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Mark Cerny on The Verge (GPU, elite controller, etc)
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staticneuron
Member
A split implies people getting something that some PS4 owners will not be able to get. Think of this like how some companies handle DLC. A split comes in with some people being locked out from playing with people who do have the content.
I will state this as concise as possible because this seems missed despite you quoting my post.
There are minor differences apparently between the controllers and going forward the new controllers are standard. This is more of a minor revision than a so called "elite" controller. Sony may allow the license for another company to do so, but it doesn't seem as if they feel the need to do so themselves.
Backfoggen
Banned
No, I'm not letting this one go. I'll yell at Sony to give us a proper PS4 controller till the day PS5 comes out.
Discotheque
Banned
What a stupid response
Man they're lucky they have such great games support because their hardware and features are wack.
Man they're lucky they have such great games support because their hardware and features are wack.
For multiplayer games it makes sense - same gamepad, same performance.
And yet they have no problem with third parties releasing mouse/keyboard peripherals to give players an advantage in competitive FPS games.
Different consoles, potentially twice the frame rate and/or resolution but hey... No paddles or extended battery life for that guy with an official controller (they are welcome to buy a third party one though, or a PS4 mouse and keyboard from our very website).
It doesn't make sense at all.
Why? It's the best controller ever.
Patapwn
Member
Their reason for no elite controller is contradictory to the Pro and just plain stupid. Its obviously not the real reason but im struggling to see whats really the issue... Is Sony at full capacity with RnD on the pro, VR and slim that an upgraded controller is just too much right now? Maybe theres too many PS related releases this quarter for them so they're saving it for later... Thats all i can think of unless the Elite has secretly been a huge failure for MS and Sony found out, although I was under the impression that its been a bigly success for them
It's pretty good in terms of features and design but the build quality leaves something to be desired.
No it doesn't.
Duxxy3
Member
Triggers are god awful. Unusable in driving games. Straight up bad in shooters. Awkward to use them because of the shape of the controller. Would have been better off sticking to four shoulder buttons. Have to map aim/fire to the shoulder buttons whenever I play any shooters. I could go on and on about how much I hate Sony's effort to make triggers on any of their controllers.
The shape of the analog sticks is a downgrade from convex and concave analogs. Can never get a good grip. Wears to easily. I'd rather they had stuck with the convex analogs that the dualshock 3 had.
Battery lasts a fraction of what my XB1 controller+eneloops lasts. Even the Dualshock 3 lasted longer.
Touchpad is pointless. It's just a large select button for most games.
Useless light on the top of the controller. Ok, that's nitpicking but I don't see the point in my case.
Yeah, I still don't care about an elite ps4 controller... It's a big whatever to me. I'm sure it sucks for those who would like one, but it's not like this decision is written in stone. Be patient and keep talking about a DS4 elite and who knows what may come.
Interesting remarks about the pro. So, it's two PS4s duct taped together?
sorry I didn't understand, but read a lot of "two"s.
Interesting remarks about the pro. So, it's two PS4s duct taped together?
sorry I didn't understand, but read a lot of "two"s.TimeEffect
Member
Yeah whatever. They dont want to make one but dont mind others doing it for them
I want paddles dammit
I want paddles dammit
Far from it. I have used a lot of controllers in my time and the elite controller by far the most versatile and best feeling controller ever made. If you are a multi plat gamer its hard going from that to the DS4. I've just gotten used to premium feeling sticks, nice rubberized grips, trigger locks and paddles on the back.
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But they're okay with this?
My first thought. Absolutely a bullshit answer, Cerny.
Andodalf
Banned
Everyone knew it had fp 16. I still don't believe it will be used often.
TAJ
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This is some tag-worthy shit.
They didn't know that it would be double rate FP16 that would = 8.4TF FP16 & they didn't know it would be PS4 APU+ 2nd GPU
Head.spawn
Junior Member
But they're okay with this?
You can use that for games? wut
SunDimension24
Member
Resolution can be better, framerate cannot.
Andodalf
Banned
by double GPU you just mean 2x the cores, which everyone knew. It's not two distinct GPUs like everyone thought you meant. And 4.2 FP32 is 8.4 FP16. no one ever debates that. the question is if it's useable and beneficial for games, which is still undecided. This interview suggests some uses for it, which is very interesting, we have to wait and see if any games actually use it.
Specifically to your second point, that's very unlikely to be the layout. I'd be shocked if it was a full APU with an extra GPU sitting to the side, and Cerny's own butterfly comments seem to refute that. more likely for it to be double inside a new APU layout, with new improvements and hardware accelerators by the sound of it.
Second EDIT: the more i read the smarter their use of FP16 is, not simply making use of the speed, but the size of operations.
outunderthestars
Banned
I love the PS game ecosystem, but upper management at Sony really does seem to be increasingly out of touch with their fanbase.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
I don't know which is better,and gives better results: having a whole GPU with double the CUs with higher frequency or having two of the same GPU at higher frequency.
I think Sony did this to assure gamers that the non patched PS4 games work in the same way as on the original PS4 without unwanted fluctuations (hence the downclocked speed when playing non patched games).
This is similar to what Sony did with the launch 60 GB PS3 model to which they integrated the PS2 Emotion Engine to ensure efficient retrocompatibility since emulation wasn't that great at that time.
I think Sony did this to assure gamers that the non patched PS4 games work in the same way as on the original PS4 without unwanted fluctuations (hence the downclocked speed when playing non patched games).
This is similar to what Sony did with the launch 60 GB PS3 model to which they integrated the PS2 Emotion Engine to ensure efficient retrocompatibility since emulation wasn't that great at that time.
People did not know that PS4 Pro was going to be 8.4TF FP16 & they did not know that it would be the PS4 APU + a new GPU
Mark Cerny said:
Disadvantage, I would say, because of quality peripherals.
Yep. Such a missed opportunity.
thelastword
Banned
There are two Pro like controllers coming from two companies. You may find something you like between the two. The DS4 is perfect for the majority, especially with steam support coming.
PLASTICA-MAN
Member
I know this is a case of parallel rendering but like AFR, it creates some kind of input lag and delayed pictures with multiple GPUs, that is why with DX12, it is going back to SFR since the GPUs are fast enough these days which allow for stacking up memory from all those GPUs.and rendering a single frame in faster times. (but I don't think the two PS4 PRO GPUs have their own split VRAM in order to need a method for additionning them, they have shared meory from the start)
This is why parallel rendering is worrying me.
Fox Mulder
Member
I love the elite controller. I buy all my racing games on the xb1 now, and can't see myself playing them on the dualshock with those triggers anymore.
AlexFlame116
Member
Hmm...all this talk about the Xbox Elite Controller is tempting me to buy one. Wish I could at least try it somewhere though instead of spending 150 dollars for something like that.
Speaking of which, anyone remember this thing?
Speaking of which, anyone remember this thing?
Tripolygon
Banned
Umm lmao?
PS4 Pro costs the same affordable price as a regular PS4 at launch, for twice the performance.
Elite or Pro controller which is a luxury item costs about $150 compared to $50 for standard controller.
Edit: Just to be clear, I don't buy that haves/nots reason. The likelier reason is that they don't see it as a viable strategy in their product lineup.