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[CrankyJay]

She has brain damage as a result? WTF how hard did he hit her?

According to witnesses, he hit her so hard she left her feet, but I believe the real damage was her hitting her head on the pavement when she landed.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

She has brain damage as a result? WTF how hard did he hit her?

Our heads are hilariously fragile and she probably took the damage when she hit the ground.

 

[Neki]

She has brain damage as a result? WTF how hard did he hit her?

multiply the weight of the head by gravity + her innate acceleration as she hits the ground.

 

[Davidion]

There's little point to arguing over this, since just about none of us knows what happened, though as the person that's not knocked the fuck out in a goddamn coma, I'm going to have to be just a tad more skeptical of his position for the time being.

Nonetheless, this IS a New York City parking space. So to quote Chris Rock: "Now I'm not saying he should have killed her... but I understand."

 

[SmokyDave]

This is a perfect example of what I mean. If you would have defended yourself like a man was attacking you I'm sure you would still have the flesh in your shoulder.

You're not wrong but I still wouldn't change anything if it happened again. I can heal skin, I can't live with myself if I'm sent to prison for decking a woman.

It has nothing to do with violent crime. By saying "just find another parking space", I know you don't understand how parking is in NY. There are times in NY where there actually isn't "just another space". There have been several occasions where I have driven around 30+ minutes before parking a nearly mile away from my destination.

Yeah, I figured that afterwards. I guess, in those circumstances, I'd have pulled the nose of the car into the parking space and argued with her through my window. When the fella turned up, I'd have got out. Assuming I was willing to fight for a parking space, anyway.

 

[C Jones]

I have to wonder, has anyone on GAF successfully changed the mind/opinion of another GAFer in any of these threads? It seems futile.

:lol. so true.

 

[Igo]

What if it were a 100 pound 10 year old kid and he started wailing on you? Okay to punch him?

Children generally have more sense than to attack those larger than them.

It's foolish to believe that a 300 pound man won't have the same anger issues as a 100 pound woman. You can't attack someone and and not expect them to retaliate. It's common sense and not at all a difficult concept to grasp. Children instinctively know this.

 

[YakiSOBA]

I don't want to jump to any conclusions, the lady might have been one of those bitchy psycho girls who just scream and flail with no sense of dignity in public.

If that's the case, I can totally see it justifiable that he had to use self-defense, doesn't matter if the person is 100 or 200 pounds, if they are in a fit of rage they can do some pretty serious bodily harm.

 

[Shanadeus]

lol Shanadeus, you're hilarious. You come into threads citing "oh common sense, common sense justifies that right?" and then in this thread you say the same thing as the common sense brigade on GAF, you're like "INSTINCT TELLS YOU TO PUSH, NOT PUNCH." Apparently it isn't instinct if the guy didn't do it. You're such a hypocrite, LOL.

A punch is a striking blow with the fist.[1] It is the most commonly used attack in hand to hand combat. It is used in some martial arts and combat sports, most notably boxing where it is the only type of technique allowed. In sports hand wraps or other padding such as gloves may be employed to protect athletes and practitioners from injuring themselves.[2][3]

When a man weighing 140 pounds throw a punch strong enough to lift a 100-pound woman off the floor then you know that he hasn't merely lashed out out of instinct. Had he truly acted out of instinct, with adrenalin rushing through his blood and making him more shakey, then his punch shouldn't have been accurate enough to hit her so squarely in the face without any damage to his own hand and wrist.

That this man never tried to defend himself by running away or taking another non-aggressive or less aggressive mean of handling the situation in combination with the high probability that he threw a controlled punch tells me that he wasn't in a situation where he acted out of instinct.

 

[BankaiZaraki]

If the woman was white, I'm sure this thread will blow up even more. I'm bailing!

 

[BloodySinner]

White Knight-GAF at work. Love it.

 

[Vagabundo]

When a man weighing 140 pounds throw a punch strong enough to lift a 100-pound woman off the floor then you know that he hasn't merely lashed out out of instinct. Had he truly acted out of instinct, with adrenalin rushing through his blood and making him more shakey, then his punch shouldn't have been accurate enough to hit her so squarely in the face without any damage to his own hand and wrist.

That this man never tried to defend himself by running away or taking another non-aggressive or less aggressive mean of handling the situation in combination with the high probability that he threw a controlled punch tells me that he wasn't in a situation where he acted out of instinct.

