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Manchester United get Pogba for record-breaking 120+ million
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Not really.
Both are insane, and yet, both look like to be good business.
The salt is cray....
It also makes the price of Shaw which people kept banging on about a couple of years ago look like a bargain.
Delicious Waffles
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MrS
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The Pogba deal has the potential to be great for Utd because he's top quality and it won't take them long to recoup the outlay.
The Stones deal is awful because City have paid almost £50m for a crap defender. It's like the Mangala deal all over again but £20m more expensive 'cause he's English. He won't play if Kompany (big IF) and Otamendi are fit.
Freewheelin'
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Maybe you should post where all us old posters do
50m for a defender that can't defend isn't good business imo.
Question. Do you know who was our manager last season?
What if I tell you, litreally and I am not joking, that our defenders never had a single complete defending session all season?
In fact, those stats is good for someone who wasn't taught how to defend.
He is class with bags of potential, but sure, if that makes you feel better, just keep telling yourself that.
LegendofDragoonLives
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There's a couple of clubs that are a league above United right now. EPL fans and Juve fans on the other hand should be salty. Saying that, everyone should be laughing for the insane price. I heard the agent gets anywhere between 20m+ euros to 20% of the transfer which might put the final pricetag even higher than advertised.
KZObsessed
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^^
Sky Sports says this:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...y-questions-answered-on-world-record-transfer
Wonder if these "sources" are Woodward
Whatever they end up paying, it's a great signing for Utd. I keep watching compilation vids of his on YouTube and he's just phenomenal.
Sky Sports says this:
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...y-questions-answered-on-world-record-transfer
Wonder if these "sources" are Woodward
Whatever they end up paying, it's a great signing for Utd. I keep watching compilation vids of his on YouTube and he's just phenomenal.
Delicious Waffles
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For a club the size of Manchester United, it's a drop in the bucket.
KZObsessed
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Also in Juventus press release they state:
What does that mean exactly? They only get 72.6million because of...?
What does that mean exactly? They only get 72.6million because of...?
Simply Sami
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He was shocking for England too.
Even last week during the friendly against Man Utd he was making basic mistakes and giving the ball to Man Utd in dangerous positions.
Should we blame Hodgson and Koeman too?
He's average defender. Who English media get a hard on because he can pass a little.
Riola's agent fee and taxes. Juve paid for his fee.
KZObsessed
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In theory, Juve paid more for Higuain.I thought that was the case.
Absolute bargain
There's a couple of clubs that are a league above United right now. EPL fans and Juve fans on the other hand should be salty. /QUOTE]
Why should we be salty ?, he clearly wanted to go, as of right now we can't match the money that utd gave him but in return we got a ton of money for a midfielder, he's an amazing player and i wish him the best but we also had an amazing summer with 5 great sigings plus another mid who will come, as a juve fan it's been a long time since i've been this excited for the season to start !!! i'm sure higuain and dybala will do great together.
Again, it's a win-win situation for everyone in the end, and juve it's still a better team then utd
It isn't that bad if the cost is being spread over two years.
I hope Pereira ends up staying. There's a star in the making there.
Because it keeps popping up on the first page in OT.
There is nothing else to explain this but Salt, massive dose of Salt. If people want to discuss facts, then perhaps they should begin to look into facts about the actual position of all parties involved but all I have read here has been nothing but Salt. As far as I am concerned, the EPL should be getting the best players, not selling the best players to LaLiga.
Barcelona and Madrid get about 40% of the overall TV deal rights over there and they also get the support of the government so they can pay high fee but as with everything, there is an end in sight. The EPL is way popular than LaLiga globally and the new money is a result of that, to me that is what football should be like, everyone should have a fair shot. This is the reason Spurs can fight off interest for Harry Kane, why Everton can fend off interest for Lukaku, everyone should have a chance, not just some dominant Two or one.
This is the beginning of a shift in my own opinion, if all trends are to be considered, Gabriel Jesus choose City over Madrid and Barcelona and we will continue to see this trend in the next few years, every new prodigy will sign for EPL clubs 70% of the time because right now, Madrid and Barca will either have to pony up and pay inflated prices or watch all those talent go to EPL, people can say players don't want money but you have to naïve to think they don't consider money a lot in their decisions. In fact I would say, considering the age group of Ronaldo, Messi, Iniesta, Modric and co, LaLiga should be worried.
