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Stat Flow said:
Someone please explain to me this: If the Sharingan can become the rinnegan (think about that for a minute), then why the FUCK did the Sage of the six paths have two kids and supposedly have given one the rinnegan and the other the sharingan? Why when the fucking sharingan can become the rinnegan?

I don't think it was ever said if the Senju side got the Rinnegan.
 
upandaway said:
Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru - The Blazing Final Fight

Yeah ok wow. I fully support my earlier statement. Doubly so even. This was insane. Helmet saved the fucker.
No helmets next time around.
Man, so I'm almost caught up? Damn. At least they translate fast, thank god.
They're kinda streaky, so don't bank on them always having a fast turnaround.
 
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Stat Flow said:
Someone please explain to me this: If the Sharingan can become the rinnegan (think about that for a minute), then why the FUCK did the Sage of the six paths have two kids and supposedly have given one the rinnegan and the other the sharingan? Why when the fucking sharingan can become the rinnegan?

Actually he gave one his "eyes"/powerful chakra (Uchiha) and body/very strong will (Senju).

The sage himself had the rinnegan.

Stat Flow said:
Who got what is irrelevant. My question is, why split them at all if one of them can become the other?

Same reason he split the Jyuubi up into nine beasts since it weakens it?

In my opinion Rinnegan = Uchiha eyes + Senju body so with that i think the powerup Kabuto give him was using some of the 1st cells or maybe he used one of those clones.

Though madara says he got it later in his life i wonder by what means.
 
One Piece

I like the ideas that Oda's working with in this arc - racism, martyrs, extreme groups - and I don't doubt that the ending will be emotionally satisfying, but it's just the pacing and designs that ruined the arc. Dude needs a new editor (is it the same one as the White Beard war?)
 
Infinite Justice said:
Actually he gave one his "eyes"/powerful chakra (Uchiha) and body/very strong will (Senju).

The sage himself had the rinnegan.


In my opinion rinnegan = Uchiha eyes + Senju body so with that i think the powerup Kabuto give him was using some of the 1st cells or maybe he used one of those clones.

I agree with this. Madara most likely gained the Rinnegan by stealing Hashirama's cells during their fight. If he lived afterward and found a way to awaken the Rinnegan through implanting the cells inside him then it sort of makes sense. A Senju could most likely do the same thing by just popping some Sharingans in their eyes.
 
Infinite Justice said:
Actually he gave one his "eyes"/powerful chakra (Uchiha) and body/very strong will (Senju).

The sage himself had the rinnegan.

Same reason he split the Jyuubi up into nine beasts since it weakens it?

In my opinion rinnegan = Uchiha eyes + Senju body so with that i think the powerup Kabuto give him was using some of the 1st cells or maybe he used one of those clones.
This is half-reasonable.

But if this were the case, why would Madara have had the Sharingan at all when he popped up. He should have just had the Rinnegan.

And what about Nagato's activation of the Rinnegan in the Jiraiya flashback?
 
Stat Flow said:
This is half-reasonable.

But if this were the case, why would Madara have had the Sharingan at all when he popped up. He should have just had the Rinnegan.

And what about Nagato's activation of the Rinnegan in the Jiraiya flashback?

It would be stupid, but he might be able to go from Sharingan to Rinnegan at will.

I assume the Nagato problem will be explained eventually with how Madara 'gave' him the eyes.
 
Kusagari said:
I don't think it was ever said if the Senju side got the Rinnegan.
They didn't. They got bodies with enough chakra to actually use the rinnegan. The other half got the eye powers, but they were physically gimped which apparently caused the eye powers to sharply regress.
 
Infinite Justice said:
Naruto



Actually he gave one his "eyes"/powerful chakra (Uchiha) and body/very strong will (Senju).

The sage himself had the rinnegan.



Same reason he split the Jyuubi up into nine beasts since it weakens it?

In my opinion Rinnegan = Uchiha eyes + Senju body so with that i think the powerup Kabuto give him was using some of the 1st cells or maybe he used one of those clones.

Though madara says he got it later in his life i wonder by what means.

I accept this.

Like a girlfriend accepts an abusive boyfriend.
 
What's this bullshit ya'll talking about the Uchiha having the weaker bodies? I don't know about specifics but from what I can see, these Uchiha seem pretty fucking strong to me. I mean, the whole clan got massacred and they still have ancestors dicking around on the battlefield to decide the world's fate. The other two are the most important in the manga right now, and we just learned of a technique that can erase reality and that doesn't require a senju body at all.

