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Magic: the Gathering |OT12| Hour of Devastation - Hour of Jace getting dunked on
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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I wish they'd redesign the PW frame, it's terrible with all the oval shapes. A legacy from Future Sight that should long have been rectified.
Yeah we've talked about triggered abilities before with PW and them wanting to go through more regular designs first but I don't think cycling actually falls under that being activated and only of relevance in hand.
reddit said 0-2-1 in limited.
Infinite Stars
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I'm confused, so how did Amaz do in the first day?
Because 0-2-1 +4-4 implies that we had 11 rounds.
Because 0-2-1 +4-4 implies that we had 11 rounds.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
4-1 standard either 0-3 or 0-2-1 in limited
SigmasonicX
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Will probably make a thread for the HasCon cards later today, after the news calms down. It got a good response in the Transformers Community thread.
They're trying to dissuade flippers w/ the SDCC stuff, it ended up at like 160-ish this year. Can't blame em.
charlequin
Banned
I mean if anything the Planeswalker frame was the antecedent to the Magic 2015 frame -- it's got the same rounded corners, same non-rectangle swoopy shape, same white-on-black legal text.
I agree it shouldn't really, I just think they kinda consider it the same bucket.
I think all three are pretty good gimmicks and reasonably designed cards given the brands they're targeting, and the Sword gives me a pretty good feeling about Unstable -- it's cute but not in an obnoxious way, and it's clearly designed to be actually usable as a real card in things like Commander or Cube.
Not a rhetorical question: do you think they really benefit more from doing it this way than just, say, tripling the print run and making it more plausible for people to easily get at the show?
Funko makes tiny runs of Pops for SDCC (like 500), prices them at $10, and they eBay for like $500.
I think once you decide on a print run it's better to try and guess the market rate based on past years instead of letting people just stockpile en masse to flip.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Sure but those are design features I'm speaking of the framing of the art mostly which is oval for PWs but still perfectly rectangular for the m15 frame. For the same reason, and others, I loathe Zendikar full art land frames these days.
Unhinged got it right.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
This is what I'm referring to
Kirblar is right with the old art looking terrible in it though.
I like the m15 frame, it's easily recognizable and easy on the eyes but PW frame is doing way too much compared, I like the full art and the art trasncedning the frame that's fine but everyhting else is kinda overdesigned. So many edges and curves. Like why is there an addittional indent on the bottom above the hologram?
Kirblar is right with the old art looking terrible in it though.
Yeah, he won very convincingly.
charlequin
Banned
Maro answered sigma's ask and said that the "transform" thing is only for Grimlock, which honestly kind of makes it weirder.
That makes sense, yeah.
Ahh, okay. Yeah there are some weird issues with the planeswalker frame. I don't think the rounded bottom is an issue but there's no reason for the art box to have oval edges instead of just curved corners like the text box, and the uneven shape of the type line and the little flanges at the bottom are distracting.
To be honest, I think they need to do another frame redesign. The core of M15 is good (and now that we've had it for a while, clearly an improvement over 8E imo) but there's still other stuff they should tweak. I think they should start using the Future Sight type icons all the time (they could put them where the DFC indicators go, since we know that doesn't negatively impact the design) and maybe make use of a few other advancements, like using a special frame treatment with P/T box for every non-creature that can animate.
The Unglued lands are still my favorite overall cards holistically speaking (dat Nielsen forest!) but these are easily the best full-art frames, just because they focus 100% on maximizing the art space on the card.
That makes sense, yeah.
Ahh, okay. Yeah there are some weird issues with the planeswalker frame. I don't think the rounded bottom is an issue but there's no reason for the art box to have oval edges instead of just curved corners like the text box, and the uneven shape of the type line and the little flanges at the bottom are distracting.
To be honest, I think they need to do another frame redesign. The core of M15 is good (and now that we've had it for a while, clearly an improvement over 8E imo) but there's still other stuff they should tweak. I think they should start using the Future Sight type icons all the time (they could put them where the DFC indicators go, since we know that doesn't negatively impact the design) and maybe make use of a few other advancements, like using a special frame treatment with P/T box for every non-creature that can animate.
