Well, even considering the things that you could do which you couldn't do now, most aren't as interested in digital software compared to physical software. I think that even if it was all explain perfectly, it probably would have still been unpopular in the end. For every one of me, there would probably be five people who would rather have physical games remain as they are, so it made sense to reverse course after seeing the feedback.
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Major Nelson: Both PS4/Xbox One will "sell a ton", online hate "needs to go away"
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Well, even considering the things that you could do which you couldn't do now, most aren't as interested in digital software compared to physical software. I think that even if it was all explain perfectly, it probably would have still been unpopular in the end. For every one of me, there would probably be five people who would rather have physical games remain as they are, so it made sense to reverse course after seeing the feedback.
gioGAF
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Because it is a garbage tactic that Microsoft generally employs. MS removes the game from another platform, they usually don't create anything new. Without MS interference, a game like Titanfall would have been available to all gamers.
I don't see how Sony does the "same thing". Sure they have platform exclusives, but they usually fund them or own the studios that create them. Without Sony you wouldn't even be getting some of those games.
MS policy for exclusives only subtracts, they hardly ever add anything.
Not quite.
MS paid EA to take Titanfall away from PS3/4 owners.
MS paid Capcom to make DR3
You see, the first one is bad for consumers as it means less people play the game, the game was always going to be made and was originally going to be made for more consoles.
The second one is great because MS fund the development of the game and help make the game. This means Xbox owners gain a game thanks to MS paying Capcom.
Moneyhatting sucks when it takes a game away from some players.
I love you for spelling this out. There are some positives that get umbrella'd together in the "money hatting" accusation that are off-base as far as I'm concerned. Actually funding a game's development is good for everyone (i.e. Nintendo w/ Bayonetta 2).
anexanhume
Member
Don't forget Sony and Shenmue 3!
NOEQUALibrium
Banned
What's the issue with picking a side? We will be picking sides when the Superbowl is played in February. We will pick sides when the NBA Finals come along. We are competitive and want to see our team/side win.
Major Nelson dubbing the term as "hate" is ridiculous. Someone needs to ask him who he is picking for the Superbowl. For the team he isn't choosing, we need to call him out for "hating" the other side.
With that being said, the "hate" will not go away because it has been around since the beginning of time.
Major Nelson dubbing the term as "hate" is ridiculous. Someone needs to ask him who he is picking for the Superbowl. For the team he isn't choosing, we need to call him out for "hating" the other side.
With that being said, the "hate" will not go away because it has been around since the beginning of time.
cyber_ninja
Member
So Mr. Larry "Flipswitch" pretends to be a good guy now. A little too late imo, damage's already done; we know who you are no hypocrisy needed at this point.
I find it strange that people treat corporations with the same unwavering admiration and loyalty that they treat sports teams. It just feels way different.
ROAD HOUSE!
cyber_ninja
Member
You do realise that sports teams are businesses as well, right?
Goodacre0081
Member
and they've been doing it a lot. CoD map packs, BF4 second assault, Peggle2, PvZ, and the old GTA4 episode deal. all of these deals set out to do one thing and that is to deny the content to their competitions user base in an attempt to garner sales for their own system. I also realize Sony has done this too with BF3 and AC but Microsoft is the master of this tactic.
geordiemp
Member
I don't really care that much except for Titanfall, they put allot of money into many things that is not important...NFL , TV, map packs early, adverts, marketing, Halo TV shows....Kinect with no kinect games...I could go on for ages..
Maybe if they had spent some money on a decent GPU and faster memory I would have bought one.
Right. And we all hate the 'business' side. I love the New Jersey Devils, and I buy everything with Martin Brodeur's name on. I still hate Gary Bettman and everything that is done on the business end. Team sports are literally competitive. The entire basis of entertainment is 1v1, team vs team, region vs regions, as you root for your team to make it to the finals. Without the competition and the 'picking sides', there is nothing.
Treating corporations in the same way is completely different. If McDonalds drives Burger King out of business, why the fuck should I care (as a McDonalds fan). I can still eat at McDonalds regardless, only now there is no Burger King. One less competitior, and one less restaurant-alternative for others to enjoy. To root for one is to literally root for the homogenisation of the entire industry and to take away the alternatives that other people prefer.
How are these the same?
NullPointer
Member
They're ecosystems that are designed to lock you in. This is what they're made to do.
Its to be expected when people invest their money and social life in closed proprietary systems.
FonkyByNature
Member
What ? lol come on man, as much as i love my PS4. Sony are a bunch of assholes too when it comes to platform exclusives. Were you playing games in the PS2 generation ? because at that time Sony took way more games from players than Microsoft could in 3 generations. Metal Gear Solid 2 and GTA comes to mind... If Sony had the money to lock TitanFall, they would have done it already but Sony are broke so...
Bottom line, it's called competition and i want the company from whom i bought the console to bring the best possible. I don't care if it's company X or Y, i just want the best exclusives from both MS and Sony. MS worked hard to bring TitanFall to Xbox One and pleased their fans by doing so. If Sony could do the same, believe me they would do it.
GoofsterStud
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Lol... Joke post?