Barcelona and Madrid get about 40% of the overall TV deal rights over there and they also get the support of the government so they can pay high fee but as with everything, there is an end in sight. The EPL is way popular than LaLiga globally and the new money is a result of that, to me that is what football should be like, everyone should have a fair shot. This is the reason Spurs can fight off interest for Harry Kane, why Everton can fend off interest for Lukaku, everyone should have a chance, not just some dominant Two or one.
This is the beginning of a shift in my own opinion, if all trends are to be considered, Gabriel Jesus choose City over Madrid and Barcelona and we will continue to see this trend in the next few years, every new prodigy will sign for EPL clubs 70% of the time because right now, Madrid and Barca will either have to pony up and pay inflated prices or watch all those talent go to EPL, people can say players don't want money but you have to naïve to think they don't consider money a lot in their decisions. In fact I would say, considering the age group of Ronaldo, Messi, Iniesta, Modric and co, LaLiga should be worried.
chicko1983
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Athletico made the final of the ECL last year, with a squad of predominately home grown players who cost little.
La Liga isnt worried about EPL.
What Bournemouth scratch out a draw against Man U tonight, its going to be fun.
Well, is it?
yes m8
SomedayTheFire
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Who needs Pogba when you have Fellaini
LegendofDragoonLives
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Lmao at the delusional post with the title salt at the top. Been waiting for nearly a decade for epl clubs to become relevant again 😂
I know, it's been to long hasn't it. Ooh well everyone gets to wait their turn, just be sure to appreciate when EPL teams begin to win in Europe again, not another round of "overrated" salt as was the case the previous time.
La Liga should be worried and in fact they are worried. There's been rumours of Madrid higher ups pushing for an European super league, same with the higher up at Bayern. See once the EPL reaches maturity, the level of dominance will be ridiculous and yes Spanish teams won't just fade away, that's not what I'm saying, athletico, Madrid, Barca or another one of sevilla, Villareal or Valencia will push as well but overall, the EPL teams will be hard to compete with because most of the top players will be there
True Savior
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EPL will never be the league it dreams to be cause the predominant nationality of the players is still the english one and england players are becoming more and more inept to the game.
What do you mean English players are inept?? Can you explain better
Lol, you barely have Pogba, who should first confirm it's worth the price.
Messi, Ronaldo, Bale, Modric, Kroos, Neymar, Suarez, Iniesta, Griezmann all proved a class above anything PL has until now. You don't have one decent CB in all the league. PL might get there in some years, but you need more than one Pogba per year.
Even if Bournemouth got a draw, isn't that good that any team can draw or beat any team?
European competitions are not the best indicator of how strong a league is. In fact the strength of the EPL makes it harder for English teams to focus on European competitions and stay in the best shape for those games where Spanish teams can often take their foot off the pedal, winter breaks etc.
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Sun Bather
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Atletico. Atletico. Atletico. Atletico. Atletico. Atletico. Atletico. Atletico.
What they have done is incredible. Don't forget that in just 2014 when they also reached a CL finale, they had 550 million in debt to the Spanish tax office.
What is true, is that the coaching and whole youth setup is terrible in England for the most part.
Messi and Ronaldo are in a class of their own, that I can agree (although at this rate, Dybala will reach them soon enough), but premier league got lots of players that can compete with many of those players you mentioned. Kroos? Come on.
Premier league is at an all time low, when it comes to competing with other leagues. But it got its future safely secured, with the money that is coming in. Sorry, but money really will keep the balance of shifting too much. There's many reasons Pogba with all his future ahead of him with lots of possibilities, still comes back to a club that threw him away, and now are not even in champions league. One of the big reasons is money, and it will keep happening.
True Savior
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Basic skills. Technique. Agility. Creativity. Decision. Tactical rearrangement. Some english coaches are still clueless regarding stuff as tactical periodization, and the poor kids get to be molded by the hands of these ultra obsolete people who have completely lost touch with football. Luckily EPL understood this and started to completely clean at the top of the clubs this people, but their massive presence is still felt both in youth and the english player itself is naturally unskillful for the game that it's played today.
I know a lot of people get angry with their national team and how such a massive country like england bottles it so much, cause it's hard to accept the truth. The players are rubbish.
