ChuckeRearmed
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Solo is more offensive to classical SW lore but it's also a more interesting film with much better characters.
kruis
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Gross is about the same as Solo, a SW movie that came out 12 years ago and was the worst received SW movie of all. If you account for inflation, that's not great.
Box Office: ‘Mandalorian and Grogu’ Lifts Off With $102 Million Over Memorial Day Holiday, ‘Obsession’ Scores $28 Million in Huge Second Weekend
It wasn't a Memorial Day weekend for the box office record books, but "The Mandalorian and Grogu" started strong over the holiday frame.
variety.com
Article: For the first time in nearly seven years, "Star Wars" fans finally had a reason to go to the movies.
And plenty of 'em showed up for "The Mandalorian and Grogu," which collected $82 million in its opening weekend and an estimated $102 million through Monday. Those ticket sales are aligned with expectations, though box office analysts are mixed on the results. On one hand, it's significant for any film to debut above $100 million in post-pandemic times. On the other, "Star Wars" is one of Hollywood's preeminent film properties, so there's an expectation of a certain level of box office. And this start is the worst for "Star Wars" since Disney bought the franchise in 2012.
Prior to this weekend, that unfortunate distinction belonged to 2018's spinoff "Solo: A Star Wars Story," which opened to $84 million over the weekend and $103 million through the Memorial Day holiday, not adjusted for inflation. "Solo," however, was plagued by other issues, including lackluster reviews and tepid word-of-mouth — none of which helped in terms of box office longevity. It became the first "Star Wars" movie ever to lose money in its theatrical run, tapping out with $392 million globally against a massive budget of nearly $300 million.
"The Mandalorian and Grogu" carries a leaner $165 million price tag and, perhaps more importantly, has the benefit of positive audience scores. A truer test of commercial viability will be the film's second weekend in theaters. That'll indicate whether "The Mandalorian and Grogu" is just appealing to fans of the franchise, or if the movie can become a breakout among family crowds. Opening weekend ticket buyers were 63% male while 75% were above the age of 25. Jon Favreau directed the film, which earned an "A-" grade on CinemaScore exit polls. For comparison, 2019's "Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker" earned a "B+" grade. The story takes place after the third season of the Disney+ series "The Mandalorian" and revolves around Pedro Pascal's Din Djarin and his adorable green sidekick as they navigate a galaxy that's recovering from the fall of the evil Empire.
At the international box office, "The Mandalorian and Grogu" earned $64 million for a global start of $145 million over the three days and $165 million over the four-day frame.
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freemandos
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That depens. That activist droid was insufferable to me. Let's not talk about her final role,
. Lando was great though (why didn't they make a movie about him with that actor?).
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Yes, part of the offensive to classical SW lore content. But setting that aside and Han's name origin and a few other things, it actually has some real characters like young Lando, Chewie, Emilia Clarke's femme fatale and Woody Harrelson's scoundrel mentor.
Mando has a bunch of…creatures?
Mengy
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Not initially. I really liked Gina Carraro's character, but Disney fired her. I also really liked Carl Weather's character, but he died in real life. I loved the pig guy from S1 voiced by Nick Nolte, but his character was killed off.
Mandalorian had some great side characters, problem is they're all gone. Now the show has Filoni's pet favorites, which IMHO haven't worked so well.
archangelmorph
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Great movie.
This is basically a kids movie (akin to the Prequel trilogy).
My son and his cousin both loved it after seeing and loving the show. For them Grogu was the star & they just loved seeing him do his thing.
This is basically a kids movie (akin to the Prequel trilogy).
My son and his cousin both loved it after seeing and loving the show. For them Grogu was the star & they just loved seeing him do his thing.
WhiteWaterM00se
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Alright. People, please tell me the truth. How is this movie? Seems like a Star Wars for kids? As some of you have posted.
Let me know your thoughts.
