth of the situation.

This was one of his last posts before today.

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=195624317


I'm sure I am paranoid and I apologize in advance for besmirching his account or intent. Definitely me being irrational.

 

[torta_smasher]

My main point I was trying to make with my earlier post was that Venezuela is mostly so one sided in the way it has been portrayed that it's hard to take anything at face value. I'm not dismissing any bad shit that goes down there nor am I saying that the current govt there is the best. I'm not in a position to make that call. I am in the position to question whether smacking everything with a hammer is a good solution.
This is just my opinion

 

[Frozenprince]

Wow Maduro even has plants on NeoGAF of all places.

 

[clemenx]

My main point I was trying to make with my earlier post was that Venezuela is mostly so one sided in the way it has been portrayed that it's hard to take anything at face value. I'm not dismissing any bad shit that goes down there nor am I saying that the current govt there is the best. I'm not in a position to make that call. I am in the position to question whether smacking everything with a hammer is a good solution.
This is just my opinion

Go fuck yourself buddy.

 

[Frozenprince]

Killing dissidents is literally dictatorship 101, Chavez did it, why would his prized disciple be different?

Why the fuck am I even typing this, waste of time.

Go study Venezuela's tragic history then get back to this thread.

 

[Stinkles]

My main point I was trying to make with my earlier post was that Venezuela is mostly so one sided in the way it has been portrayed that it's hard to take anything at face value. I'm not dismissing any bad shit that goes down there nor am I saying that the current govt there is the best. I'm not in a position to make that call. I am in the position to question whether smacking everything with a hammer is a good solution.
This is just my opinion

You actually just posted that the western media was reporting on the situation dishonestly and that Maduro was actually popular with Venezuelans.

 

[feel]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

I live in Venezuela. Just.. sigh.

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU and all the people like you for spreading bullshit like this to people outside the country. You ignorant or sold-out piece of shit. You're disgusting and I wish you all the worst things possible, just FUCK YOU.


See you all after the ban if I don't get a perma (or murdered by the government).

 

[Stinkles]

I live in Venezuela. Just.. sigh.

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU and all the people like you for spreading bullshit like this to people outside the country. You ignorant or sold-out piece of shit. You're disgusting and I wish you all the worst things possible, just FUCK YOU.


See you all after the ban if I don't get a perma (or murdered by the government).

I support your swearing and your rage is backed by actual numbers and reporting in this very thread. And torta smasher already showed his ass by realizing his last burner might be in jeopardy and tried to walk it back.

 

[ibyea]

My main point I was trying to make with my earlier post was that Venezuela is mostly so one sided in the way it has been portrayed that it's hard to take anything at face value. I'm not dismissing any bad shit that goes down there nor am I saying that the current govt there is the best. I'm not in a position to make that call. I am in the position to question whether smacking everything with a hammer is a good solution.
This is just my opinion

Then why are you yammering on with your opinion if you are not in a position to make the call?

 

[Frozenprince]

14 people are dead but somebody needs to use it as a tool to go "socialism is good tho you gais".

Like honestly just how little fucking empathy must one have?

 

[Jackpot]

This is just my opinion

What an eloquent and totally not worn-out defence.

 

[Palette Swap]

I'll make sure tomorrow to tell my Venezuelan coworker that the real reason she can't go back there is that she can't deal with the popularity of the Bolivarian revolution, that heaven on earth that we all pine for.

Or you know, Maduro is a murderous piece of shit and it doesn't reflect well on you when you go caping for that kind of scum.

 

[Dubbedinenglish]

Maduro may be the only other leader more outright stupid than Trump. He keeps pushing people with no recourse, his head will be the one rolling.

 

[Frozenprince]

My opinion is that anybody that denies war crimes is a repugnant blight on humanity as a species.

Opinions are FUN aren't they?

 

[harriet the spy]

GAF truly has a defense force for anything. Anything.

Maduro may be the only other leader more outright stupid than Trump. He keeps pushing people with no recourse, his head will be the one rolling.

For all his faults I don't think Chavez was an idiot. It's surprising he chose someone as bone headed as maduro to succeed him.

 

[Palette Swap]

Maduro may be the only other leader more outright stupid than Trump. He keeps pushing people with no recourse, his head will be the one rolling.

I saw him earlier harping on the unfairness of the press, how it was an enemy of the people, and I could have sworn he had lifted that shit from Trump, word for word.

 

[ibyea]

14 people are dead but somebody needs to use it as a tool to go "socialism is good tho you gais".

Like honestly just how little fucking empathy must one have?

Heck, I am a socialist and I think one of the worst things too many leftist do is defend any sort of leftist inspired fuckery just to prop up their own ideology even though they wouldn't tolerate them in their own country.

 

[Anticol]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

What the fuck are you talking about??
Are you from Venezuela or know anything about their situation? If not stfu you pos.

 

[kess]

My main point I was trying to make with my earlier post was that Venezuela is mostly so one sided in the way it has been portrayed that it's hard to take anything at face value. I'm not dismissing any bad shit that goes down there nor am I saying that the current govt there is the best. I'm not in a position to make that call. I am in the position to question whether smacking everything with a hammer is a good solution.
This is just my opinion

Jill Stein has a GAF account?

 

[Linkark07]

The media is crazy in how Venezuela is covered. These attacks were from the opposition party. (Opposition party who is completely backed by the US) It seems that the best course of action is to constantly have the opposition attack and protest while having the media portray it as another one of Maduros dirty tricks. It is seriously discouraging when so much of the western media continue to question when will Maduro step down. He was democratically elected by his own people and last I checked is very popular there. He is somewhere in the 60's of approval ratings. More popular than the Mexican president, Colombian president and the illegitimate Michel Temer of Brazil yet Venezuela is always on the cross hairs for regime change. The constituent assembly is radical for several reasons but the most frightening to the west is the fact that it gives more power to the people in decision making and planning for local areas in Valenzuela. The opposition is ENCOURAGED to join in on the assembly but they want no part in it. Gee I wonder why?..
I have family friends out there in Venezuela and the one constant thing they hate about the media is how they don't cover things straight. The Bolivarian revolution is popular for a reason and I can see why the West is frightened by that..

Dude, you can try to deceive yourself, but you can't deceive anyone else. Maduro is destroying your country. The Chavismo is leaving people starving. People are dying because Maduro and his cronies don't want to step down and let other people try and save your country.

And where do you get those statistics? According to Reuters, and that was November of last year, he had 19.5% of approval. Situation is even worse these days. And if you noticed today's news, hardly anyone went to vote for that fraud Maduro wants to do.

Source, if you don't believe me.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKBN1AE0JO

Unless of course, this is fake news and another attempt by west media to discredit Maduro's Government..

 

[moffattron9000]

14 people are dead but somebody needs to use it as a tool to go "socialism is good tho you gais".

Like honestly just how little fucking empathy must one have?

Part of me gets it. Looking at history, Socialism is a pretty discredited ideology. If you identify as a Socialist, there really aren't really any cases of it working outside of Scandinavia (which is very Capitalist, just with a large safety net). So you cling onto what you can get, and when oil was at its peak, Venezuela was a pretty good thing to cling onto.

Now that being said (and to make myself look like a massive hypocrite), this shouldn't be about ideology. This is a dictator tearing his nation apart in a desperate attempt to hold onto power, and we should support a peaceful transfer of power. Unfortunately, this will probably not end up that way.

 

[Eylos]

I'm a socialist, and i believe in democracy, i think the only way to stability in Venezuela is fair elections, i think the power should be given to the people to choose the next president.