Now you're getting lol worthy.

You have no idea what your talking about. You're just making up crap.

 

[Slayer-33]

Because running has done wonders for his image so far.

That was meant for when she was smacking/punching w/e

 

[Deku]

I think it will come down to the guy using excessive force to remove the other part from the parking spot.

All the other facts will mitigate his sentence.


Also the guy is a father or two. But GAF seems to have kept arguing on without batting an eye when this little detail was revealed in one of the news stories.

 

[MWS Natural]

You're not wrong but I still wouldn't change anything if it happened again. I can heal skin, I can't live with myself if I'm sent to prison for decking a woman.

I hear you. I personally would never fight over a parking space, even when I have had one stolen from me I just cursed at the guy and drove off. The only issue I had was with the people who were going on and on like you are in the wrong for hitting a woman under any circumstances which I feel is ridiculous.

Yeah, I figured that afterwards. I guess, in those circumstances, I'd have pulled the nose of the car into the parking space and argued with her through my window. When the fella turned up, I'd have got out. Assuming I was willing to fight for a parking space, anyway.

"Tourist in comma after being brutally beaten by couple over a sparking space...news at 11."

 

[CrankyJay]

Had he truly acted out of instinct, with adrenalin rushing through his blood and making him more shakey, then his punch shouldn't have been accurate enough to hit her so squarely in the face without any damage to his own hand and wrist.

Not all people handle adrenalin the same way. I get shakey. Maybe you get shakey. But from what I understand this guy is pretty street hardened (referencing his youth, getting a knife slash to his face. He has probably been in his share of fights), and exposed to enough situations you get used to it.

 

[Vagabundo]

You're not wrong but I still wouldn't change anything if it happened again. I can heal skin, I can't live with myself if I'm sent to prison for decking a woman.


Yeah, I figured that afterwards. I guess, in those circumstances, I'd have pulled the nose of the car into the parking space and argued with her through my window. When the fella turned up, I'd have got out. Assuming I was willing to fight for a parking space, anyway.

I mean this is all well an good, until you're in one of these stupid situations that escalates.

I doubt he meant to wack her her when he got out of the car. Maybe, he over reacted, but the curb did the damage and she had a big part to play int he drama.

She did not deserve to go into a coma, it is a tragic situation. Two lives ruined over a parking space.

It will be interesting to see what the video is like, if it gets leaked.

 

[soundahfekz]

Children generally have more sense than to attack those larger than them.

It's foolish to believe that a 300 pound man won't have the same anger issues as a 100 pound woman. You can't attack someone and and not expect them to retaliate. It's common sense and not at all a difficult concept to grasp. Children instinctively know this.

This.

Simply put if you're a woman do not attack a man. Our strength is not equal. No matter how many times they play up the "women can do anything men can" card, in strength it is simply not true.

As men we have to be aware of the massive double standards (yet cries for equality) that exist and carry ourselves accordingly.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

When a man weighing 140 pounds throw a punch strong enough to lift a 100-pound woman off the floor then you know that he hasn't merely lashed out out of instinct. Had he truly acted out of instinct, with adrenalin rushing through his blood and making him more shakey, then his punch shouldn't have been accurate enough to hit her so squarely in the face without any damage to his own hand and wrist.

That this man never tried to defend himself by running away or taking another non-aggressive or less aggressive mean of handling the situation in combination with the high probability that he threw a controlled punch tells me that he wasn't in a situation where he acted out of instinct.

You're making up a scenario to fit your story, let's stick to what we've heard.

a) She hit him.

b) He struck back.

c) She's in a coma.

When you start making up things beyond that you start arriving at conclusions before you know the facts, and from what we know it looks like self defense is valid unless NY has something that states you must try to run first before fighting back (I don't think most states have that requirement for self defense).

 

[Apple Sauce]

When a man weighing 140 pounds throw a punch strong enough to lift a 100-pound woman off the floor then you know that he hasn't merely lashed out out of instinct. Had he truly acted out of instinct, with adrenalin rushing through his blood and making him more shakey, then his punch shouldn't have been accurate enough to hit her so squarely in the face without any damage to his own hand and wrist.

That this man never tried to defend himself by running away or taking another non-aggressive or less aggressive mean of handling the situation in combination with the high probability that he threw a controlled punch tells me that he wasn't in a situation where he acted out of instinct.