I don't think Sony ever paid money for those games...
Goodacre0081
Member
Titianfall was always coming to the XB1 anyway, MS simply went out of their way to cancel a potential PS4 version. but if this is what you want from MS, then by all means applaud them for fucking over the people who own PS4's who would have liked to play the game on that system.
Did Sony pay for most of the exclusive games on the PS2? It has so many exclusives that I always assumed that was because Sony had most of the market share and therefore influence on what publishers released on, not because Sony paid to take it away.
Also, Metal Gear Solid 2:Substance was released on Xbox a year later so not sure where that came from.
Raoul Duke
Banned
I don't know where you're from, but most teams are basically corporations.
Yeah man, cutting those cheques is real hard work...
We can't forget Sony Too™, can we?
Both MGS2 and GTAIII were released on the PS2 before the Xbox was even launched (not to mention that MGS2 and all three GTA games were eventually released for the Xbox).
Stop trying so hard.
SolidSnakex
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I think many PS2 exclusives were just a result of how big the console was. But at least in the case of GTA we know that Sony had a contract with TT (they announced it at E3 2002). Sony actually let them out of it early as their original contract said the entire series would be exclusive to PS2 through 2004.
This may surprise you, but the Xbox One being weaker doesn't necessarily mean it was cheaper. A lot of the power gap is down to design choices (needing to guarantee 8GB of RAM earlier, when 8GB of GDDR5 seemed unfeasible). Anyway, I'm glad they didn't remove all the differentiating aspects of the X1, just so that you would have slightly fewer reasons to not buy it and get a PS4 instead. I kinda like the idea that a different console offers a different choice in what it provides. What would be the point in having two PS4's on the market that simply couldn't play each other's library?
Yea, that post was just silly. Sony had so many exclusives on the PS2 for pretty much the same reason the Wii U isn't getting many games. They had so much of the market, it just wasn't worth people's time to port things over quite often. You may as well just use that time to get started on another PS2 game. It's like iOS vs Windows Phone today.
Shoehorning suggests that they are forced in but don't fit.
MS have been designing games around microtransactions.
Context, how does it work?
MikeOfTheLivingDead
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Version 3.0
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Hold it right there. That's not how it happens...at least, generally not unless Microsoft is involved. If Burger King goes under, it's because customers chose McDonald's. Not because McDonald's bought all the cows they could and denied Burger King the beef supply. Not because McDonald's paid people not to eat at Burger King. Not because McDonald's had a much more lucrative business selling water, and took billions in losses so they could compete unfairly.
No, if Burger King goes under, it would be because McDonald's had a better product, which they came up with by giving taste tests and figuring out what people liked best, and wanted to buy.
Meanwhile, Burger King has changed their slogan to "you'll eat what we tell you and like it", and strangely enough, their biggest fans haven't even noticed that they slowly replaced the high quality beef they used to serve with ground intestines - without cleaning them particularly well first.
dgrdsv
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During the time of PS2 and Xbox programming was a big article in a game's budget and thus having an Xbox version of a PS2 game propelled the costs of making a game quite considerably while Xbox install base wasn't high enough to guarantee a good ROI.
Now most of a game's budget is going into the art and assets production while programming costs are relatively small making multiplatform development more viable for a lot of titles.
It basically boils down to no reason to not go multiplatform currently against a clear economical reason to make only a PS2 version during the PS2/Xbox/GCN era. So now a platform holder is paying for an exclusive - 1st party or 2nd party one - while previously it was economics which drove the creation of 3rd party exclusives.
3rd party exclusives are dead in general.
Well, McDonalds may have found a field of magical cows for beef and cheese that was massively better than anywhere else, and could have paid the owner of the animals to only supply them.
Hey, it could happen!!
dreamcastmaster
Banned
Not quite, the contract was that the titles GTAIII and Vice city were to stay off the Xbox. So Take 2 looked at the contract found the loophole and just released GTA Double Pack for the Xbox instead. GTA Double Pack being a different product even though it contained 2 titles. Sony were mad.
No competition generally means higher prices and poorer quality. As a McDonalds fan you would want there to be competition.
Yes, this is truly the post of a mature gamer.
symmetrical
Member
Finally someone gets it.
It's like his 8 years of his smear campaign against the PS3 is going unnoticed. He's only "acting" the way he is simply because the PS4 is outselling the shit out of the xbox world wide.
It is only natural for competitors to be replaced. What is unnatural is for you to tell everyone to keep eating shitty burgers just so that a poorly performing competitor is artificially sustained. What you are suggesting is the antithesis to a natural free marketplace.
walltowall
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Sounds like the old days of SNES and Genesis. Street Fighter 2' Special Championship Edition comes to mind.
So MS didn't work on the Azure platform for the X1 on the back of Respawns suggestions? Which probably started the run up to getting free dedicated servers.
I'm all up for talking about bad business practices, but what you're saying is purely just business. If the shoe was on the other foot, it would of been the exact same story. Didn't anyone read the story from Vince at Respawn where he said he pitched the idea to both MS and Sony and Microsoft's solution simply sounded more supportive of the concept?