So tell me again, what the fuck do I want a Rinnegan for?
 
Kusagari said:
It would be stupid, but he might be able to go from Sharingan to Rinnegan at will.

I assume the Nagato problem will be explained eventually with how Madara 'gave' him the eyes.
Wait a minute...why the fuck would he "give" the eyes to Nagato...and not himself!? And Nagato was just a kid at the time when Jiraiya found him with NO NINJA TRAINING AT ALL....and Madara didn't take him in when he supposedly 'gave' him the eyes. What the fuck is the point!?
 
Infinite Justice said:
Naruto



Actually he gave one his "eyes"/powerful chakra (Uchiha) and body/very strong will (Senju).

The sage himself had the rinnegan.



Same reason he split the Jyuubi up into nine beasts since it weakens it?

In my opinion Rinnegan = Uchiha eyes + Senju body so with that i think the powerup Kabuto give him was using some of the 1st cells or maybe he used one of those clones.

Though madara says he got it later in his life i wonder by what means.

i thought this part referred to the EMS that he got a bit before dying but since he had it for a short while, he didn't know how to make it evolve and Kabuto discovered the missing link before reviving him. it would explain why he had the EMS and not the Rinnegan when he appeared.

edit: nmv. i re-read it and it looks like madara got the rinnegan a bit before dying. it makes less sense that way so i'm hoping this is just a dodgy translation effect.
 
Stat Flow said:
This is half-reasonable.

But if this were the case, why would Madara have had the Sharingan at all when he popped up. He should have just had the Rinnegan.

And what about Nagato's activation of the Rinnegan in the Jiraiya flashback?


It seems it was a thing kinda like going to a Super Saiyan and it sounds he got to that level very late.

The only way i could kinda link Nagato is due to him being apart of the Uzumaki clan and their link to the Senjuu. Plus i could go all crazy and add that Tobi gave actually gave him Sharingan eyes and they turned to Rinnegan eyes :p
 
GG-Duo said:
One Piece

I like the ideas that Oda's working with in this arc - racism, martyrs, extreme groups - and I don't doubt that the ending will be emotionally satisfying, but it's just the pacing and designs that ruined the arc. Dude needs a new editor (is it the same one as the White Beard war?)

I agree with you. I have generally liked the arc, but feel the pacing is the worst part about the arc. It just seems all over the place. At times it will seem fast(beginning of flashback, and Hody catching Jimbe and Shirihoshi) and others it will be a snails pace(the last couple chapters, and the end of the flashback).
 
Infinite Justice said:
Plus i could go all crazy and add that Tobi gave actually gave him Sharingan eyes and they turned to Rinnegan eyes :p
I thought about this, but then wouldn't we have seen Nagato have the Sharingan first? He just "activated" the Rinnegan because he was pissed or something? wut.

And then why didn't he use any Sharingan moves against Naruto...or anyone?

I realize at this point you're just trying to make a case for something that is unmakeacaseable for. You're doing a good job. Better than Kishi.
 
TacticalFox88 said:
Wait a minute...why the fuck would he "give" the eyes to Nagato...and not himself!? And Nagato was just a kid at the time when Jiraiya found him with NO NINJA TRAINING AT ALL....and Madara didn't take him in when he supposedly 'gave' him the eyes. What the fuck is the point!?
What was the point of telling Kisame to let White Zetsu take his place in his fight against Killer Bee and lose so he could hide inside the sword (which Killer Bee would keep with him, obviously) so he could spy on their enemies and use the information to their advantage in the upcoming war, so they could get their hands on Killer Bee?

Naruto makes no sense, news at 11.
 
Steroyd said:
A)In Jiraiya's flashback on Nagato he had normal eyes until the rinnegan activated, if they were implanted into his eye sockets this wouldn't be the case.
We never saw his eyes until he used the Rinnegan. They were always covered by his hair.

Traits of the Rinnegan may not have been noticeable due to his inexperience with chakra, and/or Uzumaki lineage(an abundance of vitality that wouldn't be noticeably effected by Doujutsu that weren't even being actively used).

B)If Nagato wasn't born with the rinnegan, then how the fudge did Edo Tensei'd Nagato have the rinnegan.
The same reason Edo Tensei'd Madara still has Izuna's Mangekyou Sharingan, and Edo Tensei'd Hanzou still had that black salamander's venom sac. The bodies are brought back in the state they are in before their death.