Let me know your thoughts.
freemandos
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Yeah, I won't deny it, Mando & Grogu isn't particulary memorable about its new characters. Specially with its excessive CGI.
freemandos
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It's Star Wars for kids. For very small kids. It's pretty much a better version of that TCW movie. It isn't particulary pretentious or offensive, Mando and Grogu are the main characters and not like season three, it has a lot action and higher budget than the tv show, and it's not like the worst kiddie parts of Star Wars (the lowest lows of the Phantom Menace, that R2 arc of TCW, those Ewoks movies, the Holiday Special...). Buuut...ugh, I could cut easily half of an hour, its bad guys are very lame, too much reliance on CGI, some action scenes are too chaotic, the movie feels a little bland and adds...barely anything to the characters or the lore.
Maybe some people will call me crazy, but I think Skeleton is a much better "Star Wars for kids" than Mando & Grogu: better pacing, more interesting story and character developement, better use of aliens, etc.
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Excessive CGI? They used a TON of puppets, real sets, and stop motion. The volume made all of sigoury qeavers scenes look bad but otherwise it was a real treat for practical effects IMHO.
Sigourney was a real downer in this, IMHO, she seemed bored and her role was entirely pointless. She is also the only human woman with lines in the film, and there are only 2 females that speak.
This film shits on the bechdel test so hard, its fantastic!
Saber
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ChuckeRearmed
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Mangalorian and Goblin
BlackTron
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It's an overly safe extended episode of the show. It feels a little creatively bankrupt, from its title to giving him another Razer Crest.
Mercifully, being that safe means you don't walk out with Star Wars in a worse state than when you entered. It's not fine art but neither does it shit on the IP. It just doesn't fulfill its potential either.
I liked the ample use of puppets/animatronics, and connections to classic SW stuff, like HD X/Y-Wings, AT-AT interiors and closer look at Hutt empire. The two guard mechs were also cool. I also thought that Mando would just plow everyone while Grogu would be nothing but the cute baby idiot sidekick. But Mando showed more vulnerability than expected and Grogu seriously stepped up, and not just in an "omg my force power leveled up JUST in time" way. He showed bravery.
I explained to my friend why IMAX wasn't important to me for this movie and he picked cheaper tickets. As we walked out he said I was right and you'd just see the bad CGI better. This is consumable content, not the epochal film event expected from the opening text crawl, which is why they removed it. If no one had put me up to seeing it, I could have waited to watch at home. But it is worth a watch, like most Mando episodes.
Mercifully, being that safe means you don't walk out with Star Wars in a worse state than when you entered. It's not fine art but neither does it shit on the IP. It just doesn't fulfill its potential either.
I liked the ample use of puppets/animatronics, and connections to classic SW stuff, like HD X/Y-Wings, AT-AT interiors and closer look at Hutt empire. The two guard mechs were also cool. I also thought that Mando would just plow everyone while Grogu would be nothing but the cute baby idiot sidekick. But Mando showed more vulnerability than expected and Grogu seriously stepped up, and not just in an "omg my force power leveled up JUST in time" way. He showed bravery.
I explained to my friend why IMAX wasn't important to me for this movie and he picked cheaper tickets. As we walked out he said I was right and you'd just see the bad CGI better. This is consumable content, not the epochal film event expected from the opening text crawl, which is why they removed it. If no one had put me up to seeing it, I could have waited to watch at home. But it is worth a watch, like most Mando episodes.
Saber
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Thats why people lost nothing skipping this. Its inconsequencial and the plot is barely there. You can see the limit ending of every episode of the series mashed in the film apparently.
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Its set between RotJ and IFA, what exactly could it progress?
It looks different than the mainstream ST films, it has different music, there is even a credi troll in the beginned, a first for Star Wars I believe. If this is what we get while waiting for the "main quest" star wars films, I'm down for it. No Ahsoka, no Thrawn, no Bo-Katan, no shoehorned in girl boss sidekick to launch her own show. Just Mando and Grogu collecting bounties and having adventures.
I just hope Starfighter or whatever the Gosling one is called as actual SPACE battles. I feel like we have had nothing but atmospheric fights since Rogue One.
Sybrix
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We want to know where/who Grogu is/came from & where he went/where he is during sequel era
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Do we, really? He won't be a teen/adult for a CENTURY, so any Grogu focused plots will probably wait till then, long after Mando is dead. He's whatever race Yoda is, that's all we really need, no?
they filmed it TWICE. Lord and Miller (who have crushed almost every film they have made) were almost done when Kennedy yanked them off and got Ron Howard to come in and reshoot damn near all of it. So Solo SHOULD have been a nice triple play at least but turned into a first base grounder because of studio mismanagment.