The Unglued lands are still my favorite overall cards holistically speaking (dat Nielsen forest!) but these are easily the best full-art frames, just because they focus 100% on maximizing the art space on the card.
SigmasonicX
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This guy claims that they legally can't say Transformers transform. Which is weird, but just weird enough to be true.
Yeah, this matches with what I remember of the arcane weirdness of the HEX/MTG lawsuit.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Unhinged lands with a proper typeline below the art would be the perfect frame, set symbol stuck in the border is terrible, but yeah the art on unglued ones is superior. The tap symbol on top is bothering me during play a lot otoh, I end up untapping them upside down on a regular basis
A unification and tightening of the current frame sounds about right. As a leftie the FS type icons are of no concern to me but I don't see the harm in them either.
And yeah vehicles having a regular PT box is distracting while manlands not having them drowns them among regular lands. Unique designs could solve both issues. Manlands getting PT boxes would also simplify rules and templating governing them.
SigmasonicX
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Thread for the HasCon cards, and charlequin, mind changing the "theme" to "themed" in the title?
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
This Sam black deck looks so sweet. Just a bunch of fatties taken on a ride by some avens.
Cheon looking tight today his suit yesterday was a bit dull.
This segment is great btw.
Cheon looking tight today his suit yesterday was a bit dull.
This segment is great btw.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
This has been the most honest piece of coverage wizards has ever put out since I've started watching.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
It probably means he doesn't have custody of his kid :-(
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
or that he and Gaby are trying to conceive.
someone stop me
I miss Gaby on coverage no idea why she's been relegated to just being a spotter.
charlequin
Banned
LSV literally announced right when he first decided to do this that it'd be for one year, Kaladesh through Hour of Devastation?
If I were Frank, i'd have scooped and dropped to go get dinner if I was involved in this game at FNM
Yeah, and they froze the platinum he earned the last season he played in as well.
It made sense, as a new father, that he could do commentary and not have to spend 1-2 weeks before each pro tour away from his family testing, but it looks like he did the same amount of travel this year (still doing testing for the PT so he could talk better about the formats), so who knows.
Yeah, and they froze the platinum he earned the last season he played in as well.
It made sense, as a new father, that he could do commentary and not have to spend 1-2 weeks before each pro tour away from his family testing, but it looks like he did the same amount of travel this year (still doing testing for the PT so he could talk better about the formats), so who knows.
I love Finkel (and Karsten), what a great match.
I did not remember that.
Can you win against monored at all? Seems like mill would be both too slow and too uninteractive to do anything against it.
I did not remember that.
Can you win against monored at all? Seems like mill would be both too slow and too uninteractive to do anything against it.
Had a pretty sweet BW zombie deck in draft tonight. Liliana's Mastery, Lord of the Accursed, Unraveling Mummy & Unconventional Tactics. All but 3 of my creatures were zombies, too (non-zombies were Banewhip Punisher, Angel of the God-Pharaoh & Soul Scrounger). Tactics won me a lot of games. It's the first time I actually got to play it in an all-in zombie deck. It performed even better than expected.
Haven't faced the deck, so I couldn't tell you. Based on what I have though, I'm sure I would play the tempo game and try to slow them down. Either that or go for Fraying Sanity x2 + Startled, which should end things on turn 5.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Couldn't you merge the oketra's monument and god pharao's gift decks through a trasnformative sideboard?
Finally Amaz he 3-0d his draft. Uh UR control is a terrible matchup for Zombies from my experience.
Finally Amaz he 3-0d his draft. Uh UR control is a terrible matchup for Zombies from my experience.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
damn amaz walked into that abrade, too tempting to save the token when post damage would have been hedging against removal
SigmasonicX
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Explanation for Transformers and transform from its community thread.
SigmasonicX
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Just checking in. Ooh, Locust God is seeing play?
That matchup seems basically unwinnable for zombies.
That's the first time it has showed up so far, but he was so far ahead he didn't need to cast it.
That's the first time it has showed up so far, but he was so far ahead he didn't need to cast it.
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