Only thing that possibly conflicts with this being Sasori; he was no longer a human puppet. It's possible that the state they're brought back in is entirely dependent on the time their genetic material is taken. This could explain how Itachi is able to seemingly see quite clearly, and not effected by any physical ailments, despite the fact that he was pretty much completely blind, and on his last legs due to some undisclosed fatal disease shortly before his death; the genetic material used for Kabuto's Edo Tensei could have been collected long before these issues were prevalent.

Would also explain how this Edo Tensei'd Madara knows about people like Nagato and Orochimaru, even though the state he was brought back in is clearly from a time long before them both.
 
I thought about this, but then wouldn't we have seen Nagato have the Sharingan first? He just "activated" the Rinnegan because he was pissed or something? wut.

And then why didn't he use any Sharingan moves against Naruto...or anyone?

I realize at this point you're just trying to make a case for something that is unmakeacaseable for. You're doing a good job. Better than Kishi.

He skipped some steps? :p

Yea this thing has gotten crazy and i really do think that we might get another Uchiha flashback.
 
Naruto
It's so fucking ridiculous but i LOVE it. Madara's a fucking beast and his EMS has the best design. Sasuke next in line to get the rinnengan?
 
Stat Flow said:
I thought about this, but then wouldn't we have seen Nagato have the Sharingan first? He just "activated" the Rinnegan because he was pissed or something? wut.

And then why didn't he use any Sharingan moves against Naruto...or anyone?

I realize at this point you're just trying to make a case for something that is unmakeacaseable for. You're doing a good job. Better than Kishi.
Anything you're asking is something that would be answered later, not now.
Not while a meteor is being dropped.
Maybe it'll make sense (as much cartoon ninja magic comics can) but it'll probably only make half sense once these revelations are given time to be explained.
 
SilentProtagonist said:
Anything you're asking is something that would be answered later, not now.
Not while a meteor is being dropped.
Maybe it'll make sense (as much cartoon ninja magic comics can) but it'll probably only make half sense once these revelations are given time to be explained.
I'm not asking them in hopes of a direct and clear answer right now but only:

1) For discussion's sake and 2) to reiterate how ridiculous it is in words other than "wow this is fucking ridiculous".

To be honest, I do really think some of this stuff will never be explained. Not because I don't trust Kishi to explain plot points (he did it with the crow...) but because these just seem so rushed and piled on one another that I don't know if he can reasonably pull the explanation off without everyone saying "ugh, this is stupid." So better to do it for the shock and awesome-ness factor (for people that like that) now and not worry about it later.
 
So the obvious question unasked is if Nico Robin can make a body double of herself.....*eyes glint deviously while a cackling laugh emerges*
 
Infinite Justice said:
Naruto



Actually he gave one his "eyes"/powerful chakra (Uchiha) and body/very strong will (Senju).

The sage himself had the rinnegan.



Same reason he split the Jyuubi up into nine beasts since it weakens it?

In my opinion Rinnegan = Uchiha eyes + Senju body so with that i think the powerup Kabuto give him was using some of the 1st cells or maybe he used one of those clones.

Though madara says he got it later in his life i wonder by what means.

Nope, the sage of six path elder son had a rennegan without a senju body, but am sure madra has the 1st dna like everyone does.

http://5.p.s.mfcdn.net/store/manga/8/49-462.0/compressed/mnaruto_462_sleepyfans.12.jpg

The whole tobi giving nagto the ringann makes no fuck sense like everything else in this manga, its clear kishi just making up shit as he goes along(uchiha backstory lol).

bnaruto_459_sleepyfans.11.jpg

when naruto and sasuka meet again shits going to get real
 
Sai said:
Only thing that possibly conflicts with this being Sasori; he was no longer a human puppet. It's possible that the state they're brought back in is entirely dependent on the time their genetic material is taken. This could explain how Itachi is able to seemingly see quite clearly, and not effected by any physical ailments, despite the fact that he was pretty much completely blind, and on his last legs due to some undisclosed fatal disease shortly before his death; the genetic material used for Kabuto's Edo Tensei could have been collected long before these issues were prevalent.
I always figured it largely depended on the perception of the soul had of its own ideal body before death. The art's not really recreating their bodies after all, it's giving the soul a remembered physical form.
 
Cwarrior said:
Nope, the sage of six path elder son had a rennegan without a senju body
It wasn't the Rinnegan. It's not a ripple pattern, but a more spiral-esque design.

Looks like a Rinnegan in the LQ scanslations, but it can be clearly seen in the HQ RAW mag and tank scans.
 