Same thing happened with Rogue One, at least the ending, so LucasArts has really been a shitshow since Kennedy took over. The ST was all sorts of fucked, Solo was fucked, R1 was semi-fucked.
This may be the first actually competently managed Star Wars film since Revenge of the Sith.
Jinxed
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Yep. Jyn, Cassian and K2 survived in the original cut.
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NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
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I have high hopes for this one since hearing that it's aimed at everyone not just the OT Lovers or the Prequel Lovers. Which is what Disney should have done from the start
Looks like Kojima liked it
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Barrier Island Dweller
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I mean honestly? Much more enjoyable than TLJ and RISE
Reviewers and Cinephiles I think are forgetting they are watching Star Wars and not some high art film. For regular ass people this rocks.
It's a summer action movie, a lot of these negative Nancie's were not around for summer action movies pre-Marvel, 80's or 90's
"It felt like a tv show?"
Did it? I saw an action movie with Mando stalking around using that flame thrower very generously and I loved it.
Edit: plus stop motion and puppets. Very Jim Henson like.
Edit 2: holy shit the purple site people are fucking miserable with their opinions. You're not professional writers or directors, you're fucking neck beard nerds on the internet with poor hygiene practices. Jesus.
Reviewers and Cinephiles I think are forgetting they are watching Star Wars and not some high art film. For regular ass people this rocks.
It's a summer action movie, a lot of these negative Nancie's were not around for summer action movies pre-Marvel, 80's or 90's
"It felt like a tv show?"
Did it? I saw an action movie with Mando stalking around using that flame thrower very generously and I loved it.
Edit: plus stop motion and puppets. Very Jim Henson like.
Edit 2: holy shit the purple site people are fucking miserable with their opinions. You're not professional writers or directors, you're fucking neck beard nerds on the internet with poor hygiene practices. Jesus.
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Snow Cowned
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I loved this movie. Felt like a throwback 80s/90s adventure type movie with Mando and Grogu. Lots of older SW references and definitely better than the sequel trilogy by a lot. I think the self-contained aspect of the story was good to. Tired of everything in media being "connected" or some kind of cinematic universe thing. Just make a good movie and this was that. Anyone who didn't enjoy it probably just spends too much time online over-analyzing everything and never has fun.
Madflavor
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Reading the reactions online has made me realize that maybe Filoni is actually perfect for Star Wars. I think despite how much people complain about it, in the end they do want the safe schlock, the Glup Shitto references, and the nostalgia bait. In a few months when they're back to commenting about how much Star Wars has fallen, I wonder if they'll remind themselves that they loved Mandalorian and Grogu and they're getting exactly what they want.
The trade off is that Star Wars will continue to remain an average franchise instead of the cinematic event it used to be. Right now Box Office projections are looking ugly, and we've got smaller movies and lesser known IPs outperforming Star Wars. That shouldn't be happening, but hey here we are.
John Bilbo
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It would be funny if Segory Gheeffer was CGI and the puppets real
Madflavor
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Memorial Day Weekend Box Office: ‘Mandalorian and Grogu’ Opens to $100 Million Domestically, $163 Million Globally
"The Mandalorian and Grogu" topped the box office in its Memorial Day weekend debut.
variety.com
$163m Global 4-day opening. Bomb-a-Rooney incoming. Welcome back Solo!
Needed more Glup Shittos.
GymWolf
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How many aura points do i lose if i say that i enjoyed solo more than the last trilogy of turds?
Kacho
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Solo was the best Star Wars movie of the latest bunch imo. It felt the most Star Wars.
touchfuzzy
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I thought it was great. OST was amazing too, very different for Star Wars and really elevated it. Lots of great practical effects work (along with lots of CGI of course)
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BlackTron
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Bad for a SW movie, but actually not such a bad showing for a long episode of Mandalorian...which I guess is what SW movies have been reduced to now.