So because you say this this is true? This is no proof of anything.
Whilst I don't think the guy should have hit the lady, just saying making statements like: 'In a fight or flight situation your punches are ALWAYS shaky and inaccurate, therefore this man was relaxed and the punch was completely controlled. Source: My mind..' doesn't help the argument at all.

 

[AstroLad]

i'm not going to touch the substance of this argument with my ten-foot pole, but i will make a few tangential observations:

-funny all the talk about parking. was just reading yesterday about how all the new bike lanes and areas are mostly going unused and making parking and driving impossible: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...le-of-the-bike-lanes-im-with-mrs-schumer.html

i have a hard time picking a side in that debate -- on the one hand you're nuts for driving in the city unless it's your job otoh the bike activists make the portlandia caricature seem like a documentary. 99% of what i do is commute/walk. when my wife and i drive somewhere we'll just find a garage. honestly not worth the aggravation though i realize this isn't an option for some poors/cheapasses (but what are these people thinking driving anyway? another discussion for another day)

-i don't think the saving-a-spot thing was really that bad, definitely not something worth getting into a confrontation over particularly when you consider that it is not actively aggressive toward a single person, more just "annoying" at worst. on the scale of annoying things people do w/r/t parking i would put it on the very very low end. not even in the same discussion as people who try to jack a spot from someone who has been waiting for it or people who take up what should be two spots with one car the list of worse things go on and on

-any aggression is not just b/c it's nyc too btw. just look at how people behave anywhere there is limited parking. hell go to CA where someplaces they have acres of parking and watch people fight over spots and do things way worse than the above literally just to not have to walk an extra 100 feet. people just turn into even bigger raging assholes with anything car-related pretty much

 

[oneHeero]

When a man weighing 140 pounds throw a punch strong enough to lift a 100-pound woman off the floor then you know that he hasn't merely lashed out out of instinct. Had he truly acted out of instinct, with adrenalin rushing through his blood and making him more shakey, then his punch shouldn't have been accurate enough to hit her so squarely in the face without any damage to his own hand and wrist.

That this man never tried to defend himself by running away or taking another non-aggressive or less aggressive mean of handling the situation in combination with the high probability that he threw a controlled punch tells me that he wasn't in a situation where he acted out of instinct.

Now your trolling, lol

 

[Dude Abides]

Need more details on the punching. Was it a tiger uppercut that lifted her off her feet and planted her on her head? A one-two combo? Need more details.

 

[AlphaSnake]

I don't know if anyone posted some of the other articles, but the guy also had cuts on his face. She actually didn't hit him, but she was scratching him numerous times. He punched her when he saw a guy (her boyfriend) jump out of the car and start running at him. He claims it was because he'd been attacked in a similar way when he was younger, and instinct took over.

Now, nevermind the whole instinct thing, but what makes this chick think she can just start clawing people for no reason? Bitches act way too self-entitled these days. I'm on neither side of the case...but in the words of Chris Rock:

"I ain't saying he should've killed her....but I understand"

 

[Shanadeus]

You're making up a scenario to fit your story, let's stick to what we've heard.

a) She hit him.

b) He struck back.

c) She's in a coma.

When you start making up things beyond that you start arriving at conclusions before you know the facts, and from what we know it looks like self defense is valid unless NY has something that states you must try to run first before fighting back (I don't think most states have that requirement for self defense).

Actually, let's stick to what we know.

A) She has been punched in the head hard enough to be lifted off her feet.

B) He shows no sign of having been attacked in any way.

C) She is now in a coma

He claims that she hit him but he has nothing supporting that claim, he confronted her and wanted her removed from the position she was standing at and he left the scene after having knocked a woman into unconsciousness. He also did not report this event to the police and would have gotten away had there not been anyone around to take his license plate number.

I claim that he never feared his life nor did he ever think that he was in any actual danger and the basis for that claim is the above point in combination with just a basic knowledge of what happens with your body when under fight-or-flight response that would, in combination with his own weight and likely muscle mass, have made it highly improbable for him to throw an accurate enough punch to lift her off the ground.

As he was able to throw an accurate enough punch to lift her off the ground I strongly believe that he wasn't in a state where he couldn't chose the action to take in the event she was attacking him.