Dresden said:
I think it's a law that 99% of Korean comics must turn to shit after a set period of time, if they didn't start out shitty from the start.
Out of two Korean manga I read, this hypothesis holds. Time to test it out for New Waves and Freezing.
 
The scene that was cut from that chapter showed Naruto jerking it off while fantasizing about being raped by Sauce's eyes.
 
Freshmaker said:
I always figured it largely depended on the perception of the soul had of its own ideal body before death. The art's not really recreating their bodies after all, it's giving the soul a remembered physical form.
That human puppet form was the perfection of Sasori's "art", that would have been his ideal body.

So if that were the case, he would have been brought back in that state, right?
 
Stat Flow said:
I'm not asking them in hopes of a direct and clear answer right now but only:

1) For discussion's sake and 2) to reiterate how ridiculous it is in words other than "wow this is fucking ridiculous".

To be honest, I do really think some of this stuff will never be explained. Not because I don't trust Kishi to explain plot points (he did it with the crow...) but because these just seem so rushed and piled on one another that I don't know if he can reasonably pull the explanation off without everyone saying "ugh, this is stupid." So better to do it for the shock and awesome-ness factor (for people that like that) now and not worry about it later.
It's fine to speculate but to be so worked up about things that haven't been explained yet (if they will be) seems pointless to me. But you can do as you wish. If you've already decided that what's going to happen will be stupid and make no sense, then when it is revealed you're mind will already be made up.
In short: Cartoon ninja magic comics.
 
Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru

Hahaha. Everyone's reaction to "Minoru wants to fight Samart" is exactly the same as mine.

A bit fat "huuuuuuuh?".
 
survivor said:
Out of two Korean manga I read, this hypothesis holds. Time to test it out for New Waves and Freezing.
I still think you are crazy for hating the Breaker. Most action manga is terribad in comparison.
 
gunbo13 said:
I still think you are crazy for hating the Breaker. Most action manga is terribad in comparison.
Manga kinda went all over the place near the end with power levels, story and characters.

The action is still good, I'm just not satisfied with everything else.
 
Sai said:
That human puppet form was the perfection of Sasori's "art", that would have been his ideal body.

So if that were the case, he would have been brought back in that state, right?
Not necessarily. IIRC, he saw the error in his thinking right before he got died against Sakura and Chiyo.

That, and I don't think he ever really self identified as a barrel of guts. (Which was essentially his core form in the puppet.)

upandaway said:
Karate Shoukoushi Kohinata Minoru

Hahaha. Everyone's reaction to "Minoru wants to fight Samart" is exactly the same as mine.

A bit fat "huuuuuuuh?".
That didn't really surprise me. It's what a full blown karate nerd would do.

I found it disappointing that Minoru's fish faced friend didn't get signed up for the tournament. I think he would've been a dark horse after his kata sessions with that girl where she noted he was capable of reading people's moves at an incredible level.
 
Cwarrior said:
Nope, the sage of six path elder son had a rennegan without a senju body, but am sure madra hast the 1st dna like everyone does.


Actually it wasn't a rinnegan since it was more of a spiral design (hmmmmm) than the circles.
 
survivor said:
Manga kinda went all over the place near the end with power levels, story and characters.

The action is still good, I'm just not satisfied with everything else.
I can't really think of many power-up action manga that don't jump around. Well Freezing doesn't really do that but that manga has a whole other batch of issues. New Waves does settle down a bit but it won't be the same as you are already holding the original in your mind.

Do you read Until Death Do Us Part? That's one manga that doesn't jump around. Its only issue is that it sort of kind of video game levels. Instead of ongoing arcs it is more like mission1, mission2, etc... if you get what I'm saying.
 
Naruto

I really don´t find it hard to believe that Sharingan can evolve to Rinnegan. Kakashi mentioned in the Neji/Hinata fight that Sharingan is an evolved for of the Byakugan. So Rinnegan can be an evolved form for EMS + special kind of chakra body.
 
gunbo13 said:
I can't really think of many power-up action manga that don't jump around. Well Freezing doesn't really do that but that manga has a whole other batch of issues. New Waves does settle down a bit but it won't be the same as you are already holding the original in your mind.

Do you read Until Death Do Us Part? That's one manga that doesn't jump around. Its only issue is that it sort of kind of video game levels. Instead of ongoing arcs it is more like mission1, mission2, etc... if you get what I'm saying.
Never heard it, but will add it to my reading list.

lol it's called Shi ga Futari wo Wakatsu Made on MAL. Why do they keep using the weaboo names of manga?
 
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