I think the only way to change that is to retcon the ST. Even then they are dealing with a damaged IP, but at least they get a chance to rebuild it that way. The first film "new episode 7" probably won't have a great opening even if its perfect. They will need the discipline to stick to a (good) vision without making a kneejerk reaction to those numbers, if they want to resuscitate this.
edit: at the very least, Disney won't be sending KK a birthday card.
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Mengy
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I'm guessing Mando will make more money than Supergirl.
Madflavor
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Before this weekend I would've said Mando beats Supergirl, but with these recent numbers for Mando I'm not so sure. Could go either way.
Saber
Newd Member
Guessing this one.
Supergirl itself isn't stronght enought to do stand on its own, so they would need every little help it gets. Doing little war with potential customers doesn't help.
ChuckeRearmed
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Trilobit
Absolutely Cozy
I'm thinking to myself "I'll watch this as soon as it hits D+". But then I think to myself "but why?" I sometimes buy cheap frozen pizzas and at times the off-brands taste like cardboard with pepperoni on top. TM&G reminds me of that kind of pizza. I don't think the allure of it taking place in the Star Wars universe is enough for me to bear with it being mostly cardboard.
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Gp1
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Bro... Disney didn't have the capacity to ripoff Top Gun Maverick, jump Rogue Squadron to the first place in the production line and make the easiest money on the entire decade. They simply stalled the project for 6 years to let the hype dies first
Instead they bet on every single tired/shitty concept possible before just dump money on the easiest one. The one that just made 1.4bi in box office on the other side of the fence.
What makes this even more comical is that TGM is a ripoff of one Star Wars scene and F1 is basically TGM with F1 cars.
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Jinxed
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Close second for me. Rogue One is my favorite star wars movie ever
Unless your only accepted version of Star Wars is endless jedi, lightsabers, and Skywalker everything, then M&G is EVERYTHING Star Wars should be. There are cool aliens, exotic locations, lots of fighting and adventure, a bit of the Force, some new spaceships. What it does NOT have are people whinging about shit, stupid prophecies, cryptic fetch quests, and neutered male characters. If we had this mando in S3 it would have been quite different.
Madflavor
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So visual eye candy with little substance? Like a frozen pizza. It'll hit the spot if you're hungry and need to consume something in a pinch, but it won't blow your taste buds away.
What substance do you want? ANOTHER Death Star? In this film we have a character breaking free from the image of his father, "the old care for the young, then the young care for the old", growth in the Mando/Grogu relationship, a bit of lore filling in how the New Republic went about rounding up old Imperials.
Yeah, this isn't more about Planet Mandalore, it doesn't show the origins of Snoke, bring in Luke or his school, or show Thrawn. We know the outcomes of all these things anyway.
Madflavor
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Move far away from the Skywalker Era because people are tired of it and it's lost the interest of most audiences. Begin a new saga far in the future with a new cast, new stakes, a new hero's journey, and tell a compelling and epic story fit for a space opera.
Right now Star Wars is cheap beer. A showcase of toys from your childhood smashing together for two hours. If that's what you want out of Star Wars and think it's EVERYTHING (in all caps) Star Wars should be moving forward, then you're eating good. But if this franchise is ever going to start moving in the direction the might one day return it's status that was synonymous with the term "Blockbuster", it needs a bigger shake up. I'm not saying Star Wars shouldn't have the lasers and big boom boom explosions, but we need a fresh, bold, and well written new take on the IP, or it's going to continue to be cooked.
Ultimately the proof is in the pudding. Right now Star Wars is being outperformed by tons of other films and IPs for both film and television. Consider where this franchise used to be. This shouldn't be happening.
BlackTron
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There is (literally and figuratively) an entire universe of potential substance between what we got and Death Star 3/4/whatever.
I do like how it advanced the Mando/Grogu relationship, but there's no longer a sense that it's leading anywhere impactful, like when he was seeking out a Jedi/Luke to hand him over. They're just a likable screen duo. We got a glimpse of Boba Fett's relationship with his dad, which led somewhere when Jango was killed. That can never happen to these guys, unless Disney grows a pair of balls and kills off Mando, leading Grogu to the Dark Side. That would be compelling, but then they can't lean on this safe, audience-favorite pair ever again.