Rather he did indeed have the option of pushing her away as he wasn't acting on pure instinct but he chose to punch rather than taking the lesser harmful, yet equally or more effective at stopping her from hurting him if that was what was happening, option.

That he chose to punch this person rather than pushing her away and going back to his car is enough for me.

Not all people handle adrenalin the same way. I get shakey. Maybe you get shakey. But from what I understand this guy is pretty street hardened (referencing his youth, getting a knife slash to his face. He has probably been in his share of fights), and exposed to enough situations you get used to it.

That's why I assume he didn't get an adrenaline rush, which means that he chose to punch her as per my reasoning above.

 

[oneHeero]

I don't know if anyone posted some of the other articles, but the guy also had cuts on his face. She actually didn't hit him, but she was scratching him numerous times. He punched her when he saw a guy (her boyfriend) jump out of the car and start running at him. He claims it was because he'd been attacked in a similar way when he was younger, and instinct took over.

Now, nevermind the whole instinct thing, but what makes this chick think she can just start clawing people for no reason? Bitches act way too self-entitled these days. I'm on neither side of the case...but in the words of Chris Rock:

"I ain't saying he should've killed her....but I understand"

WK Gaf says everyone is suppose to act the same way, regardless of where you live, how you grew up, etc, you should never hit a female and you should always know what strentgh you use when throwing punches regardless of the situation.

Again, I'm waiting for video for final review but as of now I still side with the guy, regardless if she left him scratches or not.

 

[Shanadeus]

I don't know if anyone posted some of the other articles, but the guy also had cuts on his face. She actually didn't hit him, but she was scratching him numerous times. He punched her when he saw a guy (her boyfriend) jump out of the car and start running at him. He claims it was because he'd been attacked in a similar way when he was younger, and instinct took over.

Where are the cuts on his face?


Click for bigger, albeit blurrier, pic.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

i'm not going to touch the substance of this argument with my ten-foot pole, but i will make a few tangential observations:

-funny all the talk about parking. was just reading yesterday about how all the new bike lanes and areas are mostly going unused and making parking and driving impossible: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blo...le-of-the-bike-lanes-im-with-mrs-schumer.html

i have a hard time picking a side in that debate -- on the one hand you're nuts for driving in the city unless it's your job otoh the bike activists make the portlandia caricature seem like a documentary. 99% of what i do is commute/walk. when my wife and i drive somewhere we'll just find a garage. honestly not worth the aggravation though i realize this isn't an option for some poors/cheapasses (but what are these people thinking driving anyway? another discussion for another day)

-i don't think the saving-a-spot thing was really that bad, definitely not something worth getting into a confrontation over particularly when you consider that it is not actively aggressive toward a single person, more just "annoying" at worst. on the scale of annoying things people do w/r/t parking i would put it on the very very low end. not even in the same discussion as people who try to jack a spot from someone who has been waiting for it or people who take up what should be two spots with one car the list of worse things go on and on

-any aggression is not just b/c it's nyc too btw. just look at how people behave anywhere there is limited parking. hell go to CA where someplaces they have acres of parking and watch people fight over spots and do things way worse than the above literally just to not have to walk an extra 100 feet. people just turn into even bigger raging assholes with anything car-related pretty much

I don't get this. Why are you doing this? Is this some advanced form of trolling? You seem to be seriously and reasonably addressing the issue at hand.

 

[oneHeero]

Actually, let's stick to what we know.

A) She has been punched in the head hard enough to be lifted off her feet.

B) He shows no sign of having been attacked in any way.

C) She is now in a coma

He claims that she hit him but he has nothing supporting that claim, he confronted her and wanted her removed from the position she was standing at and he left the scene after having knocked a woman into unconsciousness. He also did not report this event to the police and would have gotten away had there not been anyone around to take his license plate number.

I claim that he never feared his life nor did he ever think that he was in any actual danger and the basis for that claim is the above point in combination with just a basic knowledge of what happens with your body when under fight-or-flight response that would, in combination with his own weight and likely muscle mass, have made it highly improbable for him to throw an accurate enough punch to lift her off the ground.

As he was able to throw an accurate enough punch to lift her off the ground I strongly believe that he wasn't in a state where he couldn't chose the action to take in the event she was attacking him.

Rather he did indeed have the option of pushing her away as he wasn't acting on pure instinct but he chose to punch rather than taking the lesser harmful, yet equally or more effective at stopping her from hurting him if that was what was happening, option.