What can I say. If you don't understand how good of a midfielder Kroos is I don't think this discussion make sense. Football is played all over the field, not just in the box.
That's what I am saying, of course it's not now or immediately but it's going in direction. For now epl are still way behind but say in the next two or three years, the next big players are going to prob be in epl. Like the money isn't a case of a few millions, we are talking about almost a 40% margin here, it's a really big big gap
We'll see. For now the PL clubs seem to not know exactly what to do with all the money, beside exploding the prices on the market.
Sun Bather
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Wow thank you for explaining that to me. Kind of hilarious you do that, after not mentioning a single defender in your post.
I never even claimed Kroos was not a good midfielder. I questioned your statement that he is above anything the premier league can offer.
Ooh I see what you mean and i agree. The past decade has seen the English game become dominated by a specific type of player, very athletic and fast but doesn't understand the basics. I'm also a huge critic of this but I think recently there's been a concerted effort to try and change it, if you look at the more recent English players coming through, their technical side has improved much more. For emphasis, the England youth won the cup in France this year and many of those boys haven't played premier league football yet. Again, it will take a while but I suspect very soon, a change in fortune will happen either that be through the new home grown or the expensive foreign imports
Sun Bather
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Also for everyone saying prices are crazy.
Yep they are. But that is how football goes. Inflation every single year that only gets more and more insane.
In the end, a player is worth however much he is sold for, or that the selling club demands. It will only get crazier, so prepare yourself.
Yep they are. But that is how football goes. Inflation every single year that only gets more and more insane.
In the end, a player is worth however much he is sold for, or that the selling club demands. It will only get crazier, so prepare yourself.
I didn't add any defender because I thought the discussion will then focus on them, being the most easy to contest one way or another. Which in the end happened with Kroos, funny enough.
Name one PL midfielder who's at the same level with Kroos.
I think it's always like this, if you look at clubs who had change in fortune like Chelsea, city and PSG, it took them a while to gain traction. At first they just seem unreasonable with their purchases but after a while, they found their footing and i think it's the same for the EPL now. For starters, Madrid cannot just walk in and buy Harry Kane because Tottenham will simply upgrade his contract to match Madrid offer or they ask Madrid for ridiculous amount, so say unlike the Bale transfer which is high anyway, Tottenham will have a stronger chance of keeping their players
Sun Bather
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Kante, Kevin De Bruyne (who is more offensive I know), and just wait, Pogba will show he is as well, after having a huge role in one of the best teams in Europe for a few years. On top of that, I think there a few, who might just very well return to form in this season, after a really weird one full of chaos in their clubs. That goes for many of those players you listed though. Aguero vs Griezmann for example, and Costa as well, who clearly used most of last season being unhappy with Mourinho together with the rest of the Chelsea squad, that got quite a bit of talent.
Defenders is the one position I would agree that Premier League right now, is so far below other top leagues, that it would be worth mentioning. Rest is highly debatable, other than Messi and Ronaldo.
True Savior
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Yes, this takes many many years to change. I don't think youth cups are the best way to judge the future though, because physicality and athleticism has a much bigger impact when the kids are young.
And as you said, if EPL truly wants to import everything that is good, there is only one way to accommodate them. It's to put them instead of the native ones. Are they prepared for something this drastic?
Angelus Errare
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Pretty fucking much. I hope he lives up to the potential cause holy shit
The reason English players are becoming more and more inept is due to the ridiculous amounts of money flowing around in the Premier League, which mean that
A) No foreign team is going to want to pay the English player tax
B) No English player has a reason to move abroad where the better football is
Don't get me started on Allardyce...
Sun Bather
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It's Manchester United. They are rich as fuck, even by normal premier league standards. Their official noodle partnership probably paid for it.
Cellbomber
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EPL will generally suffer due to the work permit laws. All those young superstars from other regions will just break out and dominate in other leagues.
EPL will possibly get a small percentage of these players once they meet the requirements. By then they will have to pay an inflated price making the extra television deals irrelevant.
Keep buying a few superstars per year. The other big boys of Europe clearly know how to replace players.
EPL will possibly get a small percentage of these players once they meet the requirements. By then they will have to pay an inflated price making the extra television deals irrelevant.
Keep buying a few superstars per year. The other big boys of Europe clearly know how to replace players.
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