That he chose to punch this person rather than pushing her away and going back to his car is enough for me.



That's why I assume he didn't get an adrenaline rush, which means that he chose to punch her as per my reasoning above.

Whoa.. So your actually changing the story that has been reported? The new story is now the following;

Women bravely saves parking spot while wonderful husband bring car around. Man pulls up and demands the women move or else. Man gets out, uppercuts women with all his might even though women did nothing to him. Women is now in coma all because she wanted to save a spot for her husband?

Unbelievable

 

[Amakusa]

Where the hell was her Boyfriend? I would have ran that mofo down if I saw him walking away from my girlfriend who's on the ground.

What happen to the days where, if a chick hits you.. just push her away, laugh because it felt like a kitten pawing you, flick her off and enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[Shanadeus]

Whoa.. So your actually changing the story that has been reported? The new story is now the following;

Women bravely saves parking spot while wonderful husband bring car around. Man pulls up and demands the women move or else. Man gets out, uppercuts women with all his might even though women did nothing to him. Women is now in coma all because she wanted to save a spot for her husband?

Unbelievable

How am I changing the story?
I've just kept the facts of these events and omitted what he and his lawyer claims have happened.
Did any witnesses support his side of the story?

 

[crazygambit]

Thank you.

This article tells two different tales, so we will need to see the video to tell for sure. However...two quotes from the article stick out to me:



Why speed off if he was in the right?

There was another quote about hitting her with so much force she flew off her feet. There were witnesses for this.

Because the boyfriend was running toward him? (To pressumably kick his ass).

When Oliver (the woman's boyfriend), across the street and preparing to make a U-turn, jumped out of his car and ran toward Fuller, the suspect punched Rosas in the face, Kenniff said.

After reading the second article the situation seems pretty clear.

It's pretty clear that it was only 1 punch that resulted in the comma. One side says the punch was so strong the victim was unconcious mid flight, while the other side says it was hitting the pavement that caused the comma, but both seem to agree it was only one punch.

The self defense claim seems much more credible when you include an angry boyfriend running towards you. He could have conceivably punched her to get away in time.

And kids that is why you don't jump to conclusions (and ask for death penalties) before knowing all the facts. Which still we don't, the lawyer could easily be lying. We need to see that video.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Where are the cuts on his face?


Click for bigger, albeit blurrier, pic.

Well, the altercation happened over a week ago. March 2nd, I believe. Don't know the severity of the scratches/cuts, but there was a police report that did validate them. Maybe they were self-inflicted, so who the hell knows.

 

[Shanadeus]

Well, the altercation happened over a week ago. March 2nd, I believe. Don't know the severity of the scratches/cuts, but there was a police report that did validate them. Maybe they were self-inflicted, so who the hell knows.

Got any links?
So far the only articles that have been posted are all about this guy's childhood and what his lawyer is saying.

 

[levious]

How am I changing the story?
I've just kept the facts of these events and omitted what he and his lawyer claims have happened.
Did any witnesses support his side of the story?

it's all claims, you just chose to label some facts and not others

 

[oneHeero]

How am I changing the story?
I've just kept the facts of these events and omitted what he and his lawyer claims have happened.
Did any witnesses support his side of the story?

You didnt change what was reported in the story? You intentionally left out what was provided to us already. Regardless if you believe it or not, if she werent in coma right now we would have statements from her and be using both. The fact that she isnt doesnt mean we cant continue to use what has been provided. Innocent until proven guilty.

If what you say was/is true, I would almost completely agree, outside the stupid notation that you know what is going through his mind durnig the situation (regarding adrenaline). Like the guy said, there are tons of cameras in NY and it'll show what happened and I'm sure it'll either help or make WK gaf go crazy saying something like "well u cant hear the conversation he probably provoked blabla dont call women bitches blabla"

 

[Shanadeus]

it's all claims, you just chose to label some facts and not others

A woman being found unconscious is not a claim, it's a fact.

Him saying that he punched her, her face looking like it's been punched and witnesses also agreeing that he punched her is also a fact.

Him not having any visible signs (no scratches, cuts, bruising) of having been attacked by the woman is yet another fact (though of there's a police report saying otherwise then it's a whole other story)

You didnt change what was reported in the story? You intentionally left out what was provided to us already. Regardless if you believe it or not, if she werent in coma right now we would have statements from her and be using both. The fact that she isnt doesnt mean we cant continue to use what has been provided. Innocent until proven guilty.

If what you say was/is true, I would almost completely agree, outside the stupid notation that you know what is going through his mind durnig the situation (regarding adrenaline). Like the guy said, there are tons of cameras in NY and it'll show what happened and I'm sure it'll either help or make WK gaf go crazy saying something like "well u cant hear the conversation he probably provoked blabla dont call women bitches blabla"

I only left out his own testimony as it was not supported by physical evidence or witness accounts.

His throwaway comment on how there are tons of cameras in NY and that they'll show what happened also sounded very anxious and my guess is there probably isn't any footage of the scene (which he probably hopes).

 

[-viper-]

She has brain damage as a result? WTF how hard did he hit her?

She hit her head on the ground. It's not that difficult to suffer from brain damage.

 

[levious]

A woman being found unconscious is not a claim, it's a fact.

Him saying that he punched her, her face looking like it's been punched and witnesses also agreeing that he punched her is also a fact.

Him not having any visible signs (no scratches, cuts, bruising) of having been attacked by the woman is yet another fact (though of there's a police report saying otherwise then it's a whole other story)


I only left out his own testimony as it was not supported by physical evidence or witness accounts.

His throwaway comment on how there are tons of cameras in NY and that they'll show what happened also sounded very anxious and my guess is there probably isn't any footage of the scene (which he probably hopes).

your ego is impressive

 

[Vagabundo]

Him not having any visible signs (no scratches, cuts, bruising) of having been attacked by the woman is yet another fact (though of there's a police report saying otherwise then it's a whole other story)

Is this not another "fact" too? Why exclude the police report?

Oh yeah, it doesn't jive with your fiction.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Shanadeus, you're stretching so much at this point that I think you're playing Devil's Advocate.

 

[Shanadeus]

Is this not another "fact" too? Why exclude the police report?

Oh yeah, it doesn't jive with your fiction.

What police report?

In the OP link they don't mention any police reports.

 

[nyong]

Reflex!

NSFW

 

[Vagabundo]

What police report?

In the OP link they don't mention any police reports.

lol I thought you said there was a police report.

 

[Shanadeus]

lol I thought you said there was a police report.

I'm just wondering where it is because people have brought it up several times now without it being referred to in any of the articles posted in this thread.

Reflex!

NSFW

Fuller -- whose prior busts include weapons possession and felony assault -- jumped out and started screaming at Rosas when she claimed she was holding the space, police sources said. Fuller then "punched [her] in the face with so much force that the woman flew off her feet," according to court papers

Fuller, 35, allegedly sped from the scene, which is across the street from Stuyvesant Town, but cops got his plate number and two witnesses picked his mug from a photo array. Detectives arrested him at his home on 195th Street in Jamaica, Queens, Tuesday night, and he was picked out of a lineup at the Ninth Precinct station house, sources said.

So according to police sources he not only acted aggressively but also returned to his home without even attempting to contact the police to explain what had happened.

He had four days to contact the police before they found him.

 

[methos75]

Reflex!

NSFW

So the guy has an history of assault, yeah self defense my ass

 

[Keepthechange]

Punched her so hard she flew off her feet ? c'mon that just doesn't happen in real life

 

[AlphaSnake]

Punched her so hard she flew off her feet ? c'mon that just doesn't happen in real life

Unless you're Dave Chappelle.

 

[siddx]

I hate people who stand in open spots to "save them". You are not a car, get the fuck out of the way.

But anyways, follow up reports make the guy sound like an aggressive asshole who took it way too far. I didn't see whether it was disproved if she attacked him first, but I also have no sympathy for women who attack men as if having a vagina means they get a free pass to be violent. Still sad that she is in a coma over this.

And yes, it's extremely easy to cause head trauma, there was an incident a few months back around here where some scrawny little dude sucker punched some guy who was much bigger than him outside a bar. The guy fell backwards, hit his head on the pavement, and was dead within the hour.

 

[GoldenEye 007]

Well what if he was getting coming at her and that's why she swung her fucking purse at him? The misogyny in this thread is disgusting. You guys need to get laid and stop hating women.

What are you talking about? You're a goddamn idiot. What an idiotic and baseless card to pull with zero